Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I disagree on Seider again, I think you're having a bit of recency bias. He looked good at the WJC D1 and the WC but he was seen as a reach at 6 as Bob had him 10 spots later. He was kinda like Reinbacher where not a lot of people knew about him and a lot questionned his offensive upside.

I mean sure he's low as of today, can't have everything, but on draft day one could argue I overranked him, which is a generally good thing.

Don't think you're wrong on Dorofeyev, he's looking like he will be a heck of a player and Vegas fans are thrilled.


They wanted to tank. They even kept Reichel down because he was doing too good for them.

They had a vision and it paid off. Would've paid off too if they got Carlsson and Fantilli and even Michkov. They were not wrong. I guess limiting Dach's ice-time could also have worked though.

There's something to be said about priming your assets though. Going into a rebuild in 2022 with a 2019 draftee is good, but in two years when players start arriving he would be 25, a lot can change in that time frame. There's also something to be said about Dach being the perfect complement to Bedard, lol. He brings the size and speed that Bedard just doesn't have and he also can play on his wing as an ace playmaker.

Oh I didn't know that about Dorothy. Didn't we pass on him in the 2nd? That would sting.

I was very high on Seider and I wasn't alone. He rose very fast leading up to the draft. I wanted him to fall to us but I was positive he wouldn't. That's why I'm saying low-ish because you probably had your guys fairly locked in by that point as did many scouts.

No recency bias at all. I think many are forgetting that many people started drooling over him just before the draft. That's why I was excited when people were saying he looked better than Seider in his draft year. The narrative now is Seider's insane development curve, which I'm not disagreeing with but there were plenty of people here who were very very high on him. He really wasn't that off the board. 6 was fairly high though even with his stock rising but really not by much. I was fairly certain he wasn't dropping out of the top 10

 

[SlafySZN]

Kirby wake up, Dach is having a breakout season this year

 

[HabsAddict]

Extremely impressed.

If this game is any indication, Dach may become our 1C

 

[Redux91]

Extremely impressed.

If this game is any indication, Dach may become our 1C

What if the answer is
Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

 

[themilosh]

What if the answer is
Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

Id prefer to put Money with suzuki/cc snd develop Dach/Slaf with Newhook.. new NHL you need two top lines..

 

[Adriatic]

What if the answer is
Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

That would work for sure, but what's the rush? I think they'd rather try to develop 3 solid lines before going this route.

 

[HabsAddict]

What if the answer is
Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

I would use Dach as a winger in that scenario, but, we are better off as Dach being a center.

If we got Dubois, this team would be knocking on a playoff spot.

 

[calder candidate]

Dach will be the most dominant player on this team.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

What if the answer is
Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

Thats definitely not the answer because Monahan is 29 years old and has at most only a couple of good hockey years left.

 

[Scriptor]

Thats definitely not the answer because Monahan is 29 years old and has at most only a couple of good hockey years left.

It doesn't need to be a long term solution with Monahan -- Just long enough for Newhook and Slafkovsky to reach another level and for Newhook to play with confidence so that he can switch to Center.

Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

Becomes...

Caufield - Dach - Suzuki
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Roy
RHP - Beck- Anderson/Heineman

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

It doesn't need to be a long term solution with Monahan -- Just long enough for Newhook and Slafkovsky to reach another level and for Newhook to play with confidence so that he can switch to Center.

Caufield-Dach-Suzuki
Newhook-Monahan-Slafkovsky?

Becomes...

Caufield - Dach - Suzuki
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Roy
RHP - Beck- Anderson/Heineman

That plan doesn't make any sense.
You're placing Suzuki, who's the habs best forward and center at wing, and are hoping meanwhile that Newhook can become a top 6 center by developing him on the wing.

The center position is also the most important position at forward. So it doesn't make sense to worsen the center depth to improve the wing depth.

 

[Scriptor]

That plan doesn't make any sense.
You're placing Suzuki, who's the habs best forward and center at wing, and are hoping meanwhile that Newhook can become a top 6 center by developing him on the wing.

The center position is also the most important position at forward. So it doesn't make sense to worsen the center depth to improve the wing depth.

Dach or Suzuki on RW, it's the same thing. That makes for a helluva 1st line. I honestly think Newhook is better at C. At the very least he can use all of his skill set at that position.

A 2nd line of Slafkovsky - Newhook - Roy would be pretty good.

Still, I'd prefer a C-line of Suzuki - Dach - Newhook - Beck in the future , or Dach - Suzuki - Newhook - Beck, if Dach continues to improve and takes the next step.

We still need high end, quality wingers - Two top-6 wingers, to be exact. Roy and Heineman can play with Newhook. Anderson can serve as trade bait, along with draft capital, to get a younger, top-6 forward in the 2025 offseason.

 

[MadMslm]

Honestly, Dach is just good at every facet in every facet of the game that it’s disturbing.

Other than faceoffs and shooting, he has everything to be a dominant force.

Tonight, he seemed go fumble the puck a few times in the offensive zone which isn’t like him, but still ended up with two assists (and would have finished with three if the Caufield goal was good).

I’m eager to see what highs he will reach this season.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The thing is, Dach is going to be regarded as our best player before the season is out.

 

[Colezuki]

I saw him in the preseason comeback in Toronto and turned to my gf and said “I need a dach jersey”. Quietly morphing into my favorite player with caufield and Suzuki. Suzuki’s true breakout year would be Dachs next year so excited to see what will happen there as time goes by. He had a couple shifts where he started to take the game over and the kid line is just a puck possession monster, new hooks speed and slaf and Dachs size and reach just make it so difficult

 

[Sagikev]

I'd redo that trade 11 times out of 10. Doesn't matter how good Nazar ends up being, or how good Romanov is, Dach is exactly what this team needed. We did it folks, we finally have our big, skilled, physical, 2-way top-6 center

 

[Seb]

Dach is turning into our first line center before our eyes very quickly. Wow what a player!

 

[Jaynki]

He is incredible. What a beast.

I will say it again but people that excuse this trade from the Blackhawks POV because they got Bedard, its f***ing lunatic.

They sold Dach for a f***ing 13OV pick. . . I just don't know what to say. Terrible asset management. Franchise killing trade.

They may never have the chance to acquire such a center during Bedard tenure. These type of C are rarely available as UFA and you have to be lucky to draft them. They are untouchable in trades.

Well who cares, he is ours now and he will be our 1C.

That 2022 draft will be iconic for our franchise.

 

[Andy]

He has a covert mean streak in him.

Also, he's slowly creating that excitement where you think something will happen every time he touches the puck.

 

[Gustave]

He is incredible. What a beast.

I will say it again but people that excuse this trade from the Blackhawks POV because they got Bedard, its f***ing lunatic.

They sold Dach for a f***ing 13OV pick. . . I just don't know what to say. Terrible asset management. Franchise killing trade.

They may never have the chance to acquire such a center during Bedard tenure. These type of C are rarely available as UFA and you have to be lucky to draft them. They are untouchable in trades.

Well who cares, he is ours now and he will be our 1C.

That 2022 draft will be iconic for our franchise.

The Hawks don't care anymore about anything other than Bedard, incredibly sad but it did work out for them in the end. I would look at it the same way too... I mean Bedard changes everything and i'm pissed they got him. UFA's will flock there... nauseating.

From our stand point.... we got something we lacked and we aren't giving it back Hugo made out like bandits and like you, It's all I care about at this point. Man he's getting good!

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

some people called us crazy for not wanting to trade Dach for Dubois

Its not just about yesterday's game but even at the end of last season he showed us his potentiel

Kirby can become a 1C in this league

 

[Vachon23]

Kirby can become a 1C in this league

On a good team yes but not in a contending team expect maybe if you have a franchise game breaking winger what MTL don’t have

 

[KevSkillz4]

I will say that again... Dach have the highest potential in Habs team. Caufield, Suzuki and Slaf are and will be great, they are amazing aswell, but the combo of Dach is just incredible, big, skate, two-way, protection of puck, hands, passing.

He is literally Ryan Getzlaf 2.0.

 

[Vachon23]

He is literally Ryan Getzlaf 2.0.

He’s not Getzlaf, he was one of the best player of his generation.

He will be a good player though

 

[MarioLeMoose]

What an absolute beast this kid is. Loving the dark tinted visor as well, he means business this year. 75pt season incoming.