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News Article: Kings Should Trade Their First Round Pick

morality discussion aside - the fact that we had/have Voynov for 4m is absurd

i strongly believe that he is at the very least an elite #2-3 and would be a #1 on a lot of teams

which really makes his whole situation all the more upsetting

i agree that he's better than sekera, but unfortunately there's a lot outside Dean's control with that right now
 
Sekera isn't worth $5.5 million. If he was Carolina would have kept him and DL would have paid it as well. The fact we have no contract by now likely shows DL doesn't believe he's worth that kind of change.

Obviously someone will give it to him, but we don't have to be that team. I'd rather trade the 1st for someone of Sekera's ilk getting $3-$4 million than waste that much extra cap space each year for the next 5-7 years.
 
kingsfan said:
Sekera isn't worth $5.5 million. If he was Carolina would have kept him and DL would have paid it as well. The fact we have no contract by now likely shows DL doesn't believe he's worth that kind of change.

Obviously someone will give it to him, but we don't have to be that team. I'd rather trade the 1st for someone of Sekera's ilk getting $3-$4 million than waste that much extra cap space each year for the next 5-7 years.
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for what it is worth the latest edition of the hockey news has him between 4-5M. They had Petry between 5-6M so nailed it.
 
kingsfan said:
Sekera isn't worth $5.5 million. If he was Carolina would have kept him and DL would have paid it as well. The fact we have no contract by now likely shows DL doesn't believe he's worth that kind of change.

Obviously someone will give it to him, but we don't have to be that team. I'd rather trade the 1st for someone of Sekera's ilk getting $3-$4 million than waste that much extra cap space each year for the next 5-7 years.
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I think it has more to do with the cap figure not being released. I think DL is trying to pay him a percentage of the cap.
 
Perro said:
I am good if LA keeps their pick but because it is so deep you could also say having a later pick is more valuable than in the past too.
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Sure but like I said it would have to be for a greater value than simply moving a cumbersome contract. The value of the return has to matter. We will move MR and will likely see a drop of production soon enough in Kopi (hopefully two or three more very good years left) and throughout the rest of our core group as well and having a player in our system who has the potential to step in and be a first line player is more important to the next wave of champions than moving a contract is today. Keep your elite picks/prospects at all costs is what Bowman and Lou both did their best to do and it worked out well enough for them. Times have changed for sure and we have moved a couple of our elite high end first rounders in the recent past by choice and by time but but in the by choice category we got the player(s) that won us a cup so we got a great benefit by moving it. I just don't want to see a deal where we move MR and our 1st and get a 3rd round pick in return or anything less then that. But we will see what happens and I have faith in DL and co.
 
I don't think there's any way we give up a first rounder this year

maybe trade down a couple spots as part of another deal, but not relinquishing it entirely
 
Bad Will Hunting said:
I think it has more to do with the cap figure not being released. I think DL is trying to pay him a percentage of the cap.
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Agreed, more to do with cap uncertainty and all our moving parts than the idea that Sekera isn't worth it.

The bigger problem for sake of discussion on this board is that just about no one agrees on his value. I think another team would pay him 6+ to be a top-pairing guy and that would be absolutely nails value. I can't see us paying him more than 5.5 and I would be okay with that, though anywhere between 4-5 is great value. Keep in mind the guy is a flat-out UFA and the only way some teams can have a #1 d-man going into next season, so we can't really use Voynov/Muzzin/Martinez contracts as a comparible due to years, experience, position slot. Imagine what Muzzin would get on the open market as a UFA and compare Sekera to that. It hurts. Especially since he hasn't had his big payday and doesn't have the org. loyalty a Muzzin would have yet.
 
417th said:
Sure but like I said it would have to be for a greater value than simply moving a cumbersome contract. The value of the return has to matter. We will move MR and will likely see a drop of production soon enough in Kopi (hopefully two or three more very good years left) and throughout the rest of our core group as well and having a player in our system who has the potential to step in and be a first line player is more important to the next wave of champions than moving a contract is today. Keep your elite picks/prospects at all costs is what Bowman and Lou both did their best to do and it worked out well enough for them. Times have changed for sure and we have moved a couple of our elite high end first rounders in the recent past by choice and by time but but in the by choice category we got the player(s) that won us a cup so we got a great benefit by moving it. I just don't want to see a deal where we move MR and our 1st and get a 3rd round pick in return or anything less then that. But we will see what happens and I have faith in DL and co.
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Part of the value of potentially getting rid of Richards is the cap space. The extra million+ that would be there through trade instead of a buy out could be a productive player.

How many times has a team had multiple waves of champions? Montreal before the 80's? Detroit recently? They only won it one more time after 2002. I figure you get one really good shot at multiple Cups in a short amount of time, because it's really tough to do. Edmonton hasn't been the same since the 80's. Pittsburgh went almost 20 years between Cups. NJ had that one great group with Stevens, Niedermayer, and Brodeur. Colorado had their shot. Dallas. I'd rather the Kings put together the best possible team next year, try and win again with this group that has already won, and worry about 5 years from now later. This isn't the Kings of old with no success after trading high picks.

I have no problem if the Kings keep the pick. It does make sense to start building the blocks of a new foundation. It's just that, how often do you get a real chance to win 3 Cups in 5 years? Not that they must trade the pick in order to win next year.
 
I WILL say--as unlikely as it is--there's also a shot this 1st rounder becomes an immediate roster player. I could see a guy like Rantanen pulling a Clifford etc. So if we're advocating trading the pick because it may not be something for years to come, look at Tanner Pearson.
 
Brad Doty said:
I WILL say--as unlikely as it is--there's also a shot this 1st rounder becomes an immediate roster player. I could see a guy like Rantanen pulling a Clifford etc. So if we're advocating trading the pick because it may not be something for years to come, look at Tanner Pearson.
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The Kings should be looking to move up if there is an impact player they can get.

They're just going to have to assess how the draft is going and be ready to make some moves.
 
Brad Doty said:
I WILL say--as unlikely as it is--there's also a shot this 1st rounder becomes an immediate roster player. I could see a guy like Rantanen pulling a Clifford etc. So if we're advocating trading the pick because it may not be something for years to come, look at Tanner Pearson.
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I agree and don't forget that we told Zacha that he could play in the NHL this year. Maybe not with us but he could do it. I know we liked him allot.
 
417th said:
I agree and don't forget that we told Zacha that he could play in the NHL this year. Maybe not with us but he could do it. I know we liked him allot.
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Brad Doty said:
I WILL say--as unlikely as it is--there's also a shot this 1st rounder becomes an immediate roster player. I could see a guy like Rantanen pulling a Clifford etc. So if we're advocating trading the pick because it may not be something for years to come, look at Tanner Pearson.
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It's unlikely the 13th will be one of those players unless Zacha drops. Connor is going to Michigan. Konecny is a couple years away. Meier could potentially pull a surprise I guess.

I think it's more likely Mersch grabs a spot.
 
i think you're all being extremely optimistic about the relative impact of our prospects

unless we find toffoli 2.0 or someone magically becomes a top 6 NHL winger overnight, I don't see anyone not named Shore or Weal making the big club outta camp
 
Bad Will Hunting said:
I think it has more to do with the cap figure not being released. I think DL is trying to pay him a percentage of the cap.
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This. According to DL, the Kings have an offer on the table, which has not been counter-offered yet. So they are still in negotiations.

Some of you keep saying Sekera isn't worth the $5.5 / $6 million. Sekera is worth what the market will pay him, and that's it. Some of you guys are acting like its your money, LOL. GTFO, and pay the man his money. We are going to need all the help we can get on the blue line, in lieu of the Voynov situation, and if that resolves itself favorably, then we are golden on blue. :)
 
Ron said:
This. According to DL, the Kings have an offer on the table, which has not been counter-offered yet. So they are still in negotiations.

Some of you keep saying Sekera isn't worth the $5.5 / $6 million. Sekera is worth what the market will pay him, and that's it. Some of you guys are acting like its your money, LOL. GTFO, and pay the man his money. We are going to need all the help we can get on the blue line, in lieu of the Voynov situation, and if that resolves itself favorably, then we are golden on blue. :)
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well, I don't think he's worth 5.5/6m, but I still think we pay him whatever to stay given our situation on D

the other thing is too, we're spoiled because we got quality young D like Muzzin and Voynov for chump change - tell me both of those guys wouldn't be asking for at LEAST 6m on the open market
 
Knight of the Realm said:
It's unlikely the 13th will be one of those players unless Zacha drops. Connor is going to Michigan. Konecny is a couple years away. Meier could potentially pull a surprise I guess.

I think it's more likely Mersch grabs a spot.
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That is the way I see things too. I suppose there are a few other unlikely scenarios/picks that could happen where we could see a draftee make the team or a team from our pick down but other than Zacha and Meier I don't see any other of the kids that look like they are truly ready to make the jump. Even then Zacha and Meier are capable of potentially making the jump but that doesn't mean that they should be allowed or made to do so. But that is for another thread or at least I think so.

I think this coming season that Weal is the kid who is most likely to be given a roster spot to start the season. Mersch may get a cup of coffee but it will take a big big camp to unseat Weal.
 
gnarls barkley said:
well, I don't think he's worth 5.5/6m, but I still think we pay him whatever to stay given our situation on D

the other thing is too, we're spoiled because we got quality young D like Muzzin and Voynov for chump change - tell me both of those guys wouldn't be asking for at LEAST 6m on the open market
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I enjoy your posts and mostly agree with you but not this time around. Muzzin JUST signed an extension at a $4MM cap hit last October. So clearly Muzzin didn't ask for a 50% raise on top of that just a few months ago.

Sekera is 28, has been in the league longer, and has a greater body of work in his resume. He most certainly is going to get at least $5 million and possibly $6 per year going forward.
 
KINGS17 said:
The Kings should be looking to move up if there is an impact player they can get.

They're just going to have to assess how the draft is going and be ready to make some moves.
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I agree. Our current crop of prospects are primarily 2nd-3rd pair D and 3rd-4th line F, with the occasional possible 2nd liner. We need a first-line player in this draft. Jeff Carter, Anze Kopitar, Gabby, they're great but who do we have of that caliber in the young crop besides Toffoli? Pearson is good but he's not a star player, imo, but rather a strong complement to a star player. Our competition is getting better and we're getting older.

Looking at the 1st-round draft selections going back to 2006, how many of them are playing on our top pair D or top line F? Drew Doughty. Tanner Pearson is playing on the second line. I project Kempe to be on the 3rd line, but it's early yet. Plus, we've lost next year's 1st-round pick. We desperately need an impact player or the Kings are going to look pretty sorry in a few years.
 
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Another thing people forget is that our defense is not just based on the quality of our defenseman, but rather our centers. I think if we keep our first round draft pick and don't sign Sekera we will be fine considering how well Shore played defensively as our 3 or 4C. If Lewis works on his faceoffs, he could take over one of the center positions, and he always plays well defensively. We can use the money that we would spend on Sekera to trade for a skilled forward since offense has always been an issue with this Sutter team.
 
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