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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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Kirby looked really good before he got injured. He looked better than Suzuki imo. Hopefully he can continue his good play, there’s still a lot of room for his game to grow.
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I agree.

He is also two years younger.

In my opinion, Dach holds the key to our future success. He is already a nice 2C. But he is, in my opinion, the best bet to reach star-level which we critically need.
 
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JoelWarlord said:
I never offered an evaluation other than calling him our biggest success story of the year, and I fully agree he's not proven he's a 1C yet.

I just find this constant hedging and triangulating to avoid being a homer really tiring. He had an unequivocally good season but one guy said "incredible" so now we've gotta poke holes in his game for some reason when everyone already agrees he hasn't proven he's a 1st liner/star yet.
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I was just pushing back on incredible because it's not incredible, and when we don't speak the truth collectively, it gets in the media, the media gets to the team etc. it's a vicious cycle of low expectations. We want a winning team in the 2020s, and this means we'll need a 100 pts guy (or 2?). I'm not poking holes in his game, I've been following Dach since he's 15! - but let's reserve words for their meaningful usage vs. their superlative usages.

I agree he can be better than Suzuki, we need him to be. He's been better in sequences during this season, I hope the confidence builds up and he gets there. We'll need to surround him with other good players.
 
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Redux91 said:
S'ok
It's always the same usual suspects lol
The ol misery brigade
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I'm far from the misery brigade. I feel we are mostly going in the right direction. If they progress a bit more, Dach and Guhle would be our fourth and fifth strong players, in that order (I think we need about 11 in total, or 9 + a megastar). To be there Dach would have to score at a higher rate than 0.65 ppg but I think he will. And Guhle will need to improve his defensive zone coverage. But if we are counting who we have more or less already versus who we still have to get or develop, I'm fine to say we can count five.
 
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SOLR said:
I was just pushing back on incredible because it's not incredible, and when we don't speak the truth collectively, it gets in the media, the media gets to the team etc. it's a vicious cycle of low expectations. We want a winning team in the 2020s, and this means we'll need a 100 pts guy (or 2?). I'm not poking holes in his game, I've been following Dach since he's 15! - but let's reserve words for their meaningful usage vs. their superlative usages.
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If you follow the formula of 9 strong plus 1 megastar, yeah.

But 100 point players are not required to be a Cup contender, you just need 2 strong players to offset the one superstar you didn't get lucky to land.

None of this prevents me from from being happy with Dach's season and from expecting more points from him when we have two good lines and hopefully a 7th strong forward who can be an injury replacement in a top 6.
 
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the said:
Kirby looked really good before he got injured. He looked better than Suzuki imo. Hopefully he can continue his good play, there’s still a lot of room for his game to grow.
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To be fair, it was not hard to look better than Suzuki who was scoring at 0.50 ppg over a 35 game period.
 
the said:
Kirby looked really good before he got injured. He looked better than Suzuki imo. Hopefully he can continue his good play, there’s still a lot of room for his game to grow.
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Agree with you. I really think that Kirby Dach is a young player with the same level talent of Suzuki and Caufield. That's a freaking geat news to acquire that type of talent!!
 
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SOLR said:
I'm in good faith, assuming otherwise is just throwing shade at someone you don't know. Not calling anyone homers, if you critically look at Dach's season, it's an encouraging story of continuous improvement but he's still not a first-line center. I'm more confident it's coming than at the beginning of the season, but I'm not fully confident either because he's had swings before.

I disagree with your evaluation, and I'm sure many others do because it's a "rosy" evaluation. Nothing more, nothing less.
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have you or can you come up with a list of acceptable words to use when describing Kirby Dach?

Thanks.
 
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When i said incredible, i was talking especially his last stretch of games when he got back at center (last 13 games) because the other poster said he stopped watching when Caufield went down.

And i’m not talking about just the points but his play in general, his level went up at that exact time.

There’s games he was dominant. The physical & smarts combo was great to see.

No need to argue about words :laugh:
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Really hope he comes back and shows once again the level of play that he was at before he got hurt. Could be due for a massive breakout next season. He could honestly end up our best player, or even just on that Suzuki/Caufield tier for our roster.
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If he is just on Suzuki and Caufield tier, that's a massive W for the future.

That would be put less pressure for Slafkovsky and can become the player we wanted.
 
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BehindTheTimes said:
He had 9 points in 12 games. I think you use incredible a bit too loosely. That’s pretty good, but incredible, far from it.
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Well, if that is the be all end all measure, then I guess hyman is elite since he is on pace for 90 points.

Obviously, points are going to be harder to come by for dach considering the quasi AHL roster he put up those points with.

The exciting thing is how he is able to drive plays. He's one of those guys who doesn't need alot of real estate to do damage, and these are the types of guys you want when the games get bigger, where space is at a premium.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
What’s impressive about Dach’s production is that it improved as the year went on and he did it on an offensively starved team.

Great year for him to build on.
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Actually his peak ppg was around the same time as Suzuki's, before Monahan went down. At that point, the entire offence dried up.

But Dach did come back to score 11 points in his last 13 games before the medical condition/injury.
 
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have you or can you come up with a list of acceptable words to use when describing Kirby Dach?

Thanks.
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That's such a ridiculous and reprehensive stance to have.

All I said is that Dach having an "incredible year", in my opinion, is not the truth.

Go be a word warrior elsewhere, I only aim to encourage people to speak something that resembles reality.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
When i said incredible, i was talking especially his last stretch of games when he got back at center (last 13 games) because the other poster said he stopped watching when Caufield went down.

And i’m not talking about just the points but his play in general, his level went up at that exact time.

There’s games he was dominant. The physical & smarts combo was great to see.

No need to argue about words :laugh:
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I think it’s fair to use the word incredible relative to expectations. 21 year old who hadn’t produced and we took a gamble on. His analytics are awesome vs his teammates and he put up points in a really bad club.

At the end of the year I think almost everyone would grade him an A+.

He warrants whatever superlative you want from that perspective. Nobody was expecting McDavid nor should his production need to be at that level for us to be thrilled about it.

He had just about as good a year as we could’ve hoped for.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
I think it’s fair to use the word incredible relative to expectations. 21 year old who hadn’t produced and we took a gamble on. His analytics are awesome vs his teammates and he put up points in a really bad club.

At the end of the year I think almost everyone would grade him an A+.

He warrants whatever superlative you want from that perspective. Nobody was expecting McDavid nor should his production need to be at that level for us to be thrilled about it.

He had just about as good a year as we could’ve hoped for.
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I agree, he probably would've cracked around 50 points if he didn't get injured, wish is a pretty good improvement from where he was just last year.
 
He's been the such a bright spot shame about the injury. Love having a big RHC who can keep the puck on his stick and finish. He and Suzuki have us in a good position at C, even if both were less than ppg players. IMO it's not unreasonable to expect him to keep improving. Chicago just blew it but he's back on the expected track for a 3OA pick.
 
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