LeBrun: Kings want 1st-round pick, prospect for Muzzin

[Amadeus]

Muzzin is a LHD so unless for a Gardiner replacement, I'd rather give more for Pietrangelo.

 

[Mats26]

Muzzin is overated so hugely

So is your english grammar.

 

[Boondock]

Ummmm....no, no they don't. That's why each team has the right to walk away. it may sound harsh, but i would hope Dubas doesn't overpay with assets he doesn't want to move just because LA says 'we need this". LA has every right to pass on any offer from any team if it doesn't work for them....but teams are only going to make offers that are in the best interest of themselves.

I was thinking more along the lines of regular Joes posting fake trade offers on a hockey board. It starts pissing matches when 1 team is addressing a need and offering redundant, unneeded pieces to another fan base, even if the value is there. For example offering the Canucks a young goalie prospect regardless of value in exchange for Jett Woo our only half-ass RHD prospect would get an adverse reaction even if the value of the individual players favoured the Canucks. That was my point.

 

[shortfuze]

I dont think you get it. We are fine with resigning him. Thats the point we are not wanting to trade petro or parayko. Its you people (yes i said you people) that hound and harass us every freaking day. I dare you to find one post where a blues fan offered petro or parayko for trade. If you do I will be amazed.

You might want to stay away from these kinds of sites then. Might bring your blood pressure down. You realize that you didn’t have to respond to my post, I wasn’t talking to you originally.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I’d probably pay that price, depending on what the prospect was for Muzzin, from a Habs POV.

He’s a 40 point a year, top pairing defenseman that can play on the PP and the PK, although like the Habs hasn’t been great on the PP this year. Instantly solidifies a woeful left side though and gives the Habs many more options on defense.

What prospect would the Kings realistically want - Romanov, Poehling, Brook - likely aren’t available.

 

[Colt55]

You might want to stay away from these kinds of sites then. Might bring your blood pressure down. You realize that you didn’t have to respond to my post, I wasn’t talking to you originally.

Or maybe you leaf fans could not be sop desperate for a defenseman where you need to complete stalk another teams player. Its actually kinda getting a little creepy. LOL

 

[Colt55]

I’d probably pay that price, depending on what the prospect was for Muzzin, from a Habs POV.

He’s a 40 point a year, top pairing defenseman that can play on the PP and the PK, although like the Habs hasn’t been great on the PP this year. Instantly solidifies a woeful left side though and gives the Habs many more options on defense.

What prospect would the Kings realistically want - Romanov, Poehling, Brook - likely aren’t available.

I am not trying to sound rude but what is left after those 3. a 1st is good but the propsects i am aware of for mtl were on your no list

 

[Liferleafer]

Or maybe you leaf fans could not be sop desperate for a defenseman where you need to complete stalk another teams player. Its actually kinda getting a little creepy. LOL

Says the Blues fan in a Muzzin thread screaming at Leafs fans about Blues players...

 

[shortfuze]

Or maybe you leaf fans could not be sop desperate for a defenseman where you need to complete stalk another teams player. Its actually kinda getting a little creepy. LOL

I’m not desperate for anything. I’m not the GM and I don’t work for the team and I’m certainly not all leafs fans. But to be honest, it sounds like your a child so I’ll be nice and leave it at that.

 

[shortfuze]

Says the Blues fan in a Muzzin thread screaming at Leafs fans about Blues players...

The best part is I wasn’t even talking to him.

 

[Liferleafer]

The best part is I wasn’t even talking to him.

That doesn't matter, he will make sure you do.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Why is everybody dodging the question?? Multiple people are having no issue telling me thy point is "The Leafs need to pay a premium"..."it must be Kap or Lil plus the Leafs 1st"...well then it should be super easy to post a comparable trade for:
Pens
Habs
Oilers

The reason you are dodging, is because the minute you figure out a comparable deal, you realize that those fans will tell you to shove it.

What do you expect from the keyboard ostrich? He buries his head in the sand every time he can't provide real-life examples.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A 1st and a prospect is reasonable. I'd offer slightly less... Juulsen and a 2nd with maybe a grade B prospect added like Ikonen. If some team wants to trump this, go ahead and the Kings will prefer a bidding war. I hope the Kings get the return they would like.

Juulsen: Shutdown top 4D type potential. Plays a physical game and has shown ability to play a reliable game at D. Don't expect more than 25 pts of potential (ceiling)

Ikonen: Dealing with an injury. Grade B prospect who could bust or could turn into a middle 6 forward. Due to come back from injury very soon. We will see how he finishes the year.

2nd: Take the Habs 2nd or the Blue Jackets. Your choice.

Help the kings out... beat this offer. As a Habs fan, I'm not willing to trade our 1st for short term gains and the potential we miss the playoffs and it becomes a lottery pick. The only reason why I'm trading Juulsen is because we are stacked at RD and Muzzin fits our current needs at LD.

 

[go4hockey]

A 1st and a prospect is reasonable. I'd offer slightly less... Juulsen and a 2nd with maybe a grade B prospect added like Ikonen. If some team wants to trump this, go ahead and the Kings will prefer a bidding war. I hope the Kings get the return they would like.

Juulsen: Shutdown top 4D type potential. Plays a physical game and has shown ability to play a reliable game at D. Don't expect more than 25 pts of potential (ceiling)

Ikonen: Dealing with an injury. Grade B prospect who could bust or could turn into a middle 6 forward. Due to come back from injury very soon. We will see how he finishes the year.

2nd: Take the Habs 2nd or the Blue Jackets. Your choice.

Help the kings out... beat this offer. As a Habs fan, I'm not willing to trade our 1st for short term gains and the potential we miss the playoffs and it becomes a lottery pick. The only reason why I'm trading Juulsen is because we are stacked at RD and Muzzin fits our current needs at LD.

Not willing to move your first than Muzzin will be shopped elsewhere. The deal starts with a first.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not willing to move your first than Muzzin will be shopped elsewhere. The deal starts with a first.

I get it. However, show me an offer from another team that trumps mine. Are the Kings willing to not trade Muzzin at the deadline cause they don't get a 1st? Not saying he does not deserve it but what if a team don't offer one? What's plan B? Try to get more on draft day or keep him?

Before people flip out... just asking simple questions. I offered a package. Show me one that trumps it and I'll see if I want to beat it or let the other team have him.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I get it. However, show me an offer from another team that trumps mine. Are the Kings willing to not trade Muzzin at the deadline cause they don't get a 1st? Not saying he does not deserve it but what if a team don't offer one? What's plan B? Try to get more on draft day or keep him?

Before people flip out... just asking simple questions. I offered a package. Show me one that trumps it and I'll see if I want to beat it or let the other team have him.

I'd guess yes, if they don't get an offer that they like they can keep him for another year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I am not trying to sound rude but what is left after those 3. a 1st is good but the propsects i am aware of for mtl were on your no list

Some prospects could be traded but only for players with term or under RFA control. Muzzin don't fit this.

- Kotkaniemi is untouchable. Just like Thomas was for you last year and we told you that we respected this. We ended up getting Suzuki who has similar value (Pre NHL)
- We need Romanov on the LD side.
- We need Poehling for middle 2 center options.
- Suzuki, Brook, Juulsen, Primeau, Olofsson, Ylonen, Evans, Fleury, Lindgren, and 2nd round picks could be available depending on the return.

Where are the Habs strong? Center, RD, and Goaltending, and available picks. Our 1st is not likely in play due to the risk it could be a lottery pick if we miss the playoffs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd guess yes, if they don't get an offer that they like they can keep him for another year.

Risky if you don't have plans to re-sign him like the Habs did not have plans to sign Patch. If you have plans to possibly re-sign him, then yeah, you stay patient.

The point here is to get one team to outbid the other if you are serious about moving on from Muzzin and want to focus on futures. Like the Habs did with Patch, at some point you take the best package from all offers right?

I'm not interested in one fan base trolling the other. I'm interested in other teams fans trumping my offer and if I can't afford to beat it, the Kings take the other offer. Lets see the offers!

Also: What are the future needs from the Kings? Defense (LD or RD), Centers, goalies, what? Or you are OK with taking the best package cause you need things everywhere?

 

[tony d]

A 1st and Liljegren should get it done for Muzzin.

 

[patriotfan]

Report: Kings want 1st-round pick, prospect for Muzzin

wishing but wont get it not worth it......

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I am not trying to sound rude but what is left after those 3. a 1st is good but the propsects i am aware of for mtl were on your no list

There’s Cale Fleury, Jacob Olofsson, Cadyn Primeau, Jesse Ylonen that all look good in development. Habs are deep with prospects.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A 1st and Liljegren should get it done for Muzzin.

I think they might do this (maybe) if Muzzin played RD. Leafs fans will have to comment though

 

[Habs Halifax]

There’s Cale Fleury, Jacob Olofsson, Cadyn Primeau, Jesse Ylonen that all look good in development. Habs are deep with prospects.

The problem we have as Habs fans is our quantity of prospects behind the top guys don't appear attractive. Most don't understand the value of Fleury, Olofsson, Primeau, & Ylonen. These are very good prospects trending very well and if they were on other teams prospect list, they would be near the top vs near the bottom.

 

[Habs Halifax]

wishing but wont get it not worth it......

Muzzin is worth more than you think. 1.5 years in term left for a very good top 4D with 30-40 pts in potential. Just because the Kings are having a bad year, it don't mean players who have had great careers so far suck.

Muzzin has value. Obviously they will set the price and it's their right to do so. Offer something or go to another thread. Telling them he is not worth it and not providing any package offer of your own is counterproductive IMO.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Risky if you don't have plans to re-sign him like the Habs did not have plans to sign Patch. If you have plans to possibly re-sign him, then yeah, you stay patient.

The point here is to get one team to outbid the other if you are serious about moving on from Muzzin and want to focus on futures. Like the Habs did with Patch, at some point you take the best package from all offers right?

I'm not interested in one fan base trolling the other. I'm interested in other teams fans trumping my offer and if I can't afford to beat it, the Kings take the other offer. Lets see the offers!

Also: What are the future needs from the Kings? Defense (LD or RD), Centers, goalies, what? Or you are OK with taking the best package cause you need things everywhere?

I guess it is risky, but there are several more opportunities to move muzzin if we don't plan on re signing him. There are other players that we can / perhaps should move on from, that we can pick up futures for also, so Muzzin isn't a must move.

We are probably ok taking the best deal available, our D prospects seem a little light, so picking up a good blueline prospect would be nice.