Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Mrb1p]

"Showed another meh game to my eye though" for starters...

What has he been to you? What level of play has he displayed? 1st line? 2nd line? 3rd line? Borderline 3rd line? 4th line?

 

[Habssince89]

I think Dach is going to develop nicely under MSL. I think MSL will focus on him using his body to protect the puck and positioning, and Dach won't be pressured into becoming a hard-nosed hitter, which he isn't. Dach is similar to Armia IMO, or at least draft-year Armia. Dach doesn't have to take people's heads off if he's scoring points and possessing the puck. Let's also remember that he's 21(?) so maybe by 24-25 he's going to have some more strength and physicality to his game. He's not KK in terms of balance thankfully lol

 

[Redux91]

Faceoffs are the least important factor in his game. I’m just not a fan of his game at all. He’s playing well, it’s just whatever, I’m not a fan. Felt the same way with patio ready. Good stats and shit, but meh for me to watch.

Its OK, you stunk at evaluating Guhle also
Keep swinging.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Dach's reach is crazy. He really is very, very tall.

He's a good player but I will say, I would be shocked if he ever became a #1 center. Hope he proves me wrong big time.

 

[Redux91]

Dach's reach is crazy. He really is very, very tall.

He's a good player but I will say, I would be shocked if he ever became a #1 center. Hope he proves me wrong big time.

That's the BEST part about him lol
Chicago needed him to become #1C eventually
WE don't lol

He either claims 2C eventually, or maybe someone like Beck comes around and both he and Dach become hybrid 2/3C's depending on matchups and scenarios

Or they sign Monahan too lol etc, etc,

These are good "problems" to have

Our actual 1C has 5 pts in 4 games btw.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach's reach is crazy. He really is very, very tall.

He's a good player but I will say, I would be shocked if he ever became a #1 center. Hope he proves me wrong big time.

Maybe not a bonafide #1 but with his two-way play, and transition play, and when he’ll find a way to convert it in points, he could become a legit 1B

 

[BenchBrawl]

That's the BEST part about him lol
Chicago needed him to become #1C eventually
WE don't lol

He either claims 2C eventually, or maybe someone like Beck comes around and both he and Dach become hybrid 2/3C's depending on matchups and scenarios

Or they sign Monahan too lol etc, etc,

These are good "problems" to have

Our actual 1C has 5 pts in 4 games btw.

We don't need him to become that because we'll draft a probable superstar #1 center in the 2023 draft. But otherwise, Suzuki alone at #1 center doesn't satisfy me on a top contender.

Maybe not a bonafide #1 but with his two-way play, and transition play, and when he’ll find a way to convert it in points, he could become a legit 1B

I wouldn't bet the house on that. Nothing I see in his game hints at this except his size. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Andy]

Dach's reach is crazy. He really is very, very tall.

He's a good player but I will say, I would be shocked if he ever became a #1 center. Hope he proves me wrong big time.

I don't think there is #1 c potential either. Good possibility of #2. The skill is there. Strong possibility he ends up a tweener between #2 and #3.

Still very young though and a lot of room to grow

 

[Mrb1p]

Maybe not a bonafide #1 but with his two-way play, and transition play, and when he’ll find a way to convert it in points, he could become a legit 1B

He could become a top 10 C, not only a 1B.

He needs to make stride and show what his skill set can actually get him. Sometimes hes content with the Shane Wright way, he could be a lot more with coaching.

 

[SlafySZN]

We don't need him to become that because we'll draft a probable superstar #1 center in the 2023 draft. But otherwise, Suzuki alone at #1 center doesn't satisfy me on a top contender.



I wouldn't bet the house on that. Nothing I see in his game hints at this except his size. Hope I'm wrong.

I mean i think he could, he is very young still, but like you said we don’t need him to become that either anyway. The habs drafting an elite #1 C next summer will be a huge thing for the organisation.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He could become a top 10 C, not only a 1B.

He needs to make stride and show what his skill set can actually get him. Sometimes hes content with the Shane Wright way, he could be a lot more with coaching.

Top 10 C? The amount of things that would have to go right for this to happen are astronomical. Slafkovsky has a better chance to become the best winger in the game than Dach has to become a Top 10 C in the league.

 

[Mrb1p]

Top 10 C? The amount of things that would have to go right for this to happen are astronomical. Slafkovsky has a better chance to become the best winger in the game than Dach has to become a Top 10 C in the league.

I disagree.

Dach has an unique combination of size, vision and stickhandling that very few players have in the league. Ive been following him for the past 4 years now, theres a few things keeping him from that ceiling.

1. His shot, with that said, weve seen players like Getzlaf, Backstrom, Thornton and Spezza dominate without a sniper like shot.
2. His willingness to be the guy. He moves the puck too fast. When he holds onto it, hes actually amazing.
3. His inside game. That is almost 100% on willingness. He defers to others and to the perimeter way too much.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I disagree.

Dach has an unique combination of size, vision and stickhandling that very few players have in the league. Ive been following him for the past 4 years now, theres a few things keeping him from that ceiling.

1. His shot, with that said, weve seen players like Getzlaf, Backstrom, Thornton and Spezza dominate without a sniper like shot.
2. His willingness to be the guy. He moves the puck too fast. When he holds onto it, hes actually amazing.
3. His inside game. That is almost 100% on willingness. He defers to others and to the perimeter way too much.

1. Getzlaf has a great shot, just doesn't use it too often. Getzlaf is also very physical. Backstrom, Thornton and Spezza were Top 5 playmakers of their era. I don't see the elite vision in Dach just yet. Maybe it's there, but I haven't seen it. Certainly not comparable to these guys, including Getzlaf.
2. Right. This looks like the biggest problem. But it's not an easy problem to fix .
3. Again the willingness. Same as #2.

I wish him the best obviously, I don't hate him, and I was OK with the trade. Still am. But I'm not excited just yet.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Faceoffs are the least important factor in his game. I’m just not a fan of his game at all. He’s playing well, it’s just whatever, I’m not a fan. Felt the same way with patio ready. Good stats and shit, but meh for me to watch.

He's playing well and he has good stats and shit, but you're not a fan?

The kid has been fantastic. Can't believe we turned Romanov into him, talk about wizardry

 

[japhi]

Feel like I have to keep saying this, but the difference between a #2C and #3C is little to nothing on a good team. Teams roll their top 9, they play similar ES minutes,

If Dach can develop into 45-60 point defensively responsible, 17mins a night C it doesn't matter what # we assign him. As others have pointed out we have our #1 locked up long term and we need two quality players behind him, with a defensive specialist in the last slot.

Early indications, he is clearly a top 9 C. Hard to believe with his pedigree, and what we've seen over the first few games, that he doesn't have 50+ points in him. Probably not this year - he is still 21 - but kid has tons of time and room to grow into his role.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Well this will quiet down a few people

 

[Mrb1p]

Well this will quiet down a few people

Should it? We must assume that we had all informations on draft day?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Should it? We must assume that we had all informations on draft day?

Why does that matter? We know now that Nazar will miss a full development year due to injury. The Nazar cult will have nothing to talk about for a year, hence they will be quieter. It will also probably change the mind of some people on wanting Nazar since losing a full year is pretty bad development wise.

 

[GrandBison]

Why does that matter? We know now that Nazar will miss a full development year due to injury. The Nazar cult will have nothing to talk about for a year, hence they will be quieter. It will also probably change the mind of some people on wanting Nazar since losing a full year is pretty bad development wise.

Maybe Hughes will acquire him in 2024 with CGY pick

 

[Habs13]

I disagree.

Dach has an unique combination of size, vision and stickhandling that very few players have in the league. Ive been following him for the past 4 years now, theres a few things keeping him from that ceiling.

1. His shot, with that said, weve seen players like Getzlaf, Backstrom, Thornton and Spezza dominate without a sniper like shot.
2. His willingness to be the guy. He moves the puck too fast. When he holds onto it, hes actually amazing.
3. His inside game. That is almost 100% on willingness. He defers to others and to the perimeter way too much.

2 and 3 sound like confidence issues, maybe from not being what the Hawks wanted him to be. That can be fixed. The shot, well, not as much - but he is a good passer so he can be a playmaking center

 

[Andy]

Feel like I have to keep saying this, but the difference between a #2C and #3C is little to nothing on a good team. Teams roll their top 9, they play similar ES minutes,

If Dach can develop into 45-60 point defensively responsible, 17mins a night C it doesn't matter what # we assign him. As others have pointed out we have our #1 locked up long term and we need two quality players behind him, with a defensive specialist in the last slot.

Early indications, he is clearly a top 9 C. Hard to believe with his pedigree, and what we've seen over the first few games, that he doesn't have 50+ points in him. Probably not this year - he is still 21 - but kid has tons of time and room to grow into his role.

Fairest assessment I’ve read since the trade

 

[Runner77]

Fairest assessment I’ve read since the trade

Maybe you should get out more.

 

[nhlfan9191]

2 and 3 sound like confidence issues, maybe from not being what the Hawks wanted him to be. That can be fixed. The shot, well, not as much - but he is a good passer so he can be a playmaking center

The goal he scored last night may have been 4 on 3, but that’s the way he’s going to score the majority of his goals at even strength as well. He’s great at finding lanes big guys typically can’t for a tap in. He just needs to find a way to do it at the NHL level and we also need guys who can get him the puck.

 

[bcv]

I disagree.

Dach has an unique combination of size, vision and stickhandling that very few players have in the league. Ive been following him for the past 4 years now, theres a few things keeping him from that ceiling.

1. His shot, with that said, weve seen players like Getzlaf, Backstrom, Thornton and Spezza dominate without a sniper like shot.
2. His willingness to be the guy. He moves the puck too fast. When he holds onto it, hes actually amazing.
3. His inside game. That is almost 100% on willingness. He defers to others and to the perimeter way too much.

How was point 2 and 3 when he was in juniors? Is this something new or something that was always kinda there.

 

[Mrb1p]

How was point 2 and 3 when he was in juniors? Is this something new or something that was always kinda there.

Thats a good question actually.

Point 2, absolutely not. Its probably part confidence and part system/pro play. He was dynamic in the same way a guy like Leo Carlsson is. He was the man in Saskatoon.

Point 3, I had him outside my top 7 because or it for most of the year. In the playoffs though? He showed he could take abuse, he showed a willingness to move to the middle, he showed a willingness to squeeze the board offensively, etc. Maybe hes just soft, if thats what it is, his ceiling is RyJo, its not bad for a 2nd round pick value (Romanov).