Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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The goalie interference that wasn't was actually one my highlights for Dach last game. The book on him before we got him was that he was big but soft and didn't use his size but in reality he's used his size pretty well throughout his time as a Hab. Which goes to show how some people think using your size is only about big hits when it's really not.
 
I'd love Dubois also, I just don't want the team to give up assets to get him.

Free agency has to be the way for him to come to the Habs.
Any assets at all? There is plenty of time for him to change his mind and sign with another team by the time free agency comes. And if we don't get a center with a top pick this draft, it would definitely hurt not getting Dubois or a center. Unless of course, Dach goes back to center, but that ruins the 1st line.

Dvorak+later 1st for PLD seems more than fair for both teams IMO. Very similar to the Trouba trade.
 
I don’t think it takes a miracle worker to bring a number one pick back to life. He was a hyped prospect and the Rangers have stifled him.

If he’d be willing to do a three year cheap deal like Dach did? Let’s go!

By cheap, he meant how much it would cost to acquire Lafreniere from the rangers.

Considering Dach was traded for the 13th overall pick+ and Lafreniere has more value than Dach had last summer, Laf is definitely not going to be cheap to acquire.
 
By cheap, he meant how much it would cost to acquire Lafreniere from the rangers.

Considering Dach was traded for the 13th overall pick+ and Lafreniere has more value than Dach had last summer, he's definitely not going to be cheap to acquire.
While I agree he would cost more than a cheap asset like a couple of 2nds, part of what made Dach worth what we gave up was his size and skating combo as a center which is rare in today's game.

That being said, a big reason why Dach looks great right now is his linemates. With Laffy, he may very well be playing with a Monahan/Dvorak and Gallagher/Anderson.
 
This is actually the most talented offensively gifted young team since the early 90s.

Dach is absolutely beautiful to watch. He's producing at a rate very few young habs even touched. I remember drooling over the Kostitsyns when they had like 8pts in 10 games, or when Pacioretty was aiming at 30 goals or Galchenyuk going 5pts in 5 games...

I mean Dach is out pacing them, he's that type of exciting young player... Yet, he's not even the most productive young player on this team.

Suzuki, Caufield and Dach... Nothing comes close to a great first line in the last 25 years. There was the Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev line that was solid but even then their production was still massively from the PP and they weren't as good or young.

I've been waiting for a star offensive forward on the habs for the last 25 years... Now, we might be gifted with 3... If not more. Just wow.... (And don't get me started on these young defensemen ;) )
 
This is actually the most talented offensively gifted young team since the early 90s.

Dach is absolutely beautiful to watch. He's producing at a rate very few young habs even touched. I remember drooling over the Kostitsyns when they had like 8pts in 10 games, or when Pacioretty was aiming at 30 goals or Galchenyuk going 5pts in 5 games...

I mean Dach is out pacing them, he's that type of exciting young player... Yet, he's not even the most productive young player on this team.

Suzuki, Caufield and Dach... Nothing comes close to a great first line in the last 25 years. There was the Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev line that was solid but even then their production was still massively from the PP and they weren't as good or young.

I've been waiting for a star offensive forward on the habs for the last 25 years... Now, we might be gifted with 3... If not more. Just wow.... (And don't get me started on these young defensemen ;) )

Dach has a lot of talent. But it's ine thing to produce over a 10 game span, another to do it over a 10 year span. It's looking good. But I'm still curious to see if he can do it over the long Hall. There's a lot of talent there.
 
Any assets at all? There is plenty of time for him to change his mind and sign with another team by the time free agency comes. And if we don't get a center with a top pick this draft, it would definitely hurt not getting Dubois or a center. Unless of course, Dach goes back to center, but that ruins the 1st line.

Dvorak+later 1st for PLD seems more than fair for both teams IMO. Very similar to the Trouba trade.
Well if they wanna take that kind of offer, sure lol.

But I can't forsee a scenario where the Jets are trading Dubois to the Habs for less than an absolute overpayment.
 
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I had basically already resigned to the fact he should have shot the puck on the Hoffman goal.

That was a great pass, done at the absolute last possible second. Good job by Hoffman getting a stick on it too.

So far Dach's best qualities I've noticed are

a) Passing (hard, accurate and can sauce it)
b) Board Battles (great stick and use of body)
c) Zone Entries (speed plus hands)

He's a bit of a risky player, but so are most dynamic forwards. MSL is a great coach for him for this reason.

A lot of NHL dinos would reem him out for some of his no look passes, but MSL sees the value of letting him find what works. Likely because of this, he's lost some hesitation that he had at the start of the year and is making plays instinctively.

It's fun to think where he goes from here.
 
Well if they wanna take that kind of offer, sure lol.

But I can't forsee a scenario where the Jets are trading Dubois to the Habs for less than an absolute overpayment.
I don't see what else they can do unless they want to just trade him as a rental where I don't even think another team's offer would beat ours
 
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By cheap, he meant how much it would cost to acquire Lafreniere from the rangers.

Considering Dach was traded for the 13th overall pick+ and Lafreniere has more value than Dach had last summer, Laf is definitely not going to be cheap to acquire.
That’s the other side of the equation… if it’s a low 1st I’d consider it. But I wouldn’t be trading away Caufield. :laugh:

If they want a premium I’d tell them to go float a boat.
 
Can't believe Kirby lol, so happy for him
So happy for us :D

Thought for sure he passed that back to Nick tho too bad lol , and he was THIS close to assisting on the Andy goal too

It makes 0 sense his career high in assists is 17 lol he's going to BLOW by that mark this year, shit give it a couple more games even

Man I can't believe Hoffman got his stick on that and put it in, seriously the guy has a shot if nothing else, sweet hands.
 
The most exciting thing for me to be honest are the two goals he didn't get points on, the screening in front of the net, the board battles to separate people from the puck with his stick and intelligent use of his body, etc.. those go against everything we heard about him and all the clips of him playing for the Black Hawks. He obviously has massive talent but the consistent will to go into the dirty areas is what tells me barring any injuries he is here to stay.
 
I had basically already resigned to the fact he should have shot the puck on the Hoffman goal.

That was a great pass, done at the absolute last possible second. Good job by Hoffman getting a stick on it too.

So far Dach's best qualities I've noticed are

a) Passing (hard, accurate and can sauce it)
b) Board Battles (great stick and use of body)
c) Zone Entries (speed plus hands)
This is why he works so well with Suzuki and Caufield and Anderson doesn't (this isn't a shot at Anderson either)
He's a bit of a risky player, but so are most dynamic forwards. MSL is a great coach for him for this reason.

A lot of NHL dinos would reem him out for some of his no look passes, but MSL sees the value of letting him find what works. Likely because of this, he's lost some hesitation that he had at the start of the year and is making plays instinctively.

It's fun to think where he goes from here.
MSL often talks about players not always taking the most obvious and available play, but rather, delaying a half second to find the best available play.

This is Kirby Dach to a tee, he's going to make a lot of higher risk or higher difficulty plays because he plays a step ahead, just so happens his linemates do too.
 
Dach has a lot of talent. But it's ine thing to produce over a 10 game span, another to do it over a 10 year span. It's looking good. But I'm still curious to see if he can do it over the long Hall. There's a lot of talent there.
I agree, that's why I compared him with the likes of Kostitsyn, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk.

... As for Suzuki and Caufield, they are already at a higher level.
 
He's a bit of a risky player, but so are most dynamic forwards. MSL is a great coach for him for this reason.

A lot of NHL dinos would reem him out for some of his no look passes, but MSL sees the value of letting him find what works. Likely because of this, he's lost some hesitation that he had at the start of the year and is making plays instinctively.
MSL often talks about players not always taking the most obvious and available play, but rather, delaying a half second to find the best available play.
It's so nice that this stuff is all clicking cohesively. They hired the right coach and are bringing in the right players for him to work with. It's so nice to have a player with Dach's skillset given the green light to go test the limits and see what works, the development value of this year is so massive down the line.
 
Legitimately possible that entire line ends the season with 65-70+pts each.

Insane.
Legitimately impossible that Caufield and Nick do not end up with 70+. Barring injuries, of course. Suzuki needs to hold his PPG 0.02 above last year and 0.04 over his career to hit it. He would essentially need to revert to his first seasons PPG clip to not hit it. I don't expect 105 points but 75-80 is a given. Hopefully he stays hot for long enough to break 90.
Even during the dark days of the Habs with DumDum at the helm Nick managed 27/44, even that would take him to a 60 points season.

Its happening guys, absolutely nobody stay calm, get crazy.
 
When the trade happen at draft day, i've been thrilled about this. Right now, I can't believe that we have a young player like Kirby Dach. He is a beauty to watch, like Suzuki and Caufield. They have the same hockey IQ and have great hands. They complete each other so well 🤩🤩

I always wanted to try to find a 3rd wheel that can make plays with them, instead of just bringing size, like Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak have in Boston. So I'm VERY happy with this trio.

Now on to building the 2nd line! I say Dvorak-Monahan-Slaf. Put our next 3 best offensive players on the same line.
 
I always wanted to try to find a 3rd wheel that can make plays with them, instead of just bringing size, like Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak have in Boston. So I'm VERY happy with this trio.

Now on to building the 2nd line! I say Dvorak-Monahan-Slaf. Put our next 3 best offensive players on the same line.

I've been thinking about Slaf-Monahan-Armia. I don't think highly of Armia, but I think the line could work as a cycle line and it would allow Slaf to carry the puck more since neither of those guys are big puck carriers.
 
I agree, that's why I compared him with the likes of Kostitsyn, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk.

... As for Suzuki and Caufield, they are already at a higher level.

Higher pace with a coach who not only gives them liberties, but also can teach them how to create more offense.

Those players you named didn't get the same benefit. Btw, both Galchenyuk and Pacioretty were PPG for longer stretches than our dynamic duo. Pac finished with 69 points once and he's a PPG player on another team. All that despite being coached by the grinch of hockey instead of MSL.
 
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I've been thinking about Slaf-Monahan-Armia. I don't think highly of Armia, but I think the line could work as a cycle line and it would allow Slaf to carry the puck more since neither of those guys are big puck carriers.

Yes I like it, especially since MSL likely doesn't try Dvorak or Evan's there on the wing, yet I'd like to see them there. Also Armia and Slaf have played well together.

But, that likely pushes Anderson to the 4th line. My sense is Hughes doesn't want that because if his numbers go too low, he's untradeable. Unless Anderson takes red hot Hoffman's spot on the Gallagher line.
 
The goalie interference that wasn't was actually one my highlights for Dach last game. The book on him before we got him was that he was big but soft and didn't use his size but in reality he's used his size pretty well throughout his time as a Hab. Which goes to show how some people think using your size is only about big hits when it's really not.

Speaking of the goalie interference, I don't blame Sullivan for taking a stab with a challenge, but it also signaled to me that the coaches are just as clueless as we are as to what constitutes goalie interference, and the league needs to push the reset button and approach these in a different way.
 
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The most beautiful thing about watching Dach, Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris etc etc flourish, is that it's only made possible my a management team of HuGo and coach like MSL. Having everyone on the same page, competent and clear in their goals, and allowing the kids the ice time and ability to learn and make mistakes makes all the difference in the world. I mean you can see the kids strutting around out there like peacocks because they're so confident and happy to be there and that lets them do what they do best. Imagine this team under Julien, Therrien, deep throat Ducharme, etc. This would never have been possible under previous regimes which makes this so much sweeter. It's not just how much they're developing and improving and carrying the team, it's that they were actually given the opportunity and are running with it. f***ing LOVE this management team and all they've done. Can't wait for the Cup they bring!
 
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Oh yeah no doubt. But I think he's a strong guy. There was one play in last nights game where he came from behind the net with the puck, and just how easy he made it look.... I think the size/strength is a noticeable factor.
He can use that advantage to protect pucks, for sure -- knows how to use that -- but he doesn't have the temperament to dig pucks out of the corners regularly. Also willing to use his frame in the crease to shield the opposing G's vision - darned good thing!

Caufield just lobbed the puck in when hey did that against PIT (maybe not lobbed, but for Caufield, it looked like a lob).
 
I've been thinking about Slaf-Monahan-Armia. I don't think highly of Armia, but I think the line could work as a cycle line and it would allow Slaf to carry the puck more since neither of those guys are big puck carriers.
Armia would just hog the puck all shift long, stickhandle himself into a corner against 3 opposing players and lose it at that point.

Guy needs to learn to pass at the right time instead of always trying to be a one-man-army.
 
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