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Rick Knickleback said:
Bingo. There's zero reasons to keep both Durzi and Spence, if you're where the Kings are at the moment.
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If you are trading one of them, it's Spence. Durzi has already shown the character (and skill) that every team is looking for to build their teams with. Durzi ain't going anywhere.
 
They just signed Petersen, and he hasnt started his new contract yet. He just had a bad year. Nobody else is going to blindly hope that he plays better either. Not when they have to account for 3 full seasons.

Be realistic. He and Quick will share the crease again next year, and if Petersen still looks like a sad panda with every goal he let's in, they'll buy him out. Nobody in the league needs even a $2.5m unconfident backup. Teams can do that much cheaper.

Petersen is a King, better or worse.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
They just signed Petersen, and he hasnt started his new contract yet. He just had a bad year. Nobody else is going to blindly hope that he plays better either. Not when they have to account for 3 full seasons.

Be realistic. He and Quick will share the crease again next year, and if Petersen still looks like a sad panda with every goal he let's in, they'll buy him out. Nobody in the league needs even a $2.5m unconfident backup. Teams can do that much cheaper.

Petersen is a King, better or worse.
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Not that I'm saying his stats are good, but his GAA appear to be the same as it was last year. Then again, that was on a worse team.
 
SmytheKing said:
Two reasons really.

1. If the Kings want to get something valuable in their Top-6, you need to move quality the other way. MIN isn't going to take Turcotte, Fagemo, and a 2nd for Fiala.
2. The Kings are loaded with D prospects and players. Durzi is an asset that the Kings probably feel they can afford to lose one of them and fall too far off with the person replacing them.
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Minnesota needs to take back as little salary as possible in a Fiala trade...preferably none...to make the cap work. Durzi is an RFA and is due a raise...probably somewhere between $1.5-2.0 million. Draft picks, prospects, and AHL eligible entry level players are really what they would want.
 
tomd said:
Minnesota needs to take back as little salary as possible in a Fiala trade...preferably none...to make the cap work. Durzi is an RFA and is due a raise...probably somewhere between $1.5-2.0 million. Draft picks, prospects, and AHL eligible entry level players are really what they would want.
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I'm just using a general example. These boards always want to pass off our mediocre assets for another teams 50 goal scorer and it just won't happen. If the Kings want to bring in some talent, Durzi is an asset that a lot of teams will take.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Keep Durzi and Spence, trade Walker and Roy. Keep Roy and Durzi, trade the other two. Keep Roy and Spence, trade the other two. Have Clarke be great, trade 3 of them. Whatever combo is fine. Just start moving out some bodies for real help where needed.
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Not to mention that Grans and Faber are still in the pipeline on the right side and excelling. Trade someone for a good goaltender prospect please.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
If you are trading one of them, it's Spence. Durzi has already shown the character (and skill) that every team is looking for to build their teams with. Durzi ain't going anywhere.
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Durzi’s character and skill on offence will never cover his horrible defensive play.
Also, he is incredibly slow footed for player of his size.
If you do not see that Spencer is much better player comparing to Durzi maybe you need to watch again videos from this season.
 
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kinghock said:
Durzi’s character and skill on offence will never cover his horrible defensive play.
Also, he is incredibly slow footed for player of his size.
If you do not see that Spencer is much better player comparing to Durzi maybe you need to watch again videos from this season.
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I guess the coaching staff disagrees with you.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Keep Durzi and Spence, trade Walker and Roy. Keep Roy and Durzi, trade the other two. Keep Roy and Spence, trade the other two. Have Clarke be great, trade 3 of them. Whatever combo is fine. Just start moving out some bodies for real help where needed.
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I vote for Keep Roy and Spence, trade the other two.
 
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kinghock said:
Can you just accept that Durzi as bad defensively as he is good offensively?
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Where do you see anyone disputing that? I literally have NEVER seen anyone stick up for Durzi's defensive abilities.

What folks like me are saying is the Kings aren't going to roll him out there like he's Drew Doughty beyond this year so his deficiencies can be minimized while his strengths maximized
 
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Walker is a nothing. Wasn't a trade chip before the injury and definitely isn't one now. You can trade him but not much is coming back.

Funny that Blake didn't trade any of the center prospects but now you've got Durzi--who has done more than all of them--and then Spence--who has shown better in his limited games than all of the center prospects--and we've got to trade one of them.

I think Faber is totally in play and probably has more value than both Durzi and Spence.
 
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SmytheKing said:
I'm just using a general example. These boards always want to pass off our mediocre assets for another teams 50 goal scorer and it just won't happen. If the Kings want to bring in some talent, Durzi is an asset that a lot of teams will take.
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That's why i don't expect our #1 pick to be used by us this year. Teams love picks (esp #1s) is trades -- blank slate. If we make a big trade, in all likelihood that #1 is going out.
 
BigKing said:
Walker is a nothing. Wasn't a trade chip before the injury and definitely isn't one now. You can trade him but not much is coming back.

Funny that Blake didn't trade any of the center prospects but now you've got Durzi--who has done more than all of them--and then Spence--who has shown better in his limited games than all of the center prospects--and we've got to trade one of them.

I think Faber is totally in play and probably has more value than both Durzi and Spence.
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Agree about Walker -- mostly due to his injury. That's why i'd trade Roy over Walker. It comes down to returns. Walker would be best traded at the TDL.

Faber i can see being a prime asset. He's almost like a 1st round pick for a team. His value is very high right now. If we have any concerns about signing him (or even simply concerns with logjam), Faber should go this offseason. We have needs and that 1st + Faber are great chips to start with in a big trade...and losing them will not hurt.
 
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i just think people are too EAGER to move an RHD just because.

Having a ton of an asset doesn't mean you have to spend it.

And some of these guys aren't quite at max value, either.

It's reasonable to expect movement this offseason and it's reasonable to look at the position of surplus for some of that value but we also don't have to square peg-round hole a move that's an overspend for us just because we 'can.' Things happen, players get hurt. funny enough that insane depth at RHD is what kept us afloat this year.

In short, keep waiting for the right move. Don't hurry to trade just because.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
i just think people are too EAGER to move an RHD just because.

Having a ton of an asset doesn't mean you have to spend it.

And some of these guys aren't quite at max value, either.

It's reasonable to expect movement this offseason and it's reasonable to look at the position of surplus for some of that value but we also don't have to square peg-round hole a move that's an overspend for us just because we 'can.' Things happen, players get hurt. funny enough that insane depth at RHD is what kept us afloat this year.

In short, keep waiting for the right move. Don't hurry to trade just because.
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Absolutely love me some Spence but he is waiver eligible next season. Faber is in college, Clarke might not be ready and Grans is not ready and is waiver eligible.

Doughty
Roy
Durzi
Walker

Those are the right shot D, correct? Didn't they just lose one for the entire season to an ACL and then the best one of them missed a ton of time?

I understand trading from a position of strength to address a weakness but, unfortunately, moving Durzi only looks at his status as a RHD and fails to acknowledge that you are making an existing weakness even weaker by moving him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
i just think people are too EAGER to move an RHD just because.

Having a ton of an asset doesn't mean you have to spend it.

And some of these guys aren't quite at max value, either.

It's reasonable to expect movement this offseason and it's reasonable to look at the position of surplus for some of that value but we also don't have to square peg-round hole a move that's an overspend for us just because we 'can.' Things happen, players get hurt. funny enough that insane depth at RHD is what kept us afloat this year.

In short, keep waiting for the right move. Don't hurry to trade just because.
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Would you, or anyone, entertain a Faber or Clarke trade for Wallstedt? Consider that it likely wouldn't be just Faber though. MIN asks for him and this years #1, do you do it? I'm certainly considering that.
 
Soucy should be worth going after. He's about to turn 28 and he has 1 year left until UFA. Does he really want to waste the rest of his prime years on a team with no chance of contending for years to come?
 
I think it's probably likely that they start Walker next to Roy next season. Since Walker can play the left side. Assuming he can stay healthy which is a huge assumption.
 
Let's go out and kill it this offseason. My crazy list to beat the shit out of teams with some offense...

Roy+Madden+19th OA for Nylander
Walker+Vilardi+JAD+2nd 2023 for Sergachev
Faber+Iafallo+3rd for Greenway+Wallstedt
Sign Nick Paul & Zadorov

Kempe--Kopitar--Nylander
Moore--Danault--Arvidsson
Grundstrum--Byfield--Kaliyev
Lemieux--Paul--Greenway
Lizotte, Kupari

Anderson--Doughty
Sergachev--Durzi
Zadorov--Clarke/Spence
Bjornfot

Quick
Petersen
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Let's go out and kill it this offseason. My crazy list to beat the shit out of teams with some offense...

Roy+Madden+19th OA for Nylander
Walker+Vilardi+JAD+2nd 2023 for Sergachev
Faber+Iafallo+3rd for Greenway+Wallstedt
Sign Nick Paul & Zadorov

Kempe--Kopitar--Nylander
Moore--Danault--Arvidsson
Grundstrum--Byfield--Kaliyev
Lemieux--Paul--Greenway
Lizotte, Kupari

Anderson--Doughty
Sergachev--Durzi
Zadorov--Clarke/Spence
Bjornfot

Quick
Petersen
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Other teams say no
 
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So reading the trade board and it looks like it is possible that Toronto will not be able to keep Campbell. Think we can pick him up and trade out Cal? Maybe if we retain a %? Just not confident in Cal and looking for an alternative goalie.
 
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