GDT: Kings off-season thread

[King'sPawn]

So, you watched that video right? That was not in any way similar, the play was dead. That is kind of a crucial aspect to the conversation that you seem to be ignoring here. Again, I said I did not want to move on from Durzi, but conflating Doughty with what Durzi did is not fair in any way. I don't like using the ignore button, I was just pointing out that you were making an unfair statement. Although, feel free to ignore me if you are not a fan of me calling you out.

They both lost their composure during a playoff game, and Doughty was gesturing to get the ref's attention to call a penalty. DURING PLAY.

You want to accuse me of making an unfair statement, then say that Durzi's actions aren't the same, because it differs from Doughty's actions frame by frame? When all I was trying to say is that Doughty has lost his composure?

That's not calling out. That's called being a pedantic, hypocritical ass.

 

[crassbonanza]

They both lost their composure during a playoff game, and Doughty was gesturing to get the ref's attention to call a penalty. DURING PLAY.

You want to accuse me of making an unfair statement, then say that Durzi's actions aren't the same, because it differs from Doughty's actions frame by frame? When all I was trying to say is that Doughty has lost his composure?

That's not calling out. That's called being a pedantic, hypocritical ass.

The issue that people have with Durzi is that he stopped playing while play was still live and it directly resulted in a goal against, during a game 7. Doughty got pissed after a play was dead and complained to the refs. That is not a minor difference, that is a huge difference. Do you seriously not see that?

 

[King'sPawn]

The issue that people have with Durzi is that he stopped playing while play was still live and it directly resulted in a goal against. During a game 7. Doughty got pissed after a play was dead and complained to the refs. That is not a minor difference, that is a huge difference. Do you seriously not see the difference?

They both lost their composure. Making decisions, such as trading, based on an incident of losing composure is silly. Of course there are differences... but none of the differences you point out diminishes my statement - a statement YOU AGREE WITH. For a refresher of this stupid argument, that statement was "don't trade Durzi because of this."

You accused me of making stuff up about Doughty losing his composure in the playoffs. After I backed it up, you then move the goalposts to disqualify the example. Jerk.

 

[Docgonzo]

So... rookies aren't allowed to lose their composure? Only veterans like Doughty?

Regular players can’t lose their composure but stars/superstars can. If Durzi was a rookie Doughty nobody would be complaining about his loss of his composure. If the Kings had a 90 point forward that did that, it’s overlooked. Lemieux does it, it’s not good.

 

[crassbonanza]

They both lost their composure. Making decisions, such as trading, based on an incident of losing composure is silly. Of course there are differences... but none of the differences you point out diminishes my statement - a statement YOU AGREE WITH. For a refresher of this stupid argument, that statement was "don't trade Durzi because of this."

You accused me of making stuff up about Doughty losing his composure in the playoffs. After I backed it up, you then move the goalposts to disqualify the example. Jerk.

I never moved the goalposts though, go back to my initial response to you. I said "I don't remember Doughty doing something similar in the playoffs" and you did not provide anything even close to similar. You provided a video of Doughty complaining to the refs once the play was dead. Durzi stopped playing completely while the play was live and the puck ended up in the back of the net directly due to his actions. Come on man, can you seriously not see the difference?

 

[Surf Nutz]

I analyzed the roster from the viewpoint of what is our biggest weakness, scoring goals. Therefore unless we get a like for a like or better for each offensive player we have, we need to resigns them or hold them. I was looking to let AA and maybe Stecher walk and possibly trade some d but if we cant get equal or better they need to be resigned or held onto at least until someone is at Ontario earning it.

 

[King'sPawn]

I never moved the goalposts though, go back to my initial response to you. I said "I don't remember Doughty doing something similar in the playoffs" and you did not provide anything even close to similar. You provided a video of Doughty complaining to the refs once the play was dead. Durzi stopped playing completely while the play was live and the puck ended up in the back of the net directly due to his actions. Come on man, can you seriously not see the difference?

You are picking a fight over irrelevant bullshit, when I was only pointing out that trading Durzi for losing his composure is stupid. My evidence is that Doughty lost his composure in the playoffs.

That's it.

Of course they aren't identical. But it has nothing to do with the f***ing point. You got defensive and said I was shitting on Doughty when all I was doing is saying competitive guys lose composure.

f*** this place. Can't make an observation about anything without fighting through the most inane pedantry.

 

[kilowatt]

The “we should trade Durzi because he gave up on the play” thing is really dumb. He was a rookie punching above his weight class playing 1D minutes against the best player in the world. McDavid made 19 guys look silly every single night. It probably won’t happen again.

Durzi is an elite 3RD. Would love to put him with a guy like Carson Soucy on our third pair.

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Soucy - Durzi

Swap Chychrun for Provorov or Sergachev, I don’t care. That’s an elite defense. Give Spence and Grans some more time and send Bjornfot the other way for whichever LD we acquire.

While we’re at it, let’s send Turcotte and Faber to Vancouver for JT Miller and sign him to an extension.

Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Miller - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

I can hear the anti-Miller crowd preparing their arguments, but he has another season on the cheap. This helps our ability to sign him to an extension because Quick’s $5,800,000 cap hit comes off the books after next season.

 

[Docgonzo]

Funny part about Durzi good rookie year was talk before the season was we had too many rhd with Doughty, Roy, Walker, Clarke, Spence, Faber and Grans. Now we just added another in Durzi, because most of us myself included, were sleeping on him.

Now Doughty is a King until he doesn’t want to be one. Roy is hard because even though he isn’t big time physical he and Anderson are all we have there. Walker lost his place due to injury but low trade value thanks to injury. So the trade chips to possibly improve LHD or scoring are Durzi, Spence, Grans and Faber.

I like Durzi for what he brings and how he plays, heart on his sleeve. His defense will hopefully get better but he has time, D take longer.

Spence I’m very biased about, he and Nousiainen are my two favorite D prospects. Spence just seems to be very polished both ways just need to be stronger and he’ll be a top 4 pairing guy.

So it comes down to Faber and Grans as trade chips. Faber worries me with the going back to school but I’m probably overreacting. Faber has the benefit of most of the young d prospects on the right are more offensive minded and he isn’t so he isn’t repetitive. Grans has the size but needs to work on his game.

And Clarke is going nowhere but next season is a crazy problem since it’s NHL or CHL. Don’t know if another year in juniors would do anything for him.

If Blake can turn 1 or 2 of those into a 50-70 point top 6 forward and a LhD with some size I’d be ok with that. It’d suck to lose them but they can’t all play, unless we play all rhd and Mikey Anderson.

 

[Docgonzo]

Also if they do acquire a forward via trade or FA I’d like them paired with Byfield. He needs stability and talent next to him at this moment. No rookie line, no ghost of Dustin Brown and no AA picking flowers in the neutral zone.

Kempe-Kopitar-Kaliyev
Kempe has the speed to carry the puck into the zone, Kaliyev and Kopitar have the same speed so I think they’ll work well together.

Moore-Danault-Arvidsson/FA
Don’t mess with what is working. If the FA is Forsberg bump Arvidsson down to Byfield’s line

Iaffalo/Grundstrom-Byfield-Arvidsson/FA
Iaffalo with the shortest leash ever, but Byfield gets a player to grind out pucks and a winger with talent.

Iaffalo/Grundstrom-Lizotte-Lemieux
Lemieux is the wildcard here, he looked so good here early in the year and so horrible at the end. I wouldn’t hesitate to scratch him for someone else but no idea who that would be.

Hopefully lines 1-3 get even or close to even TOI. Like 18, 17, 15, 10.

 

[Martyros]

If we're trading away a rookie for making rookie mistakes, might as well trade them all.

And that's why i said it's a good thing i'm not the gm because I made an impulsive reaction. Having said that, at the end of the day, that wouldn't be the reason why I'd trade him if I did.

 

[Lt Dan]

Tonka had a great off-season while only being inserted into the lineup during the regular season every so often.

He's a RFA and easily should be signed.

I really don't understand what management has against this guy and why he isn't given the chance to play every game

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I really don't understand what management has against this guy and why he isn't given the chance to play every game

I have no problem with Grundstrom, but comparing to him to Brown seems a bit of a stretch to me. Brown was a 30 goal scorer, 60 point guy when he was 24. Carl Grundstrom had 15 points in 53 games. Somebody is lying or I'm really bad at math.

 

[cyclones22]

I really don't understand what management has against this guy and why he isn't given the chance to play every game

TMc will find any reason to bench Grundstrom. Maybe he's finally wising up with him, but most could see Grundstrom was effective out there more often than not. He's one of the few that drives HARD to the net and mucks it up in the crease.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I have no problem with Grundstrom, but comparing to him to Brown seems a bit of a stretch to me. Brown was a 30 goal scorer, 60 point guy when he was 24. Carl Grundstrom had 15 points in 53 games. Somebody is lying or I'm really bad at math.

That post pretty clearly says its per 60 minutes of ice time. Brown was receiving 20 minutes of ice time per game then while Grundstrom got 10 minutes of ice time per game this season.

 

[Lt Dan]

I have no problem with Grundstrom, but comparing to him to Brown seems a bit of a stretch to me. Brown was a 30 goal scorer, 60 point guy when he was 24. Carl Grundstrom had 15 points in 53 games. Somebody is lying or I'm really bad at math.

You are really bad at comprehension.
The stats are per 60 minutes.
If Brown is getting first line mins , he overall stats will of course be higher than one getting 4th line mins

I am slower than the speed of Chazz

 

[Cook24]

It’d be nice that whomever they get at defense that they can actually score goals from the blue line. 10 goals from a defender not named Doughty would be amazing.

Doughty 39 games 7 goals
Durzi 64 games 3 goals
Roy 67 games 2 goals
Edler 41 games 3 goals
Spence 24 games 2 goals
Anderson 57 games 2 goals
Maatta 66 games 1 goal
Bjornfot 70 games 0 goals

20 goals from your defense is sad. 2012 had 44 goals and 2014 had 36 for reference

Chychrun scored 18 just a year ago, and 12 the season before that. Oh and he’s only 24…

 

[FSL KINGS]

Durzi, King's didn't lose because Durzi gave up a goal. Kings lost because they failed to score 1 goal.

Possibility of Durzi moving. Blake has talked about adding a LD.
Mikey, Doughty
New Guy, Roy
Björnfot, ?
That leaves the 3rd right D & an extra spot for Clarke, Durzi, Walker. Spence probably starts in AHL. So carry 8D, play one on the left & skip the new D or trade one. Clarke not getting traded. Walker may be hard to move off the injury. That leaves Durzi.

Chychrun scored 18 just a year ago, and 12 the season before that. Oh and he’s only 24…

He just played a career low 47 games.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

That post pretty clearly says its per 60 minutes of ice time. Brown was receiving 20 minutes of ice time per game then while Grundstrom got 10 minutes of ice time per game this season.

got it, I did say there was the chance I was really bad at math. Still don't see Grundstrom as the next coming of Brown, would love to be wrong.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You can also see in those stats that crucially Grundstrom doesn't have the same 'go bonkers' effect on the opposition that Brown had, as evidenced in penalties drawn

He's a different kind of straight line locomotive

You may remember with prime Brown it was basically a given, if he threw a big hit, immediately he'd get jumped because everyone assumed the worst

 

[Fat Elvis]

Would love to see Grundstom get top 6 time for a stretch of games to see how he produces.

 

[saintsnsoldiers]

Durzi, King's didn't lose because Durzi gave up a goal. Kings lost because they failed to score 1 goal.

Possibility of Durzi moving. Blake has talked about adding a LD.
Mikey, Doughty
New Guy, Roy
Björnfot, ?
That leaves the 3rd right D & an extra spot for Clarke, Durzi, Walker. Spence probably starts in AHL. So carry 8D, play one on the left & skip the new D or trade one. Clarke not getting traded. Walker may be hard to move off the injury. That leaves Durzi.


He just played a career low 47 games.

In regard to Chychrun, he's never played more then 63 games in a season and that was his rookie year. He missed 160+ games in his 6 years. That's 2 seasons. I would have a hard time with that.

 

[Matt13]

@crassbonanza "taste great"
@King'sPawn "less filing"
@crassbonanza "taste great"
@King'sPawn "less filing"

 

[Fat Elvis]

After watching Chychrun play against the Kings this season, Not once after a game did I think to myself that LA "needed" this guy. Didn't play tough, didn't show amazing decision making, didn't show defensive awareness, didn't show game breaking offense. You know, all the things we are wanting from our added dman. Rather some other team overpay for the guy.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You can also see in those stats that crucially Grundstrom doesn't have the same 'go bonkers' effect on the opposition that Brown had, as evidenced in penalties drawn

He's a different kind of straight line locomotive

You may remember with prime Brown it was basically a given, if he threw a big hit, immediately he'd get jumped because everyone assumed the worst

I liked what Grundstrom did in the playoffs, no doubt, but correct me if I am wrong, he just seems like, a straight line player, no hockey IQ, see puck, get puck, see body, hit body, which is not necessarily bad....but feels like he's one of those, if you play him ok fine sure, but you might be better putting him in a package with someone else (vilardi, Roy, walker, XXXXXX etc ) to get a bigger piece.