Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[morhilane]

Marinaro says season over.

Torn ACL recovery time is minimum 6 months, so if that is his injury, he's out for the rest of the season since the habs aren't likely to go into the playoffs.

But he should have a full off-season to train back into shape for next year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Just gutted for the kid..

Have your whole season stolen away on just a fluke result of a hit.

Thankfully there's been so much progress on ACL/MCL reconstruction that he should be able to recover and come back without it being a massive impediment. His game isn't predicated around speed so if he loses a little bit of oomph it won't hamper him too much.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No sir, it's a comment on the Dach trade in general. There is no connection between his injuries (that we know) other than how it relates to him as an NHL trade-asset. We got him for relatively cheap because injuries had impacted his development. I don't think this is a controversial statement or a pessimistic one even.

So what is your point?

 

[MarioLeMoose]

I don't know why you think it's a "flex" at all. The person I was responding to said he hadn't been healthy for a season dating back to Junior and I simply pointed out that isn't true.

No need to be flexxing your simple fact around here. What you should be doing is crying about management and blaming Dach for not bracing himself properly on a nothing hit.

 

[waffledave]

Chicago got rid of a lot of guys, not just Dach. They let Kubalik go for free, they traded Hagel and Debrincat who were in their early 20s at the time. It was clearly a firesale.

 

[Andy]

Chicago got rid of a lot of guys, not just Dach. They let Kubalik go for free, they traded Hagel and Debrincat who were in their early 20s at the time. It was clearly a firesale.

This logical response does not satisfy one's need to blame management for everything.

 

[Habs Icing]

Marinaro says season over.

Are you sure he wasn't referring to his show?

 

[sampollock]

Just gutted for the kid..

Have your whole season stolen away on just a fluke result of a hit.

Thankfully there's been so much progress on ACL/MCL reconstruction that he should be able to recover and come back without it being a massive impediment. His game isn't predicated around speed so if he loses a little bit of oomph it won't hamper him too much.

That's how I feel as well

 

[salbutera]

Still don't know what to say.
I am not a medical expert and have not seen his MRI report or other diagnoses. I don't know how many months it will take and I can't predict how it will affect his career.
The only thing I know for sure is that Kirby will do his best to recover, just like what he did after the WJC accident.
My only hope is that the habs will give him the time and space to not hold a meaningless press conference in which he tells reporters how frustrated he is.

Should be ready to go 6-8 months post surgery.

As others have mentioned with arthroscopic procedures now, ACL reconstruction has become a pretty standard procedure - assuming it’s only ligament damage and no trauma to other structural areas as I was told before my procedure

Side note, ACL will never recover 100% strength as the original

 

[CzarDemidov]

Chicago got rid of a lot of guys, not just Dach. They let Kubalik go for free, they traded Hagel and Debrincat who were in their early 20s at the time. It was clearly a firesale.

Hagel was sold for a significant return -- (while Hughes held onto Anderson)
Debrincat was a mismatch with Chicago's rebuild -- like Hughes determined with Toffoli and Lehkonen
Kubalik's age profile didn't match the rebuild either

Dach was what 21 when he was traded -- It would be like the Habs selling Caufield in their firesale. It wouldn't have happened without other motivations and factors involved.

 

[Andy]

Hagel was sold for a significant return -- (while Hughes held onto Anderson)

Hagel was 23 years old getting paid 1.5 million. Trying to contrast this trade (in what appears to be a negative way) with the Habs keeping an older player on a longer term, higher cap hit contract is disingenuous.

As for the rest of the trades (Debrincat, Kubalik, Dach), they all fit with the mindset of having to tank. The hawks didn't just dump Dach. They dumped all their productive youth for a chance at Bedard.

To suggest that Dach was some sort outlier due to injuries is just peddling in conspiracies so you can fulfill a narrative that you are smarter than Hughes and Co.

 

[Tyson]

This injury to Dach has really zapped my enthusiasm for this season.

 

[waffledave]

Hagel was sold for a significant return -- (while Hughes held onto Anderson)
Debrincat was a mismatch with Chicago's rebuild -- like Hughes determined with Toffoli and Lehkonen
Kubalik's age profile didn't match the rebuild either

Dach was what 21 when he was traded -- It would be like the Habs selling Caufield in their firesale. It wouldn't have happened without other motivations and factors involved.

All the players I mentioned were traded at 22 to 25 years old. Not exactly old. It was very clearly a firesale in Chicago, there were other useful pieces moved during that period too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Chicago got rid of a lot of guys, not just Dach. They let Kubalik go for free, they traded Hagel and Debrincat who were in their early 20s at the time. It was clearly a firesale.

Both DeBrincat and Hagel were 23. And Hagel wasn't seen as the guy who is doing what he does now. Kubalik was 26.

Dach was 20. A 3rd overall pick. A huge C and Chicago was going to lose Toews. It's not a firesale at all compared to the other players. Though it could NOT be exclusively related to being injury prone, I don't think you can compare him to the other players you did. Though maybe DeBrincat could be included in the conversation.

 

[Andy]

Both DeBrincat and Hagel were 23. And Hagel wasn't seen as the guy who is doing what he does now. Kubalik was 26.

Dach was 20. A 3rd overall pick. A huge C and Chicago was going to lose Toews. It's not a firesale at all compared to the other players. Though it could NOT be exclusively related to being injury prone, I don't think you can compare him to the other players you did. Though maybe DeBrincat could be included in the conversation.

They also traded a 20 year old Adam Boqvist.

I think y'all are trying way, way, way to hard too try to create a narrative that is just dumb.

Hagel 23
Kubaik 26
DeBrincat 23
Dylan Strome 23
Dach 20
Boqvist 20

The Hawks were dumping talent

 

[DAChampion]

It's pretty lame that people are using this freak injury to argue that Hughes lost the Romanov trade.

The injury saps my enthusiasm for the Habs, and the inane hot takes sap my enthusiasm for the forum.

 

[WeeBey]

This injury to Dach has really zapped my enthusiasm for this season.

Seriously. Not just because he's out, but I also thought his presence was going to be huge for Slaf's development and confidence.

 

[Andy]

The injury saps my enthusiasm for the Habs, and the inane hot takes sap my enthusiasm for the forum.

No sentence captures my feelings more accurately right now.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seriously. Not just because he's out, but I also thought his presence was going to be huge for Slaf's development and confidence.

Exactly where my mind is at. Slaf needs Dach's puck possession skills. It frees up space for Slaf to do this thing and gain confidence.

Newhook is going to be tested at center. This is not about where we finish in the standings. It's about the ripple effects to others in the line-up when you take out a center like Dach.

Development time lost/delayed. Maybe this gives us a better pick but man... these key injuries are annoying

 

[DemidovSZN]

It's pretty lame that people are using this freak injury to argue that Hughes lost the Romanov trade.

The injury saps my enthusiasm for the Habs, and the inane hot takes sap my enthusiasm for the forum.

People who were crying on the day of the trade can’t argue with his play on the ice and progress as a big time player so they had to wait on something to get out of their holes.

 

[LesHabitants]

Are you sure he wasn't referring to his show?

I enjoy watching him use that spray bottle. Pretty entertaining.

 

[Redux91]

Just gutted for the kid..

Have your whole season stolen away on just a fluke result of a hit.

Thankfully there's been so much progress on ACL/MCL reconstruction that he should be able to recover and come back without it being a massive impediment. His game isn't predicated around speed so if he loses a little bit of oomph it won't hamper him too much.

At least it happened in October instead of March honestly..

 

[admiralcadillac]

So for the goobers saying Chicago traded Dach because of his injury issues - on what planet are doctors able to determine likeliness of a torn mcl on the basis of a slash that breaks a wrist?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

At least it happened in October instead of March honestly..

I'm not sure I understand why it'd be better for Dach to miss the entire season as opposed to playing most of it and having a lot of the recovery happen in the off-season if he got injured in March.

This is looking like a worst case scenario for us.

 

[Tyson]

At least it happened in October instead of March honestly..

I am not following the logic