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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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SuzukiSZN said:
I mean, some think Suzuki is a 1C and he haven’t come close to this…
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IMO, it's more that Suzuki has the potential to be a legit #1 C because he's continually progressed while on a shitty team. A PPG production is still possible for Suzuki if he keeps progressing as he has done so far.

There is no reason not to want to see that happen. All the better if both he and Dach reach those point totals! We'd be well on our way touching a potent offense, with a solid shutdown 3rd line C in Beck that could help provide secondary scoring.

I'd definitely working favour of getting Suzuki to a PPG pace as he enters his prime.I'd be looking for Dach to keep building uptown that level production -- as Suzuki has done -- as a 23 and a 24 yr-old. By the time he is 25, in 2 and half years, we would be well set with Dach joining Suzuki as a PPG C at that point.

We need a sidekick for both Suzuki and Dach. Some are already talking about Caufield for one and Newhook for the other.

Personally, I'm quite comfortable with keeping Caufield as Suzuki's sidekick, but I'mmore one to see Slafkovsky as Dach's eventual sidekick, 2 thirds of the way to forming a heavy, productive, offensive line that will be something else to handle.

We'd be lacking that third portion of the line in the current system, but could likely acquire themishing piece through a trader the UFA market once we solidify the Suzuki line with their own missing piece.

If Roy ends up playing on a 3rd line with Beck and, maybe, Newhook, we'd still be down a long term complement for our two top lines.

Maybe it becomes Salfkovsky - Dach - Heineman? He'd definitely match the cycle game dynamic of that line and add speed, all at the same time.

Hughes would have to find the missing element for the Caufield - Suzuki duo, a player who could drive the play and be strong in puck possession?

If that's the real missing piece, in the end, it would be worth into sacrifice some futures to get this player.
 
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BehindTheTimes said:
You made an entire line with players who may have no long term future with the Habs at all.

RHP, Beck, Roy. I guess we never learn on these boards, if I had a dollar for every time we made a lineup of prospects only to see it miss majorly I’d be rich.
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Not saying i want this line, but in due time this kind of line with that kind of players (see the question marks meaning 'maybe' in my original text), would be the kind of 3rd line I would like to see. Border top 6 material (i would hope the top 6 is better than that so they be used on a 3rd). One may switch Roy for Heineman and Beck is looking very good to make it soon enough but you get the drift.

I don't want another Dvorak at that age/price on the 3rd even though i think Dvorak is a pretty okay player when healthy (better than some here whine about) but i would see him on a 4th at 2.2 and be good with it, not at 4+. No Armia / Hoffman / burned Gally / Byron on 3rd/4th either. Young, fiesty, cheap with good size (rhp being the smallest).

Makes me think Mesar will be groomed and then traded. Likely same with Kidney. How many 3rd line profiles can a team keep? some will break out, keep skills/size/skate/ethic and part with the assets that don't fit. 4th line profile to me is more like the Xhekaj/Davidson/Tuch and from these you ask a different game. Does'nt mean these guys...
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
I think he'll do somewhere around 60 points this year, 20 goals. Again though, that number goes up if CC is his full time RW.

Anything higher and I think everyone here is thrilled.

And yes, valid point on Niedermayer, Pronger... and Selanne who we all forgot.
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So much play driven from the backend they were a stacked team and should probably have won more than one cup.
 
Scriptor said:
It doesn't sound like it, though, from all the catering to Dach's progress at C at the expense of Suzuki continuing to progress beyond his current production level.

It's notably giving Suzuki RHP and Anderson that he will produce more than 66 points this upcoming season.

The only winger that has the projectable potential of helping Caufield-Suzuki produce at a high level is Monahan, if we don't just hand over Caufield to Dach. Unfortunately, for me, I would like Monahan to play with Dach if Dach plays at C, so it's another conundrum.

Again, ideally, we still lack a genuine 2nd line winger to complete the Suzuki-Caufield duo if Dach plays at C this season.

Many of our younger wingers are still developing and playing them with Suzuki, or Dach, as their Cs, won't necessarily help either Suzuki or Dach from reaching a higher level of production.

We need to stop projecting a player's eventual potential to today's production when we pencil in different lineups.

Ideally, we'd have:

Caufield - Suzuki - Other genuine top-6 winger to help Caufield and Suzuki reach a different level. Someone like a Keller, but weldon't have that player in the system.

At the same time, for this season at C, to further his development, Dach would be flanked by Monahan on the left wing and Anderson on the right wing.

With another year of experience behind the belt, and Monahan gone via the trade route, Dach could get a younger winger than Monahan, like Newhook, on the left wing.

RHP could get a partner like Heineman, with similar tools to Anderson, to play with.
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For me, the idea of potentially trying Caufield with Dach is not at all because I think Dach will be better than Suzuki long term. It's more because RHP-Suzuki-Anderson showed really good chemistry. In particular RHP and Suzuki have good chemistry, and I think Caufield-Suzuki-RHP would be too small. So it's about maximizing the total you get out of the top 2 lines, even the top 3 lines.

Having said all of that, for sure Caufield amd Suzuki have amazing chemistry, and for sure it may best for the team and maximizing the top 3 lines to keep them together. But, lines often change and then go back together. At some point it may be good to try Caufield with Dach during one of those shake things up moments.

And ultimately it's so early now. We don't know how much of a step guys like Slaf, Newhook, RHP, Heineman, and even Ylonen will take this year. Each of them may change the picture completely.
 
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26Mats said:
For me, the idea of potentially trying Caufield with Dach is not at all because I think Dach will be better than Suzuki long term. It's more because RHP-Suzuki-Anderson showed really good chemistry. In particular RHP and Suzuki have good chemistry, and I think Caufield-Suzuki-RHP would be too small. So it's about maximizing the total you get out of the top 2 lines, even the top 3 lines.

Having said all of that, for sure Caufield amd Suzuki have amazing chemistry, and for sure it may best for the team and maximizing the top 3 lines to keep them together. But, lines often change and then go back together. At some point it may be good to try Caufield with Dach during one of those shake things up moments.

And ultimately it's so early now. We don't know how much of a step guys like Slaf, Newhook, RHP, Heineman, and even Ylonen will take this year. Each of them may change the picture completely.
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If I'm Hughes I give Newhook every opportunity to follow Dach's path. Play him with Suzuki and Caufield to see if he too can build confidence playing with those two. I'm betting Monahan Dvorak and Evans are on their way out sooner than later so we will need more centers down the road. I have no problem starting Beck on a fourth line when he arrives like we did Suzuki. What we really need at this point is our natural wingers to step up and earn their keep. We are still woefully thin on the flanks with top end talent though we do seem to have an over-abundance of third line guys. Having guys like Anderson and RHP step up and take top line minutes is a sure sign we aren't close to where we need to be.
 
Kaladin said:
The injury is a factor I hadn't fully accounted for. Good shoutout.

And yes - he's going to need to shoot a lot more + maintain last season's shooting % for this to work as I alluded to in another post.
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Msl will tell him to shoot more. No doubt. The goal should be 200 sog
 
Scriptor said:
IMO, it's more that Suzuki has the potential to be a legit #1 C because he's continually progressed while on a shitty team. A PPG production is still possible for Suzuki if he keeps progressing as he has done so far.

There is no reason not to want to see that happen. All the better if both he and Dach reach those point totals! We'd be well on our way touching a potent offense, with a solid shutdown 3rd line C in Beck that could help provide secondary scoring.

I'd definitely working favour of getting Suzuki to a PPG pace as he enters his prime.I'd be looking for Dach to keep building uptown that level production -- as Suzuki has done -- as a 23 and a 24 yr-old. By the time he is 25, in 2 and half years, we would be well set with Dach joining Suzuki as a PPG C at that point.

We need a sidekick for both Suzuki and Dach. Some are already talking about Caufield for one and Newhook for the other.

Personally, I'm quite comfortable with keeping Caufield as Suzuki's sidekick, but I'mmore one to see Slafkovsky as Dach's eventual sidekick, 2 thirds of the way to forming a heavy, productive, offensive line that will be something else to handle.

We'd be lacking that third portion of the line in the current system, but could likely acquire themishing piece through a trader the UFA market once we solidify the Suzuki line with their own missing piece.

If Roy ends up playing on a 3rd line with Beck and, maybe, Newhook, we'd still be down a long term complement for our two top lines.

Maybe it becomes Salfkovsky - Dach - Heineman? He'd definitely match the cycle game dynamic of that line and add speed, all at the same time.

Hughes would have to find the missing element for the Caufield - Suzuki duo, a player who could drive the play and be strong in puck possession?

If that's the real missing piece, in the end, it would be worth into sacrifice some futures to get this player.
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Good post. I have been thinking the same. Habs need one more very good top six winger. Ideally that can play c also.

The d looks pretty good but top 6 offense needs one more highly effective player.

Not worried about bottom six. Tons of potential there. Although it would be good to have a decently skilled big bruiser on the fourth line to take the pressure and injury risk instead of jack

As for goalies. Well Habs keep drafting them. Maybe one of them pans out.

But Habs really need one more highly skilled top 6 winger.
 
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Rapala said:
If I'm Hughes I give Newhook every opportunity to follow Dach's path. Play him with Suzuki and Caufield to see if he too can build confidence playing with those two. I'm betting Monahan Dvorak and Evans are on their way out sooner than later so we will need more centers down the road. I have no problem starting Beck on a fourth line when he arrives like we did Suzuki. What we really need at this point is our natural wingers to step up and earn their keep. We are still woefully thin on the flanks with top end talent though we do seem to have an over-abundance of third line guys. Having guys like Anderson and RHP step up and take top line minutes is a sure sign we aren't close to where we need to be.
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RHP and Anderson should be the 3rd line wingers with a better offensive C than Dvorak (New- hook? Monahan?)

That still makes us one, two, or three talented top-6 wingers away from icing a proper top-6 ahead that third line.

Slafkovsky may be one of the three missing, but he may also not be ready for that role yet.

Newhook's potential needs to be re-examined with better game situations and better TOI this season, but that's also not certain.

We're still, even if all pans out on the wing with Slafkovsky and Newhook, missing a top-6 winger with talent.

Beyond that, all of Suzuki, Dach and Caufield need to take another step forward.

Lots of potential, but lots of uncertainty, still, in Hab Land.
 
More shots comes from higher confidence in your shot power and accuracy. He has to be obsessed at improving in that area vs just having it as a side thing he is working on because the coaches asked him too.
 
In today's interview, I noticed Kirby didn't say he wants to "be the man he's supposed to be", that he always said in the past 3 years. He said he just want to work "day by day".
I think it's a good sign, he finally put off the pressure he had put on himself and is comfortable with the situation.
 
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FourQuarters said:
In today's interview, I noticed Kirby didn't say he wants to "be the man he's supposed to be", that he always said in the past 3 years. He said he just want to work "day by day".
I think it's a good sign, he finally put off the pressure he had put on himself and is comfortable with the situation.
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He looks a little more relaxed compared to how he was before. Even at the beginning of last season you could see him being kinda unsure.
 
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