Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[M.C.G. 31]

We love the ON PACE here...well right now, Dach is at 42 games per year played. Brunet with the Habs was at 49. I guess time will tell.


Never had a problem with the trade either. Still doesn't have. My ONLY f***ing comment was that it was possible that Hawks knew something we didn't.

Strange how that works....when amateurs have opinions, we keep being reminded how pros know best. When my comment was that it was possible that Hawks knew best, since it goes against the narrative, SUDDENLY it CERTAINLY not true.....WE know best. WE KNOW for CERTAIN that he's not injury prone...lol

If it was his wrist sure, but this knee injury was a freak accident that couldn’t have been predicted based off previous injury history. It was a freak accident at a bad spot on the ice.

 

[bcv]

And yet acquired Seth Jones in the trade for Boqvist ON TOP of sending 1st rounders for Jones. How were they dumping talent by acquiring Jones? Call it a stupid trade. But a talent dump?

Again, I didn't say FOR CERTAIN that this is what it was. But aside from talent, who dumps a 20 year old 6'4'' C for dumping? What's the precedent?

The Seth Jones trade was from a different regime.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So we're going from Pros known best, to pros know nothing. Great to see this board is evolving. And I guess we've established that a player being injury prone does not exist too. That's some major changes in people's mentality. Great to see.

I’ll say this again - there is NO WAY to predict that kind of injury.

As to your earlier point - why did Chicago trade him? They clearly wanted to tank. They loaded up on picks and predictably dropped in the standings.

 

[Whitesnake]

If it was his wrist sure, but this knee injury was a freak accident that couldn’t have been predicted based off previous injury history. It was a freak accident at a bad spot on the ice.

Freak accident....good one. Playing hockey is FILLED with freak accidents. Do people think players get injured on purpose? Heineman is a freak accident....Dach was injured playing a tough sport.

The Seth Jones trade was from a different regime.

So trading Boqvist has nothing to do with the rest.

 

[Redux91]

No matter what you say, next year, the second Dach just goes in the dressing room because he has to take a shit, you'll ALL be thinking here we go again NO MATTER if right now you say we shouldn't start thinking he's injury prone.....It might never happen again. But it will take a heck of a time before we stop thinking it.

No
It's just because it just happened, and because it's one of 6-7 players everyone really had their eyes on
This awful feeling your feeling would be the same for anyone of the 6 other guys if they got hurt

You are merely overreacting because you are that upset over upsetting news so ridiculously early into the season
But hey, you ain't the only one lol

 

[bcv]

So trading Boqvist has nothing to do with the rest.

Indeed.

Doesn't mean the Hawks could predict Dach would tear his ACL 18 months after the trade because he broke his wrist once.

 

[Whitesnake]

I’ll say this again - there is NO WAY to predict that kind of injury.

As to your earlier point - why did Chicago trade him? They clearly wanted to tank. They loaded up on picks and predictably dropped in the standings.

Not sure what is your point. Who can predict an injury? What injuries do you predict our other players will have? Did he freakin slipped in the bathroom? Tough sport, faster sport. Bigger players. The only guys that will be able to play more games are the toughest or the most elusive ones. There will be players who won't be able to play at their potential because they don't have the toughness to do so. Sad. But true.

We will see if Dach in the upcoming years was just unlucky. Or had health issues. We will also see how that injury will play out for the rest of his career.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Not sure what is your point.

My point is that you’re looking for someone to blame and it doesn’t make sense to do so. This was not a predicable injury.

Who can predict an injury? What injuries do you predict our other players will have? Did he freakin slipped in the bathroom? Tough sport, faster sport. Bigger players. The only guys that will be able to play more games are the toughest or the most elusive ones. There will be players who won't be able to play at their potential because they don't have the toughness to do so. Sad. But true.

So then quit screaming the the Hawks knew something we didn’t.

We will see if Dach in the upcoming years was just unlucky. Or had health issues. We will also see how that injury will play out for the rest of his career.

I don’t know any more than you do what will happen with this guy. He might never be the same player again. Sucks but it’s true.

 

[FourQuarters]

Habs should pay him a bonus to still be slaf's babysitter off the ice.

 

[JianYang]

Never said that. Never said Hughes lost the trade. I'm saying that the guy clearly is injury prone. The same way we laughed at Benoit Brunet for being always injured...strangely we seem to want to close our eyes to what Dach could potentially be.

Meh, time will tell. Koivu was headed down the same path early in his career but eventually managed to stay healthier as his career progressed.

It's not just a black and white scenario where he is definitely going the brunet path.

 

[McGees]

lol

https://x.com/BPMSportsRadio/status/1714272231642267923?s=20

 

[Whitesnake]

 

[Ozmodiar]

Some players put themselves in vulnerable positions to get injured.

I haven't noticed it with Dach. Though he does have a lanky frame.

I did notice it with Latendresse early on.

Now I'm worried about Slaf, Heineman, Evan's, and Guhle. Time will tell...

It’s true. Gotta limit the unexpected hits … and be aware when the meatheads are on the ice … like Tinordi. I recall Gudas flipping Dach with a hip check. Guhle didn’t protect himself vs Reaves.

Evans and Slaf have had more than their share of unexpected hits.

 

[the valiant effort]

Koivu’s career is such an odd reference to use in this thread. Yes, he sorta shed the injury prone label starting in 2002-2003 at age 28…6 years after knee injuries obliterated his tremendous potential to be a PPG gamebreaker. Koivu also suffered one of the worst freak injuries we’ve ever seen in 2006, one that helped stop a possible playoff upset in its tracks. There’s gotta be better examples out there for people to hang their hat on staying positive about Dach’s future.

 

[Whitesnake]

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2023/10/17/un-historique-inquietant-pour-kirby-dach

Since 2019:
Concussion
Wrist injury
Right shoulder
Lower-body injury (never precised)
Concussion
Knee injury

Let's hope he gets away from freak accidents....

 

[admiralcadillac]

So you think injuries dont affect production especially wrist injury and you think he struggled in Chicago for no reason? I saw some Hawks games and 2020-2021 Kirby Dach was a beast injurie slowed him down and we would not be able to trade for him without that.

I think you’re missing the point. Of course the injuries may have played a role in his trade. What does that have to do with his knee injury?

They aren’t the same. It’s not a case of a perpetually f***ed hamstring or recurrent knee injuries. You guys are making associations that simply don’t exist.

 

[SlafySZN]

lol

https://x.com/BPMSportsRadio/status/1714272231642267923?s=20

 

[admiralcadillac]

So we're going from Pros known best, to pros know nothing. Great to see this board is evolving. And I guess we've established that a player being injury prone does not exist too. That's some major changes in people's mentality. Great to see.

Again, can't wait to see people's reactions next year when he limps, stops a shot and so on. I'm SURE nobody in here will stop breathing...

Just because you guys are equating two entirely separate injuries as an indicator of how a body is more « brittle » doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.

 

[Whitesnake]

Just because you guys are equating two entirely separate injuries as an indicator of how a body is more « brittle » doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.

Shit...and here I thought you were all supposed to agree with me....better luck next time for me. I will find something. Here.....David Fischer was a bad pick. Please agree.

 

[red devil]

 

[EveryDay]

Good to see him on the bench around the team already.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Didn’t hear a lot of concern over Dach’s health or injury history before the season began.

[ once in the preseason I said something like “save it for the regular season” or “don’t get hurt in preseason” (he took a pretty good hit) … but was never really worried for him. ]

Slaf was more of a concern - he took a lot of hits. So far so good.

Evans - there was a concern for him after the Chef hit.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

You just have to love to see/hear this. MSL is the definition of a guy that *gets it*.

 

[jrom]

DACH IS RETIRING AND BECOMING ASSISTANT COACH
#CONFIRRRRRRMED

https://x.com/Antho_Martineau/status/1714293010362740961?s=20

They should put him in charge of the PP !

 

[Habs Halifax]

They should put him in charge of the PP !

You can't teach puck possession skill unfortunately