Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[River Meadow]

Well this will quiet down a few people

Which body part is it?

 

[SlafySZN]

Which body part is it?

Hip apparently

 

[River Meadow]

Hip apparently

Oh boy.......

 

[ahmedou]

 

[BaseballCoach]

Faceoffs are the least important factor in his game. I’m just not a fan of his game at all. He’s playing well, it’s just whatever, I’m not a fan. Felt the same way with patio ready. Good stats and shit, but meh for me to watch.

I guess it is subjective, but I like Dach.

In the end, of course, who cares what I like?

What I find is that Dach brings what we hoped Kotkaniemi was going to bring. He controls the puck, he comes back to help the defence, and he wins board battles.

Imagine if Dach would not be re-drafted third, what rank should Kotkaniemi really have been?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Watching him on the PP makes me wish we still had a Kovalev, Cammalleri or even a not washed up Hoffman. He is so good at finding open guys on the opposite half boards, it is too bad we don't have a left handed shot to take advantage of that.

 

[Mrb1p]

I guess it is subjective, but I like Dach.

In the end, of course, who cares what I like?

What I find is that Dach brings what we hoped Kotkaniemi was going to bring. He controls the puck, he comes back to help the defence, and he wins board battles.

Imagine if Dach would not be re-drafted third, what rank should Kotkaniemi really have been?

At worse, like 6th as of today and thats him showing basically nothing.

 

[26Mats]

Watching him on the PP makes me wish we still had a Kovalev, Cammalleri or even a not washed up Hoffman. He is so good at finding open guys on the opposite half boards, it is too bad we don't have a left handed shot to take advantage of that.

hmmm if only we had a left hand shot with a good shot. Too bad we didn't use the 1st overall pick on such a player.

At any rate, with Dach's zone entries, he might have to be on the 1st unit, perhaps at the point, the front of the net or the high slot, because Suzuki and Caufield seem to have the half wall spots locked down. Imagine we already iced the following 5 man unit on the pp:

Dach
Caufield Slaf Suzuki
Guhle

The future is now! (though I like Monahan on the 1st unit)

 

[417]

My preference is still to keep Dach at C...but i'm not gonna lie, i'm curious to see what he could potentially do with Caufield & Suzuki.

 

[Habs Halifax]

My preference is still to keep Dach at C...but i'm not gonna lie, i'm curious to see what he could potentially do with Caufield & Suzuki.

If we are lucky and get Bedard, we can easily move Dach to wing and he would be happy about it cause he's either playing with Suzuki or Bedard.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If we are lucky and get Bedard, we can easily move Dach to wing and he would be happy about it cause he's either playing with Suzuki or Bedard.

Bedard would move to wing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Bedard would move to wing.

That could work too! Doubt Bedard gets moved to wing though but I see what you see.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That could work too! Doubt Bedard gets moved to wing though but I see what you see.

His size down the middle and shoot first mentality means a move to wing is fine for him. If we didn't have other viable options at center, he can obviously play there cause he's so f***ing good.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Bedard would move to wing.

Not allowed. This happened with Galchenyuk. We can't play Bedard on wing or we would be doing the same thing as the last 29 years.....etc.......

My preference is still to keep Dach at C...but i'm not gonna lie, i'm curious to see what he could potentially do with Caufield & Suzuki.

Monahan is fine, now if they would just play them on the proper sides in their own zone so that we can tilt the ice our way.

 

[Sagikev]

Well this will quiet down a few people

Wow that sucks for Nazar...

 

[Vachon23]

Bedard would move to wing.

Happy to see that I'm not the only one who would do that. I'm sure Bedard would be as dominant as a winger that he would be as a center and we saw him many times on the wing with Team Canada

 

[Colezuki]

His size down the middle and shoot first mentality means a move to wing is fine for him. If we didn't have other viable options at center, he can obviously play there cause he's so f***ing good.

Ferraro once said on TSN 690 (in regards to drouin) that past first wingers dont work as well in the NHL these days due to the puck carrying nature of the center. Since I heard that I can't unhear it and truly believe that all wingers should have a shoot first mentality

 

[Vachon23]

Ferraro once said on TSN 690 (in regards to drouin) that past first wingers dont work as well in the NHL these days due to the puck carrying nature of the center. Since I heard that I can't unhear it and truly believe that all wingers should have a shoot first mentality

Not sure I agree with Ferraro on that one, guys like Huberdeau/Marner/Gaudreau/Panarin/Kane have still a lot of success and they are pass first winger.

The problem with Drouin, is that the shooting option is just not an option anymore with him.

 

[Colezuki]

Not sure I agree with Ferraro on that one, guys like Huberdeau/Marner/Gaudreau/Panarin/Kane have still a lot of success and they are pass first winger.

The problem with Drouin, is that the shooting option is just not an option anymore with him.

FWIW it sounded more general then an always and of the guys you mentioned they all have scoring in their bag of tricks

Last year
Huberdeau 30 goals
Marner - 35 goals
Gaudreau - 40 goals

Kane and Panarin we're both 30-40 goal guys historically but last year being an outlier

It was more in reference to you dont generally have a pass first winger being succesful ala getzlaf who only had 5 seasons with more then 20 goals

 

[417]

FWIW it sounded more general then an always and of the guys you mentioned they all have scoring in their bag of tricks

Last year
Huberdeau 30 goals
Marner - 35 goals
Gaudreau - 40 goals

Kane and Panarin we're both 30-40 goal guys historically but last year being an outlier

It was more in reference to you dont generally have a pass first winger being succesful ala getzlaf who only had 5 seasons with more then 20 goals

part of what makes these pass first wingers so dangerous is their ability to score also has to be respected just as much.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ferraro once said on TSN 690 (in regards to drouin) that past first wingers dont work as well in the NHL these days due to the puck carrying nature of the center. Since I heard that I can't unhear it and truly believe that all wingers should have a shoot first mentality

You can have pass first wingers from the wing but it usually works with a goal scoring center. So if we took Dvorsky, for example, a playmaking winger like Sean Farrell will work great cause he can carry the puck, gain the zone, and function as a de-facto center from the offensive sense.

Drouin's problem, among others, is he's a pass only winger.

 

[26Mats]

Ferraro once said on TSN 690 (in regards to drouin) that past first wingers dont work as well in the NHL these days due to the puck carrying nature of the center. Since I heard that I can't unhear it and truly believe that all wingers should have a shoot first mentality

Gaudreau and Monahan worked well.

Radulov was great before father time claimed him. Blake Wheeler too...

There are others I'm not thinking of...

 

[Sorinth]

FWIW it sounded more general then an always and of the guys you mentioned they all have scoring in their bag of tricks

Last year
Huberdeau 30 goals
Marner - 35 goals
Gaudreau - 40 goals

Kane and Panarin we're both 30-40 goal guys historically but last year being an outlier

It was more in reference to you dont generally have a pass first winger being succesful ala getzlaf who only had 5 seasons with more then 20 goals

But you can say the same thing about centers, most top producing centers are also scoring 30+ goals. Guys like Getzlaf or Thornton are also outliers, when we are talking about ppg players there just aren't very many who don't have also score at a 30 goal pace.

 

[Rob Sense]

But you can say the same thing about centers, most top producing centers are also scoring 30+ goals. Guys like Getzlaf or Thornton are also outliers, when we are talking about ppg players there just aren't very many who don't have also score at a 30 goal pace.

he only needs 29 goals in 78 games

 

[River Meadow]

hmmm if only we had a left hand shot with a good shot. Too bad we didn't use the 1st overall pick on such a player.

Shots fired.