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Other teams say no
They could and probably will but this is my crazy list.

Toronto has to cut cap for a legit goalie and Dman and that trade gives them a good Top4 option on the back end and cap for the goalie. Nylander is the most likely option to move over Marner and Tavares.

Tampa definitely needs to cut cap which the trade does and restocks their cupboard when they have to move out guys due to age & cap.

Minnesota most likely says no without a doubt but it gives them a young RHD from the Homestead and a decent center/winger to help depth. But the lose the top goalie prospect.
 
Let's go out and kill it this offseason. My crazy list to beat the shit out of teams with some offense...

Roy+Madden+19th OA for Nylander
Walker+Vilardi+JAD+2nd 2023 for Sergachev
Faber+Iafallo+3rd for Greenway+Wallstedt
Sign Nick Paul & Zadorov

Kempe--Kopitar--Nylander
Moore--Danault--Arvidsson
Grundstrum--Byfield--Kaliyev
Lemieux--Paul--Greenway
Lizotte, Kupari

Anderson--Doughty
Sergachev--Durzi
Zadorov--Clarke/Spence
Bjornfot

Quick
Petersen

Nice post but it's pretty unlikely some of those trades would work. Maybe the Roy/Nylander one, but I would assume the Kings would have to add a better AHL forward than Madden who looks like an extreme NHL longshot at this point. Maybe someone with a bit more potential upside like Fagemo or Turcotte. But if Nylander is moved something around Roy and our 1st is possible.

Vilardi and JAD are waiver eligible and are AHL/NHL tweeners on the Kings, very unlikely that either player would make the Lightning roster and you risk losing them on waivers. I just don't see how either guy has any trade value at all, would you give up anything of value for Casey Mittlestadt? That is probably about where each guys value is. I'm guessing if they do move Sergachev and the Kings are interested the Bolts would want a deal built around Clarke or our #1 this year and another young RH defender+.

Hard to imagine Iafallo has any trade value after what we saw the final 65 games this season and Faber has already committed to the Gophers next season, unless you think his ultimate goal is to be with the Wild and would immediately sign with them. Still though, don't see them giving up on Jesper, he is going to be their man in goal pretty soon.
 
So reading the trade board and it looks like it is possible that Toronto will not be able to keep Campbell. Think we can pick him up and trade out Cal? Maybe if we retain a %? Just not confident in Cal and looking for an alternative goalie.
Cal will be fine. Just has to get confidence back. It will get there
 
Nice post but it's pretty unlikely some of those trades would work. Maybe the Roy/Nylander one, but I would assume the Kings would have to add a better AHL forward than Madden who looks like an extreme NHL longshot at this point. Maybe someone with a bit more potential upside like Fagemo or Turcotte. But if Nylander is moved something around Roy and our 1st is possible.

Vilardi and JAD are waiver eligible and are AHL/NHL tweeners on the Kings, very unlikely that either player would make the Lightning roster and you risk losing them on waivers. I just don't see how either guy has any trade value at all, would you give up anything of value for Casey Mittlestadt? That is probably about where each guys value is. I'm guessing if they do move Sergachev and the Kings are interested the Bolts would want a deal built around Clarke or our #1 this year and another young RH defender+.

Hard to imagine Iafallo has any trade value after what we saw the final 65 games this season and Faber has already committed to the Gophers next season, unless you think his ultimate goal is to be with the Wild and would immediately sign with them. Still though, don't see them giving up on Jesper, he is going to be their man in goal pretty soon.
I know Nylander has value but with so many teams close to the cap it's going to be a buyers market. I also think Roy has better value than most think (2nd+2nd). Nylander is probably worth a 1st + 2nd + b-level prospect.

Sergachev has a weird value for me. He looks like he could be worth 1st+1st+prospect some games but then he looks like maybe a 2nd+prospect some games. Plus he is stuck behind Hedman, so we don't know his true potential. Vilardi is definitely an NHL everyday player and it's sad people shit all over him with everything he's been through. I'll gave you JAD as a tweener. I think if he wasn't waiver eligible this year, he would have gotten the spot over Lizotte. He looked better than Lizotte in camp and lost out to a numbers game.

I doubt Minnesota would ever trade Wallstedt but a guy can dream right. I probably need to add a goalie prospect or center prospect to help Minny's value. Faber will definitely stay at UM this season but would definitely sign next season if he gets traded to the Wild. I think if Minnesota wins the championship this season he'll definitely sign with the Kings but if they don't win than he could probably stay another year and then sign with the Wild. Iafallo has more value than Kings fans think. He isn't another Pearson issue.

Edit: and I just want Greenway because he is just a beast on the walls, laying the body and his net front presence. A young Lucic without the issues.
 
I know Nylander has value but with so many teams close to the cap it's going to be a buyers market. I also think Roy has better value than most think (2nd+2nd). Nylander is probably worth a 1st + 2nd + b-level prospect.

Sergachev has a weird value for me. He looks like he could be worth 1st+1st+prospect some games but then he looks like maybe a 2nd+prospect some games. Plus he is stuck behind Hedman, so we don't know his true potential. Vilardi is definitely an NHL everyday player and it's sad people shit all over him with everything he's been through. I'll gave you JAD as a tweener. I think if he wasn't waiver eligible this year, he would have gotten the spot over Lizotte. He looked better than Lizotte in camp and lost out to a numbers game.

I doubt Minnesota would ever trade Wallstedt but a guy can dream right. I probably need to add a goalie prospect or center prospect to help Minny's value. Faber will definitely stay at UM this season but would definitely sign next season if he gets traded to the Wild. I think if Minnesota wins the championship this season he'll definitely sign with the Kings but if they don't win than he could probably stay another year and then sign with the Wild. Iafallo has more value than Kings fans think. He isn't another Pearson issue.

Edit: and I just want Greenway because he is just a beast on the walls, laying the body and his net front presence. A young Lucic without the issues.

It only takes one team to value one of those two guys more than the Kings, it's not just the Kings that would be negotiating for both players. I do agree it will be more of a buyers market than the TDL but Nylander and Sergachev wont be given away either. But I do believe that Roy would be a great add for Toronto and something that could hypothetically happen if the Kings are comfortable with the other RHD's. Roy was stellar for the Kings this year when he played, but we need a Nylander more than we need a Roy and a middle 1st in a weak draft. Nylander would immediately become the Kings most talented forward and the PP would run through him.

Vilardi played 25 games with the Kings, 39 with the Reign and was what, scratched maybe 10-15 games with the Kings? and this was for a Kings team who finished 15th in the NHL. Would he be playing regularly with a Seattle or Montreal type team? I would say that is a strong possibility, but you are proposing sending him to Tampa not Montreal, if he can't make the Kings he isn't making Tampa.

Same thing with JAD, if he was in Ontario here it's just tough to see him making Tampa Bay.

These guys are just not viewed as kids anymore at age 23, they are veteran aged due to waivers but without much of an NHL resume to show.
 
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It only takes one team to value one of those two guys more than the Kings, it's not just the Kings that would be negotiating for both players. I do agree it will be more of a buyers market than the TDL but Nylander and Sergachev wont be given away either. But I do believe that Roy would be a great add for Toronto and something that could hypothetically happen if the Kings are comfortable with the other RHD's. Roy was stellar for the Kings this year when he played, but we need a Nylander more than we need a Roy and a middle 1st in a weak draft. Nylander would immediately become the Kings most talented forward and the PP would run through him.

Vilardi played 25 games with the Kings, 39 with the Reign and was what, scratched maybe 10-15 games with the Kings? and this was for a Kings team who finished 15th in the NHL. Would he be playing regularly with a Seattle or Montreal type team? I would say that is a strong possibility, but you are proposing sending him to Tampa not Montreal, if he can't make the Kings he isn't making Tampa.

Same thing with JAD, if he was in Ontario here it's just tough to see him making Tampa Bay.

These guys are just not viewed as kids anymore at age 23, they are veteran aged due to waivers but without much of an NHL resume to show.
Mostly agreed but I believe that Tampa has to cut soooo much cap that they will be looking for cheap youngish talent for the bottom 6 that could cover top6 spots when guys are out hurt. And Tampa the last couple of years have traded so many prospects and picks that their prospect depth chart is very slim. So while they won't take out Stamkos, Point and others. They can definitely replace Killorn, Paul, and Palat when they get moved for cap space.

Edit: so yes I think Vilardi and JAD could make Tampa's NHL roster.
 
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So reading the trade board and it looks like it is possible that Toronto will not be able to keep Campbell. Think we can pick him up and trade out Cal? Maybe if we retain a %? Just not confident in Cal and looking for an alternative goalie.
When it comes to goaltending I'd be more concerned with a young guy than a NHLer. At this point, need to work with Cal, settle his game down improve his mentality and see what he can be next season rather than force a trade and possibly eat part of the cap hit. Developmentally he's on a similar curve to Markstrom and has some of the same needs re: improvement to be the guy.

I'd be looking to Buffalo who has Luukkonen, Portillo, and Levi in the pipeline. They're absolutely insane if they trade Levi at this point, and I wonder if Portillo wants to stay knowing he has UPL ahead of him timewise and will need to compete with Levi.
 
Mostly agreed but I believe that Tampa has to cut soooo much cap that they will be looking for cheap youngish talent for the bottom 6 that could cover top6 spots when guys are out hurt. And Tampa the last couple of years have traded so many prospects and picks that their prospect depth chart is very slim. So while they won't take out Stamkos, Point and others. They can definitely replace Killorn, Paul, and Palat when they get moved for cap space.

Edit: so yes I think Vilardi and JAD could make Tampa's NHL roster.
Looking at cap friendly I do not see Tampa in cap trouble. After LTIR Seabrook it looks to me like they have 5.5m to play with. Get a cheaper replacement for Palat maybe resign Paul means they don't need to sell cheap any of there core players. If you want Sergachev you will have to do something much better than Vilardi and JAD. I think the Kings should keep Vilardi and Turcotte and hope for the best because there trade value has to be next to nothing.
 
Looking at cap friendly I do not see Tampa in cap trouble. After LTIR Seabrook it looks to me like they have 5.5m to play with. Get a cheaper replacement for Palat maybe resign Paul means they don't need to sell cheap any of there core players. If you want Sergachev you will have to do something much better than Vilardi and JAD. I think the Kings should keep Vilardi and Turcotte and hope for the best because there trade value has to be next to nothing.

I agree 100%, they have more value to the Kings on the roster than they do on the trade market.

If the Kings were to trade Vilardi it would be for something like a 3rd round pick, and Turcotte (before injury) probably would have brought back a 2nd rounder from a bad team. If that is the return you are better off just keeping them and hoping that their development does a 180.
 
Looking at cap friendly I do not see Tampa in cap trouble. After LTIR Seabrook it looks to me like they have 5.5m to play with. Get a cheaper replacement for Palat maybe resign Paul means they don't need to sell cheap any of there core players. If you want Sergachev you will have to do something much better than Vilardi and JAD. I think the Kings should keep Vilardi and Turcotte and hope for the best because there trade value has to be next to nothing.
What do you mean Tampa doesn't have cap issue? The have 18 roster players and 36 of the 50 Standard Player contracts signed for next season and their already at $83,725,000 cap hit with the cap only at $82,725,000
 
Exactly. Kings are dying to see some prospects break through and Durzi is doing just that. Now, we are ready to trade one of those guys away?? lol, this board is ultimate insanity.
You need to trade one of them because if you don’t one of them will rot as the 7th D… We have a need for a scoring winger and a LHD and you need to give to get.
 
Let's go out and kill it this offseason. My crazy list to beat the shit out of teams with some offense...

Roy+Madden+19th OA for Nylander
Walker+Vilardi+JAD+2nd 2023 for Sergachev
Faber+Iafallo+3rd for Greenway+Wallstedt
Sign Nick Paul & Zadorov

Kempe--Kopitar--Nylander
Moore--Danault--Arvidsson
Grundstrum--Byfield--Kaliyev
Lemieux--Paul--Greenway
Lizotte, Kupari

Anderson--Doughty
Sergachev--Durzi
Zadorov--Clarke/Spence
Bjornfot

Quick
Petersen

How are you giving TB $2.65m on the cap and two RFAs? Sergachev starts at Clarke, because if he were made available, there's more than one team in on that.

Why is Minnesota taking back more cap? Why are you paying a 4th liner $3m?

So reading the trade board and it looks like it is possible that Toronto will not be able to keep Campbell. Think we can pick him up and trade out Cal? Maybe if we retain a %? Just not confident in Cal and looking for an alternative goalie.

No. If you don't want Petersen that much, why would you think others do? I'm sure Campbell wants to be the guy. Quick's not completely done yet, and he was already his backup once.

Petersen is getting at least one more year here.
 
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What do you mean Tampa doesn't have cap issue? The have 18 roster players and 36 of the 50 Standard Player contracts signed for next season and their already at $83,725,000 cap hit with the cap only at $82,725,000
I think the number on Cap Friendly for next year does not have Seabrook taken out.
 
Brutal. Brunette inherits an elite team and he's coach of the year? Gallant and Sutter are warranted.

Gallant does not deserve it at all. The Rangers are a garbage 5-on-5 team and were carried by Shesterkin and an elite power play. If a team is awful at the game state that about 80% of the game is played at, does the coach deserve a Jack Adams nomination? I would say no…
 
Brutal. Brunette inherits an elite team and he's coach of the year? Gallant and Sutter are warranted.

When the Panthers were in some trouble against the Caps, you wouldn't have known if some Panther fans were talking about TM or Brunette.
 
What do you mean Tampa doesn't have cap issue? The have 18 roster players and 36 of the 50 Standard Player contracts signed for next season and their already at $83,725,000 cap hit with the cap only at $82,725,000
Last year Seabrook LTIR all year and will be again next year. If you subtract out Seabrook's 6.875m that leaves 78,850,000 used for next year or 5,650,000 left to be used. That's not to say Tampa will
not want to shed more salary but they will not be desperate to lose one of there top young players cheaply in my opinion.
 
I have never understood how anyone thinks TB would deal Sergachev....no cup contending team trades one of their top young D, for anything - especially futures.

I am hopeful the Kings can add 2 more pieces this Summer. I think stay away from the 6+ million targets; Gaudreau, Kadri, Forsberg...and target the next level UFA, like Nick Paul, Nichushkin, Burakovsky, Mason Marchment., or even Ilya Mikheyev....since Russians do not do well here....would have to sign Malkin and Mikheyev. LOL . I wonder if Malkin stays in Pittsburgh..but he's 35 and makes little sense here.

Now, if Blake could somehow deal Iafallo and his 4 million, there could be room for Forsberg od Gaudreau.
AI is now a 3rd liner, period. And not ideal to be paying 4 million to a 3rd liner. Even without dealing AI, there could be room for a Forsberg or Gaudreau, but it would be easier, to absorb, by removing a 4 million dollar 3rd winger, that could be replaced with a 1.5 million one. I'd even prefer a little size and toughness on the 3rd line, whicj AI is not.

Some of the youth MUST elevate:
1. Byfield to 13-15 minute 3rd line center. MUST be on the PP. Maybe even unit 1. He does well when he has room and playing with better talent. I think he's motivated and will add 10 more lbs and be ready. Seriously,.
2. Kaliyev - he's rounded oout his game., Now is the time to get him in top 6 and PP 1 and get him to hone his offense to the next level.
3. Kupari. He has such taklent, speed and good size...plays a good 200 foot game and can be physical.
Like Kempe took 5 years, Rasmus maytake 3-4. i'd prefer to keep him and get him to a higher level, then to trade him. His trade value is proibably OK, but the potential is much more. He will not hurt you ever - and be good 3rd liner now. Versatile and can play w or c.
4. Vilardi. I think he is hungry and wants to play. He did ok on wing . He looked good the last week of the season and didn't get a real chance in playoffs...kind of like Rasmus, if they trade him, not a lot of trade value and more value if he elevates his game more. Would prefer to keep him.

I expect other young players to elevate more:
5. Durzi, since he knows he can play at this level. Add some strength. Since Spence can play NHL hockey and Drew will be back and Clarke may actually make the team - I can see Durzi as a trade chip and that's ok.
Love his compete and drive. I'm okay, if he's packaged for a top 6 forward.
6. Clarke, He's played in a men's league at 18. And then was just possibly the best defenseman in the CHL.
He's 6'2" 200 and getting stronger and worked hard on his defense this year. Since he's probably close to skating now, should stay in LA this Summer and work with trainers. If he does not make the team, fine. But he's so gifted and if Drew played at 18, this kid can play at 19. Juniors will not make him better. To bad he cannot play AHL.
I think this kid will be a legit talent.
7. Chromiak. He'll be 20 in August. With a good Summer of strength training, he may have a shot to make it.
He may have the best offensive skills among all the youth; QB and Arty included. I think if the Kings add a top 6 forward and move Arty up,. Chromiak starts in the AHL and that's fine.
8. Spence. Has a great future. He will work hard this Summer and be ready to make the team...a l;ot depends on what happens with Durzi, Walker, Clarke.
9. Grans had a good season. I saw him live in Colorado last week. Looks good, but will need better footspeed and will certainly keep impriving.
10. Akil Thomas. Too bad he missed so much time this year, but I think he's an NHL player. Smart, great shot. Character.
11. Fagemo. Hard to know if he will make the grade. Also would include Madden and JAD in that group.
They are all good prospects, but do not see them fitting in next season. Maybe 1 gets traded in a package?
Rob is going to have to deal a few of these guys soon...Helenius and Lee were just added and could not even have room in the AHL playoffs.
12. Faber. Still marinating ion college. I hope he was straight with Rob on what his FUTURE inteantions are.
I am sure they talked about NEXT year, if he would consider signing after Jr season. If Brock gave him no indication....would be worried. If Brock said he wants to finish college and explore his options, trading him to the Wild may have to be consdered. Sucks. Would not sell him low.
13. Turcotte. Alex said at the time he returned "we eventually found a good program and got me back...I was happy again" I'm sure he's back in that 'right' program now. Get him healthy.

Probably forgot some. This may be the Summer, a few prospects are dealt. I trust Rob and his trades!
He's done very well in deals.

the (currently) 19th overall.
there will be a good prospect there. either a gifted offensive player that falls there..or a big D.
If this pick is packaged, it had better be for a top 4 LHD or top 6 winger. That package could include
Toby, perhaps and another good young player, ala Kupari...but this acquisition had better be an impact player, under age 28. I don;t want to see: Edler, Maatta, AA back, period. Need all the money they can muster, for IMPACTFUL PLAYER upgrades.
 
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I have never understood how anyone thinks TB would deal Sergachev....no cup contending team trades one of their top young D, for anything - especially futures.

I am hopeful the Kings can add 2 more pieces this Summer. I think stay away from the 6+ million targets; Gaudreau, Kadri, Forsberg...and target the next level UFA, like Nick Paul, Nichushkin, Burakovsky, Mason Marchment., or even Ilya Mikheyev....since Russians do not do well here....would have to sign Malkin and Mikheyev. LOL . I wonder if Malkin stays in Pittsburgh..but he's 35 and makes little sense here.

Now, if Blake could somehow deal Iafallo and his 4 million, there could be room for Forsberg od Gaudreau.
AI is now a 3rd liner, period. And not ideal to be paying 4 million to a 3rd liner. Even without dealing AI, there could be room for a Forsberg or Gaudreau, but it would be easier, to absorb, by removing a 4 million dollar 3rd winger, that could be replaced with a 1.5 million one. I'd even prefer a little size and toughness on the 3rd line, whicj AI is not.

Some of the youth MUST elevate:
1. Byfield to 13-15 minute 3rd line center. MUST be on the PP. Maybe even unit 1. He does well when he has room and playing with better talent. I think he's motivated and will add 10 more lbs and be ready. Seriously,.
2. Kaliyev - he's rounded oout his game., Now is the time to get him in top 6 and PP 1 and get him to hone his offense to the next level.
3. Kupari. He has such taklent, speed and good size...plays a good 200 foot game and can be physical.
Like Kempe took 5 years, Rasmus maytake 3-4. i'd prefer to keep him and get him to a higher level, then to trade him. His trade value is proibably OK, but the potential is much more. He will not hurt you ever - and be good 3rd liner now. Versatile and can play w or c.
4. Vilardi. I think he is hungry and wants to play. He did ok on wing . He looked good the last week of the season and didn't get a real chance in playoffs...kind of like Rasmus, if they trade him, not a lot of trade value and more value if he elevates his game more. Would prefer to keep him.

I expect other young players to elevate more:
5. Durzi, since he knows he can play at this level. Add some strength. Since Spence can play NHL hockey and Drew will be back and Clarke may actually make the team - I can see Durzi as a trade chip and that's ok.
Love his compete and drive. I'm okay, if he's packaged for a top 6 forward.
6. Clarke, He's played in a men's league at 18. And then was just possibly the best defenseman in the CHL.
He's 6'2" 200 and getting stronger and worked hard on his defense this year. Since he's probably close to skating now, should stay in LA this Summer and work with trainers. If he does not make the team, fine. But he's so gifted and if Drew played at 18, this kid can play at 19. Juniors will not make him better. To bad he cannot play AHL.
I think this kid will be a legit talent.
7. Chromiak. He'll be 20 in August. With a good Summer of strength training, he may have a shot to make it.
He may have the best offensive skills among all the youth; QB and Arty included. I think if the Kings add a top 6 forward and move Arty up,. Chromiak starts in the AHL and that's fine.
8. Spence. Has a great future. He will work hard this Summer and be ready to make the team...a l;ot depends on what happens with Durzi, Walker, Clarke.
9. Grans had a good season. I saw him live in Colorado last week. Looks good, but will need better footspeed and will certainly keep impriving.
10. Akil Thomas. Too bad he missed so much time this year, but I think he's an NHL player. Smart, great shot. Character.
11. Fagemo. Hard to know if he will make the grade. Also would include Madden and JAD in that group.
They are all good prospects, but do not see them fitting in next season. Maybe 1 gets traded in a package?
Rob is going to have to deal a few of these guys soon...Helenius and Lee were just added and could not even have room in the AHL playoffs.
12. Faber. Still marinating ion college. I hope he was straight with Rob on what his FUTURE inteantions are.
I am sure they talked about NEXT year, if he would consider signing after Jr season. If Brock gave him no indication....would be worried. If Brock said he wants to finish college and explore his options, trading him to the Wild may have to be consdered. Sucks. Would not sell him low.
13. Turcotte. Alex said at the time he returned "we eventually found a good program and got me back...I was happy again" I'm sure he's back in that 'right' program now. Get him healthy.

Probably forgot some. This may be the Summer, a few prospects are dealt. I trust Rob and his trades!
He's done very well in deals.

the (currently) 19th overall.
there will be a good prospect there. either a gifted offensive player that falls there..or a big D.
If this pick is packaged, it had better be for a top 4 LHD or top 6 winger. That package could include
Toby, perhaps and another good young player, ala Kupari...but this acquisition had better be an impact player, under age 28. I don;t want to see: Edler, Maatta, AA back, period. Need all the money they can muster, for IMPACTFUL PLAYER upgrades.
It is great post. I am 100% agree with everything you stated here
 
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Last year Seabrook LTIR all year and will be again next year. If you subtract out Seabrook's 6.875m that leaves 78,850,000 used for next year or 5,650,000 left to be used. That's not to say Tampa will
not want to shed more salary but they will not be desperate to lose one of there top young players cheaply in my opinion.
They'll probably not be able to resign Palat but otherwise they'll be fine.
 
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