Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[CAUFIELD]

He's already better than Suzuki and soon he will command the 1C.

10-15 game sample … Suzuki is more proven.

Anyway I don’t see the need to compare them.
We are in a better shape If both top out has 1C quality players .

 

[Wats]

He's already better than Suzuki and soon he will command the 1C.

LOL I mean not surprised people think this but damn.

 

[SlafySZN]

LOL I mean not surprised people think this but damn.

I mean, not generally better than Suzuki right now but let’s say he has tools to be a more effective 1C than Suzuki doesn’t have.

 

[DAChampion]

LOL I mean not surprised people think this but damn.

Suzuki is going through a bad stretch. If it keeps up you'll have some posters say he is really a third line center on a contender.

 

[SlafySZN]

Suzuki is going through a bad stretch. If it keeps up you'll have some posters say he is really a third line center on a contender.

If Kirby was drafted by the habs 3rd overall and was showing what he does now i bet you guys wouldn’t think it’s that crazy to think he can be better than Suzuki

But since Suzuki was here before it’s like we can’t say those things

 

[Tetragrammaton]

10-15 game sample … Suzuki is more proven.

Anyway I don’t see the need to compare them.
We are in a better shape If both top out has 1C quality players .

51 game sample. He does things on the ice that Suzuki is incapable of. His size and physicality also gives him a big advantage. Glad we have both.

 

[Tyrus]

Right now he's really shaping up to be a 20ish goal 45-55ish assist man , so 70ish points
Maybe as early as next year even, this has been a HUGE growth year for him all things considered

Super exciting really

Yes of course we all want 100 pt players but starting a rebuild with Two potential 70+ pt Centers is a GREAT start, it cant be stressed enough
(Everyone's down with Zuke right now, but puuuh-lease with that people, he's 75 pts this year in his sleep with a healthy caufield, better team and better PP)

Starting a rebuild with two 60-70 points centers sounds like the perfect way to never get a franchise 100+ points forward and draft 15-20th for the next decade.

Now where have I seen that before.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Starting a rebuild with two 60-70 points centers sounds like the perfect way to never get a franchise 100+ points forward and draft 15-20th for the next decade.

Now where have I seen that before.

Dach has a 100 point ceiling, the eye test shows that he can be dominant and be the best player on the ice on any given night. Time will tell how high he will reach.

Caufield though not a center has a 100+ point ceiling.

Forget about drafting after this year we will have all the young guys we need. We almost will have too many prospects ready for the NHL. It's gonna be time to add Dubois and try to contend.

 

[Redux91]

Starting a rebuild with two 60-70 points centers sounds like the perfect way to never get a franchise 100+ points forward and draft 15-20th for the next decade.

Now where have I seen that before.

Right okay sure, i get you, we all want superstars, and yet! Boston is a perennial top of the East contender, Dangerous EVERY single year, make cup finals, actually win one, and oh snap their best player was drafted 26th overall

And then I see a team with Conor McDavid and Leon Draisatl, one of them being the best player on planet earth and maybe ever, 1st and 3rd overall picks
Can't even get CLOSE to a Stanley Cup
It's weird eh??, 150 and 100 point players shockingly can't get you a cup, but the 70 pt centers can??
It's almost like you need a number of different variables and assets or something?

Look man, you could do WAY worse than starting the construction of a foundation with building blocks like two producing 2 way Centers in 23yr old Suzuki and 22yr old Dach (+potentially drafting another C this June) so lighten up a little will ya

 

[Frank Drebin]

Starting a rebuild with two 60-70 points centers sounds like the perfect way to never get a franchise 100+ points forward and draft 15-20th for the next decade.

Now where have I seen that before.

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This is where the top 15 NHL scorers were drafted. Only 1/3 of them were drafted with a top 5 pick. Only half with a top 10 pick.

Half of these franchise players were just drafted by fluke. And sometimes you draft top 3 and get junk.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

If Kirby was drafted by the habs 3rd overall and was showing what he does now i bet you guys wouldn’t think it’s that crazy to think he can be better than Suzuki

But since Suzuki was here before it’s like we can’t say those things

Nail head hit by hammer.

 

[Naslundforever]

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This is where the top 15 NHL scorers were drafted. Only 1/3 of them were drafted with a top 5 pick. Only half with a top 10 pick.

Half of these franchise players were just drafted by fluke. And sometimes you draft top 3 and get junk.

If you’re the habs, 66% of the time that happens all the time.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Right okay sure, i get you, we all want superstars, and yet! Boston is a perennial top of the East contender, Dangerous EVERY single year, make cup finals, actually win one, and oh snap their best player was drafted 26th overall

And then I see a team with Conor McDavid and Leon Draisatl, one of them being the best player on planet earth and maybe ever, 1st and 3rd overall picks
Can't even get CLOSE to a Stanley Cup
It's weird eh??, 150 and 100 point players shockingly can't get you a cup, but the 70 pt centers can??
It's almost like you need a number of different variables and assets or something?

Look man, you could do WAY worse than starting the construction of a foundation with building blocks like two producing 2 way Centers in 23yr old Suzuki and 22yr old Dach (+potentially drafting another C this June) so lighten up a little will ya

Exactly. You need the right mix of players to win a cup. We have a very nice core coming together with many promising pieces. We haven't looked this good in decades.

 

[SOLR]

Right okay sure, i get you, we all want superstars, and yet! Boston is a perennial top of the East contender, Dangerous EVERY single year, make cup finals, actually win one, and oh snap their best player was drafted 26th overall

And then I see a team with Conor McDavid and Leon Draisatl, one of them being the best player on planet earth and maybe ever, 1st and 3rd overall picks
Can't even get CLOSE to a Stanley Cup
It's weird eh??, 150 and 100 point players shockingly can't get you a cup, but the 70 pt centers can??
It's almost like you need a number of different variables and assets or something?

Look man, you could do WAY worse than starting the construction of a foundation with building blocks like two producing 2 way Centers in 23yr old Suzuki and 22yr old Dach (+potentially drafting another C this June) so lighten up a little will ya

Bergeron and Pasta are superstars. Doesn't matter where you find them.

And surely you shouldn't count on your 2nd rounders to explode like this.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

people are doing point projections like it's 10 years ago lol. look at the point leader boards. Suzuki and Dach are more than 60-70 point guys in their primes.

 

[CAUFIELD]

51 game sample. He does things on the ice that Suzuki is incapable of. His size and physicality also gives him a big advantage. Glad we have both.

51 game cmon .

Suzuki has been easy the better player for the first 30 games .

Dach is playing way better since the last 15 games , but Suzuki really slowed down.


Dach is a better skater and protects the puck better which gives him a certain advantage indeed, But Suzuki has a way better shot, which open the play more for him with his two way threath (pass or shot).

Anyway, Production wise , either one that gets Caufield for winger will be the one that will produce the most probably !

 

[Frank Drebin]

None of us thought at the beginning of the season that there would even be a discussion on who was the better player between Dach and Suzuki. I was hoping to see some sort of progression, something like .5ppg. Trade is looking good so far.

 

[Guess]

I think that Dach's physical tools are much better and he drives play and makes linemates better.
Suzuki is more cerebral and more creative.
Dach has good awareness but Suzuki's is even better.
If Dach reaches his ceiling he will likely be better but as it is right now, Suzuki is an overall better player.

 

[SlafySZN]

I think that Dach's physical tools are much better and he drives play and makes linemates better.
Suzuki is more cerebral and more creative.
Dach has good awareness but Suzuki's is even better.
If Dach reaches his ceiling he will likely be better but as it is right now, Suzuki is an overall better player.

What do you mean by better overall, other than the creative part?

I'd argue Dach is better defensively and his a better transition player, so there's little that separates them overall when you take everything in consideration. But hard to say is they are not the same type of player.

 

[Guess]

What do you mean by better overall, other than the creative part?

I'd argue Dach is better defensively and his a better transition player, so there's little that separates them overall when you take everything in consideration. But hard to say is they are not the same type of player.

Dach is less consistent than Suzuki (except for this period right now where Suzuki isn't playing well, not sure if injured). Suzuki almost always makes the right decision whereas Dach makes more errors, Suzuki is still better on faceoffs, and uses his linemates better whereas Dach is better at transition but tries to do too much at times with it and loses the puck (not saying that's bad but he still needs to better use his frame and drive into the high danger areas, he still cycles too much in the perimeter).

I don't think Dach is better defensively, his skating is really good but Suzuki has more experience and seems to win the puck battles more. It would be interesting to see which of them is getting more DZ starts.

I'm not that versed in hockey knowledge but that's what I see. Dach looks to have much more room to grow, though, and I definitely think (hope) he could become the better player in the long run. He's also the player I most enjoy watching right now.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Right okay sure, i get you, we all want superstars, and yet! Boston is a perennial top of the East contender, Dangerous EVERY single year, make cup finals, actually win one, and oh snap their best player was drafted 26th overall

And then I see a team with Conor McDavid and Leon Draisatl, one of them being the best player on planet earth and maybe ever, 1st and 3rd overall picks
Can't even get CLOSE to a Stanley Cup
It's weird eh??, 150 and 100 point players shockingly can't get you a cup, but the 70 pt centers can??
It's almost like you need a number of different variables and assets or something?

Look man, you could do WAY worse than starting the construction of a foundation with building blocks like two producing 2 way Centers in 23yr old Suzuki and 22yr old Dach (+potentially drafting another C this June) so lighten up a little will ya

Sure, Boston has somehow managed to patch their way to success. That's one out of 32 teams. It's a bit flimsy to argue the exception rather than the rule.

I think the 150 and 100 point players would probably do better than the 70 point players if a better team was built around them.

We need those guys and the most likely place to get them is the top 5. I'm ok with Suzuki and Kirby but we need better than them if we are to succeed.

 

[Walrus26]

He's on pace for 64 points this season, not bad. With more consistency in his game he could become a perennial 80 point player. I think it will come with experience.

All this points pace is happening in a vacuum. The roster is a mess (we are in a major rebuild and full of injuries on top of that) and is now missing Caufield.

Getting to 65 points as a 2022/23 Hab will be one hell of an achievement.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The cool thing is that we have Dach and Suzuki. So who one person thinks is better is irrelevant. We don't have to make a choice.

And I can't believe I saw someone lamenting having two 70 pt centers. We've barely ever had 1. If we had 2, if the rest of the team is filled out correctly that's a cup contender.

 

[Rob Sense]

The cool thing is that we have Dach and Suzuki. So who one person thinks is better is irrelevant. We don't have to make a choice.

And I can't believe I saw someone lamenting having two 70 pt centers. We've barely ever had 1. If we had 2, if the rest of the team is filled out correctly that's a cup contender.

agreed. We may get a glimpse of how things fill up with Farrell (and Roy?) joining soon. These could be the complimentary elements that Dach and Suzuki need to finish a lot of the plays they create instead of the plugs we have now.

 

[DAChampion]

If Kirby was drafted by the habs 3rd overall and was showing what he does now i bet you guys wouldn’t think it’s that crazy to think he can be better than Suzuki

But since Suzuki was here before it’s like we can’t say those things

I'm not against the idea that Dach might turn out better, but it would need more support than the 15 most recent games, especially since Suzuki has been quite bad for reasons unknown ... Undisclosed injury?