Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Kobe Armstrong]

It's odd how the Hawks didn't use their precognition superpowers to not draft Nazar who got injured for the whole season early on last year when they obviously knew that Dach's wrist injury would inevitably lead to a combined ACL and MCL sprain 2 years later.

I don't like Nazar much either, but any time you trade 13th overall + 2 3rd round picks, the expectation is that the player you return is a great contributor

 

[viceroy]

To be fair, injuries are a major concern with every player in the league except maybe kessel lol.

We gotta get this team on the Kessel hot dog diet.

This started around ten years ago. There's a vocal contingent of this community that would rather be "right" about their hot takes in terms of lineup construction to the point that they will openly root against players or sometimes the team itself if they feel it will support their "opinion."

Could be worse, could be a poster that hangs around the Main boards on every Habs thread and calls his fellow Habs fans idiots to placate fans from other teams.

I blame this all on Pierre Gauthier.

Waitaminute! Are they still serving Vegan snacks aboard the Habs jet? That could be it.

Welcome to Montreal Celibrini/Eiserman

No way no how we win the Draft Lottery.

You'll be back better than ever

Probably not.

You can , but it takes a year atleast and most people would say after that they are at 80-90% recovered could be longer to get back to 100%.

The only positive thing is that he's pretty young.

I was in my early 20's when I blew out my knee. Never been the same.

IIRC Markov was injured, and they didn't do the full remedy to the knee, he got injured again. then they did the full surgery route and he was actually a very healthy player from then on.

Yeah but speed was never an integral part of Markov's game. He was a cerebral player with near perfect positioning, funny since he wasn't originally a Dman. Whereas much of Dach's game would be affected by him being a notch slower.

 

[Mrb1p]

Who cares about RHP, Dvorak or Evans?

Dach’s development is now on hold for a year. More important than any of the plugs.

RHP isnt a plug. Bringing down another player to make one appear more important is plain stupid.

Both players are important to the future of the team

 

[SlafySZN]

RHP isnt a plug. Bringing down another player to make one appear more important is plain stupid.

Both players are important to the future of the team

Not the same importance, at all.

 

[Dach Vader]

Terrible news for the guy. I hope he'll recover well.

This really puts a sour mood on the season, he's a key player to watch.

 

[Scriptor]

You think he's bummed out? Imagine if we fail to make the playoffs without him in the last week of the season when he would have been ready to comeback in the playoffs?

 

[Habaddict]

Idk how many other guys before Dach tore their ACL and MCL at a young age. But I hope his rehab is rock solid.

There's guys like Ben Patrick (kneesovertoes) absolutely wreck his knees with multiple surgeries, and now he's poster boy for knee health. Totally revamped his body, he's an athletic beast

In hockey Malkin tore both. Was said to be out for.one
calander year' from Dec to Dec. Came back early, and play most
of the season without Crosby. He scored 50goals, 52 assists,
won the scoring race, the Hart trophy, and the Ted Linsey
trophy. So it's not always a disaster.
Unfortunately the possability exists. Every body is different.

 

[River Meadow]

Terrible news for the guy. I hope he'll recover well.

This really puts a sour mood on the season, he's a key player to watch.

Basically.

May as well tank this year and hope he is back healthy next year.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Basically.

May as well tank this year and hope he is back healthy next year.

with or without him , we were not above bottom 10. If Suzuki or Caufield are injured expect a bottom 3. I hope not , this team is already vanilla enough

 

[Toene]

It's odd how the Hawks didn't use their precognition superpowers to not draft Nazar who got injured for the whole season early on last year when they obviously knew that Dach's wrist injury would inevitably lead to a combined ACL and MCL sprain 2 years later.

Please mods sticky this post at the top of every page of this thread.

 

[JianYang]

Oh man... I didn't even thing this was a possiblity as a worst case scenario. Just awful.

 

[FourQuarters]

Still don't know what to say.
I am not a medical expert and have not seen his MRI report or other diagnoses. I don't know how many months it will take and I can't predict how it will affect his career.
The only thing I know for sure is that Kirby will do his best to recover, just like what he did after the WJC accident.
My only hope is that the habs will give him the time and space to not hold a meaningless press conference in which he tells reporters how frustrated he is.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Just accept that we traded premium assets for an injury prone guy who ended up getting us 40 points in 60 games spanning 2 full seasons

Romanov and a couple of 3rds? Lmao, nah. I couldn’t give a shit less about what we gave up for Dach. I still make that trade 10/10 times. You can give up on Kirby’s career all you want, but I have nothing but belief in this kid.

 

[Rob Sense]

I don't like Nazar much either, but any time you trade 13th overall + 2 3rd round picks, the expectation is that the player you return is a great contributor

Injuries are not part of the calculation because nobody can predict the future and foresee fluke injuries. Price is LTIR does that mean that we should have never drafted him??? Not that we can perform magic and go back in time. People here need to take a valium...what is done is done. He will recuperate and be back. Case closed.

 

[ReHabs]

Injuries are not part of the calculation because nobody can predict the future and foresee fluke injuries. Price is LTIR does that mean that we should have never drafted him??? Not that we can perform magic and go back in time. People here need to take a valium...what is done is done. He will recuperate and be back. Case closed.

I agree, I think excessive criticism of the Dach trade is cheap today. Extra cheap. No one can predict injuries. I'd avoid players with injury histories (Reason 1 why I was against the trade at that time) and I thought the Habs had a long re-build ahead of them that needn't be rushed (Reason 2 why I was against the trade at that time). Dach, despite his injuries, has shown to be a worthwhile gamble. Relitigating the trade today is unfair but unavoidable.

A note on Price: There is a strong argument to be made against giving him that mega contract 11.5 months ahead of time, only to see Price get catastrophically injured before the contract started. Given Price's injury history leading up to that point, and the Habs' hopeless prospect pool -- it would've been savvy and deft of Bergevin to manage his assets appropriately. But the season prior he traded Subban for Weber and was committed to the Weber-Price duo.

Price was one of the best players in the NHL and his contract was perfectly fair for his role and ability but within context of the Habs it wasn't optimal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oh man... I didn't even thing this was a possiblity as a worst case scenario. Just awful.

Habs can't have nice things it appears. Seems like we are encountering long term injuries to key players year after year.

I was hoping for some forward line consistency this year and bang... Dach goes down just when we thought we would have a good 2nd line with Newhook / Dach / Slaf.

Regardless of the line shuffling, this affects Slaf IMO.

Injuries are not part of the calculation because nobody can predict the future and foresee fluke injuries. Price is LTIR does that mean that we should have never drafted him??? Not that we can perform magic and go back in time. People here need to take a valium...what is done is done. He will recuperate and be back. Case closed.

This is true but it's deflating. These are development years for even Dach and he's had a fair amount of time missed in his career now. Not saying he will always get injured more and more in the future but man... these are games he is missing and a player like Slaf needs Dach in the line-up and Dach is still in development himself.

 

[Cournoyer12]

Oh man... I didn't even thing this was a possiblity as a worst case scenario. Just awful.

We just can’t have nice things, the Patrick Roy curse continues!

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't like Nazar much either, but any time you trade 13th overall + 2 3rd round picks, the expectation is that the player you return is a great contributor

You don't get a chance to add a talent like Dach for 13th OA and two 3rd round picks that often. Most teams hold onto a player like Dach and usually, the players being offered are age 28-30+.

 

[ReHabs]

You don't get a chance to add a talent like Dach for 13th OA and two 3rd round picks that often. Most teams hold onto a player like Dach and usually, the players being offered are age 28-30+.

So why did Chicago, a team that was very recently a dominant dynasty and knows how to win, give up on Dach when they did? His value as an NHL-asset was impacted by his injury history and recovery history. It's perfectly fine to say so. We got him for as cheap as we did because of his injury history and the fact he wasn't an established NHL producer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So why did Chicago, a team that was very recently a dominant dynasty and knows how to win, give up on Dach when they did?

Same reason they gave up on Debrincat. They wanted to tank for Bedard. Duh. A healthy Dach returning with Debrincat could have produced a few more wins. They cleary wanted to rebuild from scratch.

What are you trying to say? They knew the wrist injury would heal but he would get a knee injury?

 

[Rob Sense]

So why did Chicago, a team that was very recently a dominant dynasty and knows how to win, give up on Dach when they did? His value as an NHL-asset was impacted by his injury history and recovery history. It's perfectly fine to say so. We got him for as cheap as we did because of his injury history and the fact he wasn't an established NHL producer.

There was a stink on the organization with the scandal and they decided to tear it all down and go for Bedard...lucky as F*** but it worked.

 

[ReHabs]

What are you trying to say? They knew the wrist injury would heal but he would get a knee injury?

Nothing special: they traded him because his injury history impacted his development and therefore impacted his value to the organization. The offer they got from the Habs was more valuable to their organization than retaining the player. It could very well be a 'win-win' trade because the Habs definitely got a skilled player with good pedigree for cheaper than they would have otherwise... but he was cheaper for a reason: his development was going wrong, due largely to his injury problems.

There was a stink on the organization with the scandal and they decided to tear it all down and go for Bedard...lucky as F*** but it worked.

They didn't sell-off all their assets. They were judicious in how they did it. I don't think it's fair to say they sold Dach because they wanted Bedard. They sold Dach because they liked what they could get out of the Habs in exchange for him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nothing special: they traded him because his injury history impacted his development and therefore impacted his value to the organization. The offer they got from the Habs was more valuable to their organization than retaining the player. It could very well be a 'win-win' trade because the Habs definitely got a skilled player with good pedigree for cheaper than they would have otherwise... but he was cheaper for a reason: his development was going wrong, due largely to his injury problems.


They didn't sell-off all their assets. They were judicious in how they did it. I don't think it's fair to say they sold Dach because they wanted Bedard. They sold Dach because they liked what they could get out of the Habs in exchange for him.

Glass is always half empty with you eh? You need a break... You're trying to tie his wrist injury with the Hawks in which he recovered from... to an knee injury with the Habs. It's a reach.

A potential future knee injury is not the reason they traded Dach. Were they worried he might not recover from his wrist injury? That would be a fair angle to take bud.

 

[ReHabs]

Glass is always half empty with you eh? You need a break... You're trying to tie his wrist injury with the Hawks in which he recovered from... to an knee injury with the Habs. It's a reach.

A potential future knee injury is not the reason they traded Dach. Were they worried he might not recover from his wrist injury? That would be a fair angle to take bud.

No sir, it's a comment on the Dach trade in general. There is no connection between his injuries (that we know) other than how it relates to him as an NHL trade-asset. We got him for relatively cheap because injuries had impacted his development. I don't think this is a controversial statement or a pessimistic one even.

 

[FerrisRox]

One healthy season in 5 isn’t really the flex you think it is.

Whether it’s being weak or just terrible bad luck, it’s still a recurring theme.

I don't know why you think it's a "flex" at all. The person I was responding to said he hadn't been healthy for a season dating back to Junior and I simply pointed out that isn't true.