Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Mrb1p]

Dach is a floater baby

Really at this point I doubt he ever figures it out to he thay 1C. Hes not intense. Sux.

 

[Habs Halifax]

All the tools are there, but it looks like he still needs quite a bit of development. I can see why hawks fans were frustrated.

Not sure exactly what’s missing.

What's missing is drive and determination to be better and better game after game. Not like this is a glaring red flag but if he is going to turn into the guy we thought he would be when drafted, it takes a lot of will power to develop into a top end player. Obsession to improve is a huge part of development. Hard to project forward

I like what I see so far. Did I watch him last season with the Hawks that closely? No so I'm not sure if he took a step forward this season yet. It's early so lets see how it plays out.

He's got good puck managing skills. Habs need to improve our wingers IMO.

Dach is a floater baby

Really at this point I doubt he ever figures it out to he thay 1C. Hes not intense. Sux.

I just said something along those lines. Intensity is a good word too. He's got the skating/size/skill/vision but does he have the drive and determination to be one of the best or a top line player? Time will tell but trends indicate he is a 2nd line center at best.

I still have faith. Lets see how he looks after one full season with the Habs. Possible he improves as the season moves along

 

[JoelWarlord]

Why are people being doomers that a 21 year old playmaking C isn't blowing the doors off with Anderson and Drouin?

 

[Mrb1p]

Why are people being doomers that a 21 year old playmaking C isn't blowing the doors off with Anderson and Drouin?

Because Drouin, of all people, looks more intense than him

 

[Redux91]

Why are people being doomers that a 21 year old playmaking C isn't blowing the doors off with Anderson and Drouin?

It's always the same people lol
It gets old fast

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why are people being doomers that a 21 year old playmaking C isn't blowing the doors off with Anderson and Drouin?

I'm an Anderson fan but I also have said a few posts ago that the Habs need to improve our wingers. So yeah, Dach is not McDavid and he's not going to carry his line at age 21. More patience is required but what we wanted to see is bust out evidence. Don't appear to be in the cards at this point.

It's always the same people lol
It gets old fast

It's OK to provide context but at least be constructive about it. Otherwise it's just constant whining about player struggles.

Is there a who whines the most or I told you so award? Seems like it to some posters.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I'm an Anderson fan but I also have said a few posts ago that the Habs need to improve our wingers. So yeah, Dach is not McDavid and he's not going to carry his line at age 21. More patience is required but what we wanted to see is bust out evidence. Don't appear to be in the cards at this point.

I think Anderson is fine but I think the chemistry on that line is awful, they're just oil and water.

 

[Mrb1p]

It's always the same people lol
It gets old fast

And what do some contribute aside from the good ol' poster call out? Lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think Anderson is fine but I think the chemistry on that line is awful, they're just oil and water.

Anderson belongs with a north/south type center. I value his game but I think your right... I don't see much chemistry with Dach.

Best results we seen from Anderson is with Suzuki/Caufield IMO. I also like Armia with them so not sure what we do when we are more healthy.

And what do some contribute aside from the good ol' poster call out? Lol.

Maybe (just maybe), it creates a different culture with more constructive criticism. It can't be all positive or negative. Both sides have to balance the pros and cons better.

 

[Redux91]

And what do some contribute aside from the good ol' poster call out? Lol.

Lmao awwww I'm sorry did someone feel especially targeted and offended?
That's on you champ, Lol.
Nice defense mechanism tho

 

[FerrisRox]

Why are people being doomers that a 21 year old playmaking C isn't blowing the doors off with Anderson and Drouin?

You need to understand a really strange dynamic that plays out here, and has played out here for several years now.

There is a contingent of "fans" here who like to pretend they are really well versed in the league and they are very eager to share their thoughts and opinions on players, usually after a transaction has been made but they never seem to care if they actually know what they are talking about.

They weight in, authoritatively, on a player despite not knowing much or in some cases anything at all about the player.

Once they have shared that opinion - and let's remember, it's often not based on anything at all, usually just a cursory glance at the players hockeydb page - they will not change that opinion no matter what happens.

They would rather be "right" about what they said then have the team succeed.

All kinds of bozos who knew precious little about Kirby Dach at the time he was acquired were quick to the hit the message board to tell everyone how bad the trade was. Now, no matter what Dach does, those same people will continue to tell you had bad he is by grossly exaggerating any shortcomings and largely ignoring any positives.

This nonsense has plagued this place for about ten years now and it's getting worse, not better.

 

[Wats]

Feel like they should give him Caufield/Monahan and see what happens. Suzuki can boost Dvo/Anderson's value hopefully

Dvorak - Suzuki - Anderson : Suzuki played with Anderson, hopefully Dvorak can get some points.
Monahan - Dach - Caufield : this is to develop Dach, Monahan helps with faceoffs when needed. Caufield better finisher for Dach
Drouin - Evans - Gallagher : tank line, this time we can maybe protect Dvorak's value.
Hoffman - Pitlick - Dadonov/Armia : tank line, it's going to suck

 

[Sagikev]

Feel like they should give him Caufield/Monahan and see what happens. Suzuki can boost Dvo/Anderson's value hopefully

Dvorak - Suzuki - Anderson
Monahan - Dach - Caufield
Drouin - Evans - Gallagher
Hoffman - Pitlick - Dadonov

I'd move Monahan, but I'd keep Suzuki with Caufield. They're the only forwards scoring with consistency lol. Honestly Monahan - Dach - Andy could work maybe. Even then... I just feel like Anderson is useless on the cycle. Actually he doesn't do much if it's not a rush...

 

[Wats]

I'd move Monahan, but I'd keep Suzuki with Caufield. They're the only forwards scoring with consistency lol. Honestly Monahan - Dach - Andy could work maybe. Even then... I just feel like Anderson is useless on the cycle. Actually he doesn't do much if it's not a rush...

I'd agree but I also want to know if Caufield can score without Suzuki holding his hand. Especially since he'll be looking to get big $$$ next year. We already know Suzuki can be good without Caufield, not sure if vice versa is true. If it is, we got ourselves a legit star deserving of that $$$. If he fades, maybe he's not that good yet.

 

[Mrb1p]

Anderson belongs with a north/south type center. I value his game but I think your right... I don't see much chemistry with Dach.

Best results we seen from Anderson is with Suzuki/Caufield IMO. I also like Armia with them so not sure what we do when we are more healthy.



Maybe (just maybe), it creates a different culture with more constructive criticism. It can't be all positive or negative. Both sides have to balance the pros and cons better.

The attitude has been really weird ever since Hugo was hired.

Its like 2012 all over again where the GM can do no wrong and every move is "Wait and see".

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The attitude has been really weird ever since Hugo was hired.

Its like 2012 all over again where the GM can do no wrong and every move is "Wait and see".

New GM. Of course it's going to be 'wait and see'... it's too soon to know how good he's going to be.

So far, I'd say I like the general way he's run the team. If nothing else, he's far more transparent in what he's doing and that was badly needed. Even if he's an average GM we're way ahead in the game.

He WILL make some mistakes. He may already have done so. But let's give it a chance to see where this goes. I like the overall philosophy of bringing in young players with talent. Not all will pan out but hopefully some will. And at the end of the day, that's the template to follow for a rebuild strategy.

 

[Mrb1p]

New GM. Of course it's going to be 'wait and see'... it's too soon to know how good he's going to be.

So far, I'd say I like the general way he's run the team. If nothing else, he's far more transparent in what he's doing and that was badly needed. Even if he's an average GM we're way ahead in the game.

He WILL make some mistakes. He may already have done so. But let's give it a chance to see where this goes. I like the overall philosophy of bringing in young players with talent. Not all will pan out but hopefully some will. And at the end of the day, that's the template to follow for a rebuild strategy.

Yes, its true.

But this attitude is transfered to day to day evaluation too, lol. Dach was floating all game yesterday, was he not? Somehow youre a hater for bringing it up.

Slaf isnt ready for the NHL, we see this before our eyes, somehow you're a hater for bringing it up.

And on and on.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yes, its true.

But this attitude is transfered to day to day evaluation too, lol. Dach was floating all game yesterday, was he not? Somehow youre a hater for bringing it up.

Slaf isnt ready for the NHL, we see this before our eyes, somehow you're a hater for bringing it up.

And on and on.

Depends on the tone the comments are made and the context in which it's put. I mean, Slaf probably should be in the minors. I said as much at the start. But some people will write him off from the start no matter what.

It's all in how the comments are made. If it's: "this guy could use some seasoning in the minors..." then I agree. If it's: "this guy sucks, is a floater and is a bust..." then I don't have time for that.

As for Dach... we got him cheap. He's playing as a 2nd liner with wingers who aren't great. It's very early and my hope is that MSL can weave some magic for him. If not... oh well. It was worth the risk. I'm fine in gambling on good young talent. It won't always work but if it does, you'll get a huge steal. Besides, Dach isn't hurting us right now. We're rebuilding anyway. It's the perfect time to try these kinds of experiments.

 

[ReHabs]

New GM. Of course it's going to be 'wait and see'... it's too soon to know how good he's going to be.

So far, I'd say I like the general way he's run the team. If nothing else, he's far more transparent in what he's doing and that was badly needed. Even if he's an average GM we're way ahead in the game.

He WILL make some mistakes. He may already have done so. But let's give it a chance to see where this goes. I like the overall philosophy of bringing in young players with talent. Not all will pan out but hopefully some will. And at the end of the day, that's the template to follow for a rebuild strategy.

I think his two biggest swings were on Dach and Slafkovsky.

It’s perfectly fine to be pessimistic about both moves until proven otherwise, it’s not like either Dach or Slaf has blown the doors off and the critics/pessimists are irrationally whining…

It’s also fine to be optimistic about both moves and both players, but there’s no need to get mad at fans who aren’t immediately enamoured. Let Hughes, Gorton, Slaf, and Dach earn the support of the fans. There’s nothing wrong with that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The attitude has been really weird ever since Hugo was hired.

Its like 2012 all over again where the GM can do no wrong and every move is "Wait and see".

That's fair to some degree. I do respect your approach of not being afraid to go against the grain and you don't care about the popular bandwagon.

Hughes is off to a good start. Lots of work left. I'm just glad that we are in a new direction. Bergevin was so unpopular that is was a distraction IMO.

 

[Paddy17]

I think Anderson is fine but I think the chemistry on that line is awful, they're just oil and water.

Anderson might fit better with guys like Evans and Pitlick, who play the same pedal-to-the-metal north-south game.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anderson might fit better with guys like Evans and Pitlick, who play the same pedal-to-the-metal north-south game.

Not sure. Anderson seems to fade away even more when he plays bottom 6. Difficult one to peg into a good spot for his type of game IMO.

He's just not consistent and he's not a perfect power forward type. Still has more value than most will admit but I do think we have issues with trying to find the best spot for him.

 

[Vachon23]

Give him at least Monahan

 

[Habs Halifax]

Give him at least Monahan

I'm hoping when Armia is healthy, he plays with Suzuki/Caufield. They tried it a bit in pre season. Armia looks better when he plays top 6.

Move Monahan with Dach. They know each other well and I think they work very hard for each other on the ice. Better energy. I thought this this summer after the trade and still think we should do this.

I wonder how much tinkering we should do? I don't see too much chemistry other than Suzuki/Caufield with our forward group.

 

[Tyson]

Kirby Dach is a great piece for the rebuild and he really needs better players to play with.
To me I think Anderson and Slaf with Dach could become a great line. Alot of beef, skill and skating.