Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Logosarejusttargets]

We have the sixth most penalty minutes. If the league is fixing officiating in our favor, I don't ever want to be on their bad side.

Oh believe me - I hate doing that whole "blame the ref" crap that 67's fans do. All season I have seen plenty of dumb and deserved penalties by Burns, Uens etc... but last night was an exception to my normal rule. I don't think Kingston would have won anyway - but honestly that was really awful officiating.

 

[Kingpin794]

Oh believe me - I hate doing that whole "blame the ref" crap that 67's fans do. All season I have seen plenty of dumb and deserved penalties by Burns, Uens etc... but last night was an exception to my normal rule. I don't think Kingston would have won anyway - but honestly that was really awful officiating.

I get that. There's always a crew or two that every team has to deal with that you know from the jump will be sketchy.

It stinks. Not a lot of people want to be refs in junior hockey. Got to use the pool of people that you can get.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

I get that. There's always a crew or two that every team has to deal with that you know from the jump will be sketchy.

It stinks. Not a lot of people want to be refs in junior hockey. Got to use the pool of people that you can get.

I can't see why you wouldn't want to be the target of abuse by coaches, players and fans alike no matter what you do.....seems like a great gig.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Draft Ranking TSN Bobby Mac --- Gabe Frasca with the Honourable Mention :

 

[ScoutLife4]

There was no doubt a couple weak penalties but the way players like Burns and Uens continuously respond by taking stupider penalties is just mind boggling.
I can't help but think STL organization must be a little concerned at what burns has become. -Or perhaps continues to be. Discipline has continued to be an issue with him and after every stupid penalty he takes he acts dumbfounded.
The one that really was a WTF moment was Ludwinski's head shot. -That hit is what they are trying to remove from the game and cannot happen. -He is not a dirty player and i think it was more of a sudden judgement lapse in a heated game. -It was a major every day of the week.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

There was no doubt a couple weak penalties but the way players like Burns and Uens continuously respond by taking stupider penalties is just mind boggling.
I can't help but think STL organization must be a little concerned at what burns has become. -Or perhaps continues to be. Discipline has continued to be an issue with him and after every stupid penalty he takes he acts dumbfounded.
The one that really was a WTF moment was Ludwinski's head shot. -That hit is what they are trying to remove from the game and cannot happen. -He is not a dirty player and i think it was more of a sudden judgement lapse in a heated game. -It was a major every day of the week.

I am waiting to see if he gets additional games for it. It was bad or at least at real time looked bad.

 

[leafs4life94]

I am waiting to see if he gets additional games for it. It was bad or at least at real time looked bad.

I was watching at home and they showed a couple replays and it was the textbook definition of the blindsiding hit they want out of the game. If I had to guess he gets two as a first time offender.

Based on the Whig article from this morning it looks like Mann is going to try and address it - Mann called Burns out by name for the lack of discipline and essentially said it's going to threaten his chances of playing at the next level.

Also - I read on the SAG thread that apparently Parekh was tossed for spitting on someone? I don't remember the announcers saying anything - did anyone see what happened? It was right at the end of the 2nd.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

I was watching at home and they showed a couple replays and it was the textbook definition of the blindsiding hit they want out of the game. If I had to guess he gets two as a first time offender.

Based on the Whig article from this morning it looks like Mann is going to try and address it - Mann called Burns out by name for the lack of discipline and essentially said it's going to threaten his chances of playing at the next level.

Also - I read on the SAG thread that apparently Parekh was tossed for spitting on someone? I don't remember the announcers saying anything - did anyone see what happened? It was right at the end of the 2nd.

It happened at the end of the second period, right at the Saginaw blueline. Vaccari even went after him

 

[frontsfan67]

Draft Ranking TSN Bobby Mac --- Gabe Frasca with the Honourable Mention :

Putting guys like O’Rielly, vanacker, Villenueve there above frasca, with no battaglia even mentioned is pretty confusing to say the least.

There was no doubt a couple weak penalties but the way players like Burns and Uens continuously respond by taking stupider penalties is just mind boggling.
I can't help but think STL organization must be a little concerned at what burns has become. -Or perhaps continues to be. Discipline has continued to be an issue with him and after every stupid penalty he takes he acts dumbfounded.
The one that really was a WTF moment was Ludwinski's head shot. -That hit is what they are trying to remove from the game and cannot happen. -He is not a dirty player and i think it was more of a sudden judgement lapse in a heated game. -It was a major every day of the week.

100% ludwinski didn’t mean to do that. Never has been dirty even once in his time with kingston and was visually shocked they called that a 5. I don’t think he should be suspended for that. That wasn’t even the worst hit that game. Hache made a bigger one that wasn’t even called

 

[frontsfan67]

I was watching at home and they showed a couple replays and it was the textbook definition of the blindsiding hit they want out of the game. If I had to guess he gets two as a first time offender.

Based on the Whig article from this morning it looks like Mann is going to try and address it - Mann called Burns out by name for the lack of discipline and essentially said it's going to threaten his chances of playing at the next level.

Also - I read on the SAG thread that apparently Parekh was tossed for spitting on someone? I don't remember the announcers saying anything - did anyone see what happened? It was right at the end of the 2nd.

Wow wonder if that hurts his chances of the prospects game lol wouldn’t that be something- not going because of spitting on someone.

Would explain why he got kicked out after the second period

 

[leafs4life94]

Putting guys like O’Rielly, vanacker, Villenueve there above frasca, with no battaglia even mentioned is pretty confusing to say the least.

I can somewhat understand Frasca based on his late start (who knows when the scouts were polled) but agreed I thought he'd at least be an HM. If Battaglia finds another gear I think he'll lock himself into the top 3 rounds.

The Bobfather is usually has the closest ties to what the NHL is thinking so there's gotta be something about his game that scouts aren't massive fans of.

 

[bcspragu]

Putting guys like O’Rielly, vanacker, Villenueve there above frasca, with no battaglia even mentioned is pretty confusing to say the least.


100% ludwinski didn’t mean to do that. Never has been dirty even once in his time with kingston and was visually shocked they called that a 5. I don’t think he should be suspended for that. That wasn’t even the worst hit that game. Hache made a bigger one that wasn’t even called

2 games for Ludwinski on the OHL media notes page

 

[Handcuffhockey]

I left yesterday’s game so disappointed by the OHL. I’m glad to see the vast majority of fans who watched the game be on the same level and not attack the players. Even people I ran into today in Kingston said the exact same thing, the reffing was one sided and completely in favour of Saginaw. Wasn’t even close. But of course it would be that bad, I’m sure Hache was at the game watching his officiating crew. Incredible the player Hache only got two minutes in penalties that whole game when Kingston had a parade route to the box.

The OHL has a bad enough time just with consistency between referees , but add the nonsense of yesterday and I don’t know anyone who feels good about It. We had more shots than Sag but we really only had one man advantage in the first that meant anything. I don’t blame any of the players, it’s tough to be out there playing and giving everything you got only to watch the officials take the game away from you, just seems like Kingston is getting the short end of the stick with some of these crews lately, guys like Ferguson and Stewart are just so bad for the game.

 

[frontsfan67]

2 games for Ludwinski on the OHL media notes page

Saw that. I said tho I don’t feel it’s suspension worthy. Obviously I’m not the ohl though just my opinion. Would say the same if it was a Saginaw player with the hit.

 

[frontsfan67]

I can somewhat understand Frasca based on his late start (who knows when the scouts were polled) but agreed I thought he'd at least be an HM. If Battaglia finds another gear I think he'll lock himself into the top 3 rounds.

The Bobfather is usually has the closest ties to what the NHL is thinking so there's gotta be something about his game that scouts aren't massive fans of.

He’s not a great skater, but other than that, atleast offensively he is probably one of the better guys from the ohl in the draft this year.

Maybe they feel playing with ludwinski is inflating his numbers? But the same could be said for Andrew basha on Medicine Hat in the whl just to name one particular guy. He’s playing with guys like Cayden Lindstrom (projected top 5 pick) and Gavin Mckenna (incredibly skilled 16yo, projected #1 pick in 2026)

In the off-season battaglia will probably work on defence and skating as the 2 big ones and then his shot.

I expect him to put up 40-50 goals next year, if he keeps his pace this year which is around mid 30’s for a full season.

 

[leafs4life94]

Missing both Ludwinski and Schmidt for two important games against Niagara and Brantford is not ideal - hopefully they can get their crap together.

I'm not sure if Frasca will be playing either with the prospects game in Moncton, but tif they're down Frasca as well as Ludwinski and Schmidt they'll need Vaccari to stand on his head and the rest of the team will need to step up.

If they can win a game without those guys, hopefully that'll kickstart some momentum.

 

[Handcuffhockey]

I wouldn’t have said this last year, but right now Battaglia in my opinion has improved so much I can see him being drafted well ahead of Frasca. Frasca seems very slow to me right now, most of the time I don’t even realize he’s on the ice when it’s 5 on 5. Now on the PP and 3 on 3, he’s been exceptional, he’s a smart player that can shoot the puck and find positioning but he also needs lots of room on the ice to be effective.

l’m not the biggest fan of Battaglia‘s softness, he’s had a lot of smaller guys push him around this season and he has given in each time. To me that’s his glaring flaw along with trying to do too much at times instead of making the simple pass. I‘m not worried about his skating, he’s big and will figure it out as he matures. I would like though to see him drop his gloves just once when getting pushed around otherwise players on other teams will know they can go after him hard with no repercussions and I see that happening more and more now that he’s getting more points. I’m not saying he needs to start being a fighter, just the opposite, by sticking up for himself or his team mates when needed, players will respect him more and think twice about taking him on. Just don’t take on a player who will rag doll you lol.

Battaglia looked great at camp and in pre-season, than Caputi knocked him down, Mann fixed that day 1 and Battaglia has played with a lot of confidence since.

 

[beastintheeast]

I can't see why you wouldn't want to be the target of abuse by coaches, players and fans alike no matter what you do.....seems like a great glot of the young refs do it because just like players are looking to go pro so are the rref

A lot of refs do it because they enjoy being part of the game.

Most I think do it because they have dreams of going pro.

We have all in our time seen what we called BAD refs. That being said, there are good ones or refs that no one realizes what they are doing.

How many of the old guards here remember Coleman? He just wanted to let them play unless it got out of hand. He also, and he made no bones about it, had players that, when they stepped on the ice, he kept his eye on. David Ling, Galbraith Stewart, Oduya. Players that you knew were capable and probable of doing something wrong.

I still remember a player complaining to the ref as he got hit, and Coleman just looked at him and told him it was not even close to what he got away with in the first period.

The challenge is that ref's now are scared. If they let a call go and the other team complains, they get called up. The beauty of the game used to be that you put the whistle away unless it was a flagrant call or could injure a person. Let the boys play.

They can not do that anymore.

 

[beastintheeast]

He’s not a great skater, but other than that, atleast offensively he is probably one of the better guys from the ohl in the draft this year.

Maybe they feel playing with ludwinski is inflating his numbers? But the same could be said for Andrew basha on Medicine Hat in the whl just to name one particular guy. He’s playing with guys like Cayden Lindstrom (projected top 5 pick) and Gavin Mckenna (incredibly skilled 16yo, projected #1 pick in 2026)

In the off-season battaglia will probably work on defence and skating as the 2 big ones and then his shot.

I expect him to put up 40-50 goals next year, if he keeps his pace this year which is around mid 30’s for a full season.

Battaglia will get drafted, really, unless you are in the first round and the money is better. It does not matter what round you are drafted in. You still have to go to camp and prove yourself.

If Frasca and Battaglia want to improve themselves it is simple. Speed and play a 200 ft game. There is a lot of players in the Kingston history that could score goals and put up the numbers but could not play a defensive role.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Battaglia will get drafted, really, unless you are in the first round and the money is better. It does not matter what round you are drafted in. You still have to go to camp and prove yourself.

If Frasca and Battaglia want to improve themselves it is simple. Speed and play a 200 ft game. There is a lot of players in the Kingston history that could score goals and put up the numbers but could not play a defensive role.

There is a lot of players in every JR hockey franchise that could score goals and can not play a defensive role.
Look at Luca Pinelli. -He has the defensive IQ of a broken hammer.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

I can somewhat understand Frasca based on his late start (who knows when the scouts were polled) but agreed I thought he'd at least be an HM. If Battaglia finds another gear I think he'll lock himself into the top 3 rounds.

The Bobfather is usually has the closest ties to what the NHL is thinking so there's gotta be something about his game that scouts aren't massive fans of.

He is an Honourable mention

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Missing both Ludwinski and Schmidt for two important games against Niagara and Brantford is not ideal - hopefully they can get their crap together.

I'm not sure if Frasca will be playing either with the prospects game in Moncton, but tif they're down Frasca as well as Ludwinski and Schmidt they'll need Vaccari to stand on his head and the rest of the team will need to step up.

If they can win a game without those guys, hopefully that'll kickstart some momentum.

Prospect game is Wednesday night, so I'd be surprised if he isn't in lineup Friday. IT's worth noting that McGowan was walking around with crutches after the game sunday -- probably from that shot block in the 2nd that stung him pretty good.

 

[ktownfan]

Mcgowan unfortunately i think is just one of those guys who has a hard time staying healthy. too bad, because i think he is a good 5-6 for us. Hope he heals up

 

[frontsfan67]

Battaglia will get drafted, really, unless you are in the first round and the money is better. It does not matter what round you are drafted in. You still have to go to camp and prove yourself.

If Frasca and Battaglia want to improve themselves it is simple. Speed and play a 200 ft game. There is a lot of players in the Kingston history that could score goals and put up the numbers but could not play a defensive role.

Beast I’m not sure if you watch fronts games but frasca IS a 200 foot player lol. Plays on pk too.

Battaglia no- more of a sniper and needs to work on 200 foot game but still has the second most points for a draft eligible forward out of the ohl (2nd to greentree, 3rd overall including parekh)

Mcgowan unfortunately i think is just one of those guys who has a hard time staying healthy. too bad, because i think he is a good 5-6 for us. Hope he heals up

Absolutely. He won’t ever be a star piece on this back end for us like burns or schmidt but he is a reliable defensive defenseman with some pretty good speed and throws his weight around. Is definitely a piece they need going forward.

 

[beastintheeast]

There is a lot of players in every JR hockey franchise that could score goals and can not play a defensive role.
Look at Luca Pinelli. -He has the defensive IQ of a broken hammer.

Agreed but how many make the NHL