Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Tetragrammaton]

Dach is becoming a PPG player, Kotkaniemi is on pace for 17.5 points what a dud.

 

[Mrb1p]

I do see him as a center and believe he has the potential to score between 15-25 goals a season and the potential to put up 40-60 assists a year. So that means, in the right development, conditions and deployment, he could be near a PPG center but more than likely a 60-70 pt guy.

Hes got it in him to get more than 30Gs, well, maybe not in his head. Hes so good when he exploits the time and space he can create inside with his body/stick/hands, not a lot of players can score goals in this way. Even Caufield can't do it on a regular basis from the inside, Dach could, as hes shown, I think on what... 95% of his goals in the NHL?

So frustrating when he doesn't go for it though, hopefully MSL can spot that and Dach can get better there.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Hes got it in him to get more than 30Gs, well, maybe not in his head. Hes so good when he exploits the time and space he can create inside with his body/stick/hands, not a lot of players can score goals in this way. Even Caufield can't do it on a regular basis from the inside, Dach could, as hes shown, I think on what... 95% of his goals in the NHL?

So frustrating when he doesn't go for it though, hopefully MSL can spot that and Dach can get better there.

MSL is bringing the best out of every young player. Can’t teach old dogs new tricks that’s why none of our veteran forwards can do anything, because they all suck.

 

[Runner77]

The main issue with Dach in regard to the media is his demeanor. He is not a fun, extraverted guy like Slafkovsky, Caufield, or Kotkaniemi (yeah, the media liked him for a long time for his big smile). Dach gives the vibe that he does not want to talk to you, or be your friend. For the insecure french media types, that's the kiss of death.

They’re not French but French-speaking.

Insecurity is not particular to those practising sports journalism in a particular language.

There are incompetents everywhere. There are also others who remind you what it’s like to treat stories and subject matter intelligently.

For every Gaston Therrien dinosaur there is a Martin Leclerc, who prepares every piece he writes and every radio segment he appears on, with a lot of advance work, professionalism and balance.

 

[MasterD]

They’re not French but French-speaking.

Insecurity is not particular to those practising sports journalism in a particular language.

There are incompetents everywhere. There are also others who remind you what it’s like to treat stories and subject matter intelligently.

For every Gaston Therrien dinosaur there is a Martin Leclerc, who prepares every piece he writes and every radio segment he appears on, with a lot of preparation, professionalism and balance.

Martin Leclerc suggested Kirby Dach was involved in the Team Canada rape scandal when the trade happened. I’m not sure id say he always prepares properly.


Though yes, he’s far better than most of the garbage in the French media.

 

[Team_Spirit]

I would not read too much into what they have to say about Kirby. I feel the criticism is "baked in"..

You like him I like him too but I will pretend I'm not sold so we can debate for 10 minutes and call it a day type of thing.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

It's a good point that under MB/Ducharme Dach would be playing on the 4th line for six minutes a game and told to focus on defense and grinding.

That's basically what Slafkovsky is doing

 

[Runner77]

Martin Leclerc suggested Kirby Dach was involved in the Team Canada rape scandal when the trade happened. I’m not sure id say he always prepares properly.


Though yes, he’s far better than most of the garbage in the French media.

Never heard Leclerc say that.

I looked for a link and couldn’t find one. Do you have a source?

 

[SlafySZN]

The f*** is wrong with these guys? What more can you possibly want given the situation?

Love the new avatar

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Love the new avatar

Thanks brother

 

[MasterD]

Never heard Leclerc say that.

I looked for a link and couldn’t find one. Do you have a source?

It was in a podcast. Sortie de Zone, I think. Couldn't tell you which episode... shortly after the trade. Tried to explain why the Hawks traded him

 

[Mudz]

I didn't see the hate from the ''french'' media. Some thought he was invisible, some liked him. But it was mostly indifference-ish. Now they all like him I guess

Martin Leclerc suggested Kirby Dach was involved in the Team Canada rape scandal when the trade happened. I’m not sure id say he always prepares properly.


Though yes, he’s far better than most of the garbage in the French media.

He's so good at making you think he knows his stuff. While been as knowledgeable as the average hfboard poster.

I'm glad that Dach is doing so well. He's like an octopus. He's got such a long reach and still a lot of power when he's reaching. Add the elite skating thanks to its morphology and high hockey IQ, he's a treat to watch.

 

[FerrisRox]

If it was up to me,I'd waive more than a few vets and hope some other teams picks them up and create cap space. With money and openings,can assess other players more accurately in the proper environment with superior players and see what they have.

What are you talking about? How many teams in the entire league have four to six million in cap space and could place claims on players like Armia, Hoffman or Drouin, even if they wanted to?

And even if they did, it's been made plainly clear that cap space is a valuable asset that can yield draft picks or desirable players, so what you're talking about isn't an actual option.

It's not like the Canadiens could waive these guys and clear up all kinds of cap space but they are just choosing not to.

But even if all of that wasn't utter nonsense, the premise is false anyway. The Canadiens can cleary assess the value of these non-NHL contract players by observing them in the American Hockey League, they don't need to throw away NHL players in order to find out if a player like Ylonen is good. There's no narrative where his road to the NHL is blocked by a clog of veterans in Montreal. If he performs in Laval at a level where it warrants a look with the big club, he will most certainly get that whether Mike Hoffman is here or not.

 

[jrom]

He does need to engage his feet more and get a bit more physical in puck battles, etc. but I also don't think he's "strong" yet.. but he is more than willing to mix it up physically with people, so it's not like he's timid.

A comment I saw on the Hawks board was that his wrist injury prevented him from doing strengthening exercices for a while (lift weights).

I didn't see the hate from the ''french'' media. Some thought he was invisible, some liked him. But it was mostly indifference-ish. Now they all like him I guess



He's so good at making you think he knows his stuff. While been as knowledgeable as the average hfboard poster.

I'm glad that Dach is doing so well. He's like an octopus. He's got such a long reach and still a lot of power when he's reaching. Add the elite skating thanks to its morphology and high hockey IQ, he's a treat to watch.

Spot on for the octopus comparison, I was thinking the same thing last game.

 

[FerrisRox]

That's basically what Slafkovsky is doing

No, it's not. Slafkovsky's lowest time on ice all season is 8:18. He's played over ten minutes on seven occasions, over 12 minutes three times and a season high of 14:25 against the Coyotes.

 

[Rapala]

MSL is bringing the best out of every young player. Can’t teach old dogs new tricks that’s why none of our veteran forwards can do anything, because they all suck.

Don't scoff at the Hoff. I mean he is playing better. He scored two goals from an area he hasn't seen in the last couple of seasons.

 

[Mrb1p]

A comment I saw on the Hawks board was that his wrist injury prevented him from doing strengthening exercices for a while (lift weights).



Spot on for the octopus comparison, I was thinking the same thing last game.

You can lift with a broken wrist, theres many ways to strengthen your body, doubt thats the reason. Hes just a tall lanky dude that also is 21.

 

[SlafySZN]

A comment I saw on the Hawks board was that his wrist injury prevented him from doing strengthening exercices for a while (lift weights).



Spot on for the octopus comparison, I was thinking the same thing last game.

Yeah, this summer was probably the first off season he really had to work on his strength in years because the summer before he was still healing the wrist, since Chicago rushed him to come back and he re-injured it.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

No, it's not. Slafkovsky's lowest time on ice all season is 8:18. He's played over ten minutes on seven occasions, over 12 minutes three times and a season high of 14:25 against the Coyotes.

Sure, but nobody was playing 6 min a night on the 4th line either with the previous regime...

 

[Runner77]

It was in a podcast. Sortie de Zone, I think. Couldn't tell you which episode... shortly after the trade. Tried to explain why the Hawks traded him

I can’t comment without a source. Don’t know what he may have said and until I listen to what he said. Had he involved Dach in a Team Canada scandal, knowing how he works, he must have had a multiplicity of reliable sources confirming it and if not, then he would have been sued by now.

 

[SlafySZN]

I can’t comment without a source. Don’t know what he may have said and until I listen to what he said. Had he involved Dach in a Team Canada scandal, knowing how he works, he must have had a multiplicity of reliable sources confirming it and if not, then he would have been sued by now.

I listened to it few months ago, he did made a comment about that, some sort of assumption. He didn't made sure to do his research before saying that.

Dach was 16 years old few days of being 17 at the time, he wasn't on this team canada team. It's easy to research.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He's just been on his case the entire season, has fixated on proving his point about him. It's easy to isolate plays to confirm your bias while ignoring everything that contradicts him.

Today he's was essentially saying he needs stripped down and rebuilt, I don't know why, but it seems like some member ms have designated Dach as the whipping boy.

Me thinks they're all a little envious. They were mostly all friendly to Bergevin too. Dach is the replacement's acquisition. Look quickly some of them became critical of Slaf at camp. I'm pretty sure it's a pro-clown bias.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Martin Leclerc suggested Kirby Dach was involved in the Team Canada rape scandal when the trade happened. I’m not sure id say he always prepares properly.


Though yes, he’s far better than most of the garbage in the French media.

He also got his career ahead with the "worst day in Habs history" scandal, which is one of the many major occurences that has built-up a bad reputation for players to play here. The sort of sensationalistic crap that most players can avoid elsewhere.

That's basically what Slafkovsky is doing

One is 18 and barely starting while the other is 21 and in his 4th season....

 

[Runner77]

I listened to it few months ago, he did made a comment about that, some sort of assumption. He didn't made sure to do his research before saying that.

Dach was 16 years old few days of being 17 at the time, he wasn't on this team canada team. It's easy to research.

Do you know which of these podcasts it came from: Sortie de zone, saison 3 | Épisode 61 : les problèmes de Kent Hughes

I’ve only read articles and listened to Leclerc on his weekday contributions to BPM. My comment about him was based on these sources.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I can’t comment without a source. Don’t know what he may have said and until I listen to what he said. Had he involved Dach in a Team Canada scandal, knowing how he works, he must have had a multiplicity of reliable sources confirming it and if not, then he would have been sued by now.

There's a good chance it hasn't been relayed to Dach or his surrounding, since it was a french podcast with a limited audience.