Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Captain Mountain]

It absolutely is cherry picking. You are ignoring how Suzuki has nearly double the amount of shots as Dach.

A top 6 player should have more than a 13 goal pace regardless of if they are passing well. You improve your shot by shooting more.

So what are you saying? Dach should be focusing on shooting on the PK? He should be shooting more on the PK instead of Suzuki and Caufield? Come on now.

 

[The Great Weal]

So what are you saying? Dach should be focusing on shooting on the PK? He should be shooting more on the PK instead of Suzuki and Caufield? Come on now.

What's your next argument? Caufield and Dach have the same amount of shots in the latter half of the 1st period meaning that if I think Dach should shoot more then Caufield should shoot more too? Come on man, he needs to shoot more which in turn improves his shot. Maybe he should not only think about passing because sooner or later other teams will catch on and make it more difficult.

 

[Captain Mountain]

What's your next argument? Caufield and Dach have the same amount of shots in the latter half of the 1st period meaning that if I think Dach should shoot more then Caufield should shoot more too? Come on man, he needs to shoot more which in turn improves his shot. Maybe he should not only think about passing because sooner or later other teams will catch on and make it more difficult.

Are you implying that 5v5 vs PK vs PP is the same thing as Periods? Really?

 

[Mudz]

What's your next argument? Caufield and Dach have the same amount of shots in the latter half of the 1st period meaning that if I think Dach should shoot more then Caufield should shoot more too? Come on man, he needs to shoot more which in turn improves his shot. Maybe he should not only think about passing because sooner or later other teams will catch on and make it more difficult.

shhh don't tell it too loud, other teams might read you and figure out Dach is pass first!

Dach will be a 20-25% goals, 80% pass and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[jrom]

This team is filled with forwards that can’t complete a play, hit the net or make a pass not in the skates but the 2 player threads that are filled with nitpickings are Slaf & Kirby.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Would you play 5 forwards on the PP ? Dach being the QB ? Caufield in ovy’s office, suzuki on the right & then I dont know who would be on the bumper spot and the other on the goal line…. I think that Dach could QB the PP until we have a D that can take over that role

I would play Harris on the PP, no I’m not joking. Kid will deliver.

 

[Andrei79]

This team is filled with forwards that can’t complete a play, hit the net or make a pass not in the skates but the 2 player threads that are filled with nitpickings are Slaf & Kirby.

And both are doing well. Dach in particular has been very, very good on the first line.

 

[MtlSars]

He's being scrutinized and held to a higher standard being 3rd overall a couple years back and being traded for Romanov (whom I absolutely adored) but to be fair he's been doing more than alright. Nevermind the kid is on pace for 65pts + but you can tell where scouts saw the potential in. He can skate, is big and wins on board and 1on1 battles and amazing hands when it comes for passing.

With Nick and Cole, their shot is such a threat it'll open the way for his (easiest shot or rebound like his 2nd goal).

 

[Andrei79]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

Is that your example ? Someone who didn't produce nearly as much as Dach with them ? Are you serious or being ironic ?

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

A fire hydrant can make passes? Kirby is the perfect compliment to that line.

Next year:

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Anderson

Possibly Mesar with Slaf and Dubois..

Man that’s a HEAVY second line

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Dach is still the best option with them and has helped them produce the most. Dach does need to shoot more though. Giving high end passes is great and all, but if he wants to be a dynamic player then he needs to shoot more.

His puck possession and vision are what really adds to this line. With two shooters already the opposition has to consider multiple threats regardless if he shoots or not

 

[JustAHabFan]

It's a legit top line, you need to keep it together. it's the rest of the lineup that needs work

Getting a good young 1st line nailed down is already a good accomplishment for the rebuild. Next is to get a good 1st pair of defensemen.

 

[malcb33]

Come on man, he needs to shoot more which in turn improves his shot.

Are you saying Dach needs to be more selfish and shoot to score more, or that to improve his shot he needs to shoot more in games?

If the latter, I'm not sure I agree. To improve your shot, it's typically done by repetition of the correct techniques. No one can shoot enough pucks in a game situation to really improve their technique, it comes from putting the time in at practice and literally shooting hundreds of pucks every day.

Maybe he should not only think about passing because sooner or later other teams will catch on and make it more difficult.

Definitely agree here. He does need to become a duel threat to become more effective and keep defenses on their toes.

 

[The Great Weal]

Are you saying Dach needs to shoot more to score more, or that to improve his shot he needs to shoot more in games?

If the latter, I'm not sure I agree. To improve your shot, it's typically done by repetition of the correct techniques. No one can shoot enough pucks in a game situation to really improve their technique, it comes from putting the time in at practice and literally shooting hundreds of pucks every day.



Definitely agree here. He does need to become a duel threat to become more effective and keep defenses on their toes.

Both can happen by shooting more. You aren't going to improve your technique when you don't shoot. Just because Suzuki/CC favor one aspect doesn't mean they aren't a threat with the other, Dach is a threat as a passer and not as a shooter.

 

[malcb33]

Both can happen by shooting more. You aren't going to improve your technique when you don't shoot. Just because Suzuki/CC favor one aspect doesn't mean they aren't a threat with the other, Dach is a threat as a passer and not as a shooter.

That didn't really cover what I was asking, but again I do agree that he would be more effective if his shot was better. No argument there

 

[the]

Kirby reminds Michou of Galchenyuk where he feels he’s much more comfortable as a Winger instead of playing Center.

Dach: des ressemblances évidentes avec Galchenyuk - TVA Sports

Michel Therrien fait des parallèles entre les deux joueurs dans sa chronique hebdomadaire à l’émission «JiC», lundi.

www.tvasports.ca

 

[themilosh]

This team is filled with forwards that can’t complete a play, hit the net or make a pass not in the skates but the 2 player threads that are filled with nitpickings are Slaf & Kirby.

Ask MB, he built this crew and added the FAs

Kirby reminds Michou of Galchenyuk where he feels he’s much more comfortable as a Winger instead of playing Center.

Dach: des ressemblances évidentes avec Galchenyuk - TVA Sports

Michel Therrien fait des parallèles entre les deux joueurs dans sa chronique hebdomadaire à l’émission «JiC», lundi.

www.tvasports.ca

then keep Kirby far away from C - since toenails is basically saying that Kirby is going to be useless.

 

[Andrei79]

Kirby reminds Michou of Galchenyuk where he feels he’s much more comfortable as a Winger instead of playing Center.

Dach: des ressemblances évidentes avec Galchenyuk - TVA Sports

Michel Therrien fait des parallèles entre les deux joueurs dans sa chronique hebdomadaire à l’émission «JiC», lundi.

www.tvasports.ca

«On a repêché Galcheyuk en tant que joueur de centre, mais il n’a jamais été capable de prendre son envol au centre, a poursuivi Therrien. Quand je le mettais au centre, il se retrouvait dans une position où il était dépersonnalisé, il ne jouait pas le même hockey, il était sur les talons. Par contre, quand je le mettais à l’aile, je le sentais beaucoup plus lousse. On voyait une belle progression à ses débuts avec les Canadiens. Il a même marqué 30 buts. Je revois le même pattern avec Dach. Je sens Dach beaucoup plus confortable à l’aile.»

Can someone tell this idiot Galchy scored most of those 30 goals at center ? He's legitimately one of the dumbest coaches this team has ever had.

 

[26Mats]

Kirby reminds Michou of Galchenyuk where he feels he’s much more comfortable as a Winger instead of playing Center.

Dach: des ressemblances évidentes avec Galchenyuk - TVA Sports

Michel Therrien fait des parallèles entre les deux joueurs dans sa chronique hebdomadaire à l’émission «JiC», lundi.

www.tvasports.ca

Dach is more of a playmaker than Galchenyuk ever was. He sees the ice well and skates the puck up the ice well. Those characteristics would indicate Dach can play center. So even if he's not as comfortable at 21 playing center, doesn't mean he won't be in the future. But if he keeps playing like this with Nick and Cole, he can stay a winger for the next 15 years...

 

[MisterY]

Can someone tell this idiot Galchy scored most of those 30 goals at center ? He's legitimately one of the dumbest coaches this team has ever had.

No, Plekanec was the center of Galchenyuk for most of that year. The other center was Desharnais.

I’m not a fan of Michel Therrien, but the hate on him on this board is exagerated.

 

[Andrei79]

No, Plekanec was the center of Galchenyuk for most of that year. The other center was Desharnais.

I’m not a fan of Michel Therrien, but the hate on him on this board is exagerated.

You're completely wrong.

We basically have this debate around here every year or so.

Galchenyuk played the first 44 games at center and the last 17 I.e. he played most of the season at center. Eller was put on the wing early in the season. He scored 22 of his 30 goals as a center, with 11 coming in his last 17 while he was a center.

Therrien is an idiot. He's a classic narcissist that will warp reality to suit his agenda and make himself look better. He took credit for putting Galchy at center at the "right time" and now takes credit for Galchy's most productive season, falsely saying it happened on the wing. In reality, Galchenyuk had a long unproductive stretch on the wing that year right after the switch and his underlying numbers tanked. What a moron.

 

[Mrb1p]

«On a repêché Galcheyuk en tant que joueur de centre, mais il n’a jamais été capable de prendre son envol au centre, a poursuivi Therrien. Quand je le mettais au centre, il se retrouvait dans une position où il était dépersonnalisé, il ne jouait pas le même hockey, il était sur les talons. Par contre, quand je le mettais à l’aile, je le sentais beaucoup plus lousse. On voyait une belle progression à ses débuts avec les Canadiens. Il a même marqué 30 buts. Je revois le même pattern avec Dach. Je sens Dach beaucoup plus confortable à l’aile.»

Can someone tell this idiot Galchy scored most of those 30 goals at center ? He's legitimately one of the dumbest coaches this team has ever had.

And can someone tell him that having your coach not trust you as a C probably doesnt help you play a confident game... What a loser.

 

[Andrei79]

And can someone tell him that having your coach not trust you as a C probably doesnt help you play a confident game... What a loser.

I wish virtual reality really existed just so I could design an avatar of him and punch him square in the face every night before I go to sleep, then kick Bergevin in the balls.

Yeah, that might sound extreme, but it's really quite tame . Putting those bozos in charge was like having Michael Jackson as your kids nanny.

And yes, I'm kidding, I'm happy and content that he's only on TV which I can usually ignore. But saying this shit is as therapeutic to me as distorting reality to preserve his ego is to Therrien.

 

[Scriptor]

You must read not very good literally. As not followed by "very good" (the very is important and must not be ignored). He is a mediocre offensive top 6 player (again literally). He finished 199th in the league last year for points per games among forwards who played more than 40 games. That means on average teams had 6.2 players with a better points per games average than him. He would be a terrific 3rd line player if we had a real 2nd line.

That will come. I'm counting on HuGp to pull that off in rather short order, actually (2 to 3 years, tops).

And can someone tell him that having your coach not trust you as a C probably doesnt help you play a confident game... What a loser.

It's fair not to like Therrien and to consider him not so great a coach, but let's not kid ourselves about Galchenyuk's hockey IQ which was in the negatives.

He scored 30 in a wasted season where he and Pacioretty just tried to pad their stats offensively as they ended the season.

Despite the point production, they gave more goals to opponents than they produced and the team was always on losing streaks.

You can't separate one thing from the other.

 

[Mrb1p]

That will come. I'm counting on HuGp to pull that off in rather short order, actually (2 to 3 years, tops).


It's fair not to like Therrien and to consider him not so great a coach, but let's not kid ourselves about Galchenyuk's hockey IQ which was in the negatives.

He scored 30 in a wasted season where he and Pacioretty just tried to pad their stats offensively as they ended the season.

Despite the point production, they gave more goals to opponents than they produced and the team was always on losing streaks.

You can't separate one thing from the other.

Does Caufield have negative IQ? Does Nick? Because they give more goals than they score too.