Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2
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i know that. The poster was saying we were heading into playoffs and that selling one of our players would all us to be in the Bedard lottery...not happening.
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KevSkillz4
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Dach have already 16 points in 18 games. Last season, 26 points in 70 games.
I really liked this trade at draft, but today he show his talent. In all 18 games, he impress me so much, great skating ability, good protection of puck, great passing abikity, high hockey IQ, great hands, he is fun to watch.
At this point, i'm more happy to have the player that Chicago selected at 3rd overall than having a bottom 3 team.
Habs have a lot of talent right now... Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky (forward prospects we have), Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, Hutson, Mailloux and more.
Imagine if they sign or trade for Dubois... that's going to be a very solid solid team for many years to come.
I really liked this trade at draft, but today he show his talent. In all 18 games, he impress me so much, great skating ability, good protection of puck, great passing abikity, high hockey IQ, great hands, he is fun to watch.
At this point, i'm more happy to have the player that Chicago selected at 3rd overall than having a bottom 3 team.
Habs have a lot of talent right now... Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky (forward prospects we have), Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, Hutson, Mailloux and more.
Imagine if they sign or trade for Dubois... that's going to be a very solid solid team for many years to come.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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iirc 93 has them
I said 94 because it was the best year of the first platform. 95 and 96 had some added quirks, while the pre-94 editions we'ren't as complete.
Same for 08 and 09
Habs Icing
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Roenick in 93 edition was bonkers.
For my money:
- 93
- Ice hockey
- 94
- Blades of steel
- Whichever edition you could first create a player (96?)
I was a Genesis owner so I got the blood editions...
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Actually, anyone playing that game on another console than Genesis, wasn't doing it right. I had both a genesis and SNES and the latter's version of NHL 94 and pre-94s were sketchy as hell. The play kept skipping (like online lagging) because the hardware wasn't strong enough. I didn't play the 95 or latter versions (if any?) on SNES, but I presume it was similar.
Suffice to say, since I had a genesis when it first came out exclusively on that console, I kept on playing NHL on the genesis. It's when I first tried it at a friend's on his SNES, the 93 version iirc, that I realized the genesis had better hardware.
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KevSkillz4
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Hope that he is going to have a very good game against CHI to prove that they made a big mistake to trade him.
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Kirby is already so strong on the puck. I've seen multiple times where a player lines him up for a check along the boards but they just end up bouncing right off him, and kirby just continues to proceed with the puck on his stick.
Good vision, good poise, and and strong on the puck. He adds a different dimension to the top 6.
Good vision, good poise, and and strong on the puck. He adds a different dimension to the top 6.
Habs going to regret passing on Badard. He's Up there with the Rocket and Beliveau. Will cost Montreal several Cups. History shows teams with the Mackinnons, Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane, Hedman types win Cups. Bedard better than all then.
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This and Dach is a very talented player too. He think the game like Suzuki and Caufield. I'm so happy to have him. Since the draft, i'm hype with that type of player.
Think that’s already been done…..You can see that with every game he plays, the confidence is shooting up. He mans the PP from the point with so much authority, his vision is elite and it’s thanks to him that that PP is clicking….it allows everything else to happen….he’s a godsend and he’s ours!!!
"Passing on Bedard"?? Even if the Habs outright gave away their best players to the teams who are near the bottom of the standings, and even if those teams all decided not to tank, and ONLY the Habs purposely, strongly wanted to lose as much as possible, and they succeeded at it, the odds that Montreal would get Bedard (the first pick) would be only 25.5%. The most likely outcome of draft rank when finishing last is drafting 3rd. If we collapse from now to the end of the season and finish second to last, we get a 13.5% chance at Bedard.
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Patrick Kane averages 87 points per 82 games.
The three years they won the Cup, Kane averaged 89 points per 82 games. Jonathan Toews averaged 73 points per 82 games those three years.
Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield are pacing for 105 and 87 points respectively. They are both on pace for 50 goals. Why aren't we even in the playoff group at this time?
Ah, but they might cool off a bit! Sure, Suzuki might cool off to 89 points and Caufield to 73. 2023 Cup, anyone?
Obviously not. Teams that win Cups have multiple good players. It is easy to say after the fact that they won only because of their best players, but that is a big-time logical error. Many teams have players that average 89 points per 82 games. So when one of those teams wins it all, it is not hard to find that 50-60% of the time, they had an 89 point player.
Here is the number of points the top scorer of each winning team got in the regular season per 82 games:
2006: 100 - Eric Staal (11th in league)
2007: 94 - Teemu Selanne (14th in league)
2008: 99 - Henrik Zetterberg (5th in league)
2009: 109 - Sidney Crosby (3rd in league)
2010: 88 - Patrick Kane (14th in league)
2011: 67 - David Krejci (46th in league)
2012: 76 - Anze Kopitar (23rd in league)
2013: 95 - Patrick Kane (3rd in league)
2014: 70 - Anze Kopitar (28th in league)
2015: 85 - Patrick Kane (4th in league)
2016: 87 - Sidney Crosby (4th in league)
2017: 97 - Sidney Crosby (2nd in league)
2018: 87 - Alex Ovechkin (15th in league)
2019: 77 - Ryan O'Reilly (43rd in league)
2020: 102 - Nikita Kucherov (8th in league)
2021: 71 - Brayden Point (47th in league)
2022: 109 - Nathan Mackinnon (7th in league)
In 17 years, the Cup winning team's top scorer was top 4 in points per game across the league 5 times (only two players - Crosby and Kane). At the same time, there were also 5 times that the top scorer was between 23rd and 47th in a 30+ team league.
Sure, if Bedard is a great player, he will help a team, but the numbers from the post-lockout / cap era show that the distribution of scoring rank is wide, and that by no means is having the generational player the only way to success.
As an aside, the top ppg scorer in any given season did not win the Cup a single time. He did not reach the Cup finals and lose a single time either!! Zero for seventeen, and zero for seventeen again.
This is why teams do NOT focus on getting one superstar and instead strive to build a team properly. We the fans should try to think the same, for the love of Price.
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it's B"e"dard btw......and how so??
We haven't won the lottery and are not picking first overall as of today, so we haven't passed on him. I'm also getting a feel that you want Suzuki to become a 50pt player, Caufield a 15-goal scorer and Guhle to become the second coming of David Wilkie?? I mean how else are we finishing last....it's not like Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle are all 18 and in the beginning stages of their careers....
They are in in the advanced stages of their development and if they are sucking so hard that we are finishing last due to lack of productivity, then we are in deep f***in trouble. Might as well flush them out and start a new and plan for a 6yr rebuild.....great strategy lol
You're witnessing magic out there. Suzuki is maturing into a Superstar and Caufield into a prime Bonafide sniper. Dach is starting to emerge into the player he was supposed to become, and our young D are proving to us that they are the real deal. And we haven't even talked about Slaf yet and HIS potential.
Hey....I'd love Bedard, but not at the expense of finding out that Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle and Dach are prospects that couldn't make the cut and become busts prospects.....we've had our share of busts with the likes of Scherbak, McCarron and Tinordi and Beaulieu, time to be cemented at the other end of that stick.
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Dach is showing signs of puck possession and ability to deal with contact. Points will come and go and I'm sure Dach will put up points but how he drives offense like Suzuki is more important.
Really like what I see from Dach. We all know what Suzuki and Caufield can do and Dach is catching them.
Guhle, Slaf, Harris, Xhekaj are also well on their way.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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I always laugh when I read folks act like a professional sports team would sacrifice an entire year, or in many cases, years, of players, coaches, managers, careers for a 25.5% chance at drafting a potential generational player.
At best 25.5%. Finish just second to last and it drops to 13.5%
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