GDT: Kings off-season thread

[bmr]

Could probably add Seattle in there. Lots of LD, only 2 RD.

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. Get Carson Soucy from Seattle. Everything we need from on the defensive side is in one guy. I'd swap one of our RD (Durzi or Walker) and a pick for Soucy.

I'm all for this, but do we know if Seattle even wants to part with him? Soucy would give us the size we are looking for and a left shot. We would probably need to part with one of our RHD.

Soucy averaged 17:39 of ice time this year and was the best +/- on Seattle at +7. In Minnesota, his ice time was a touch over 15 minutes. In the 2020/21 season, he was also the best +/- on the team at +22. Make it happen, Rob!

 

[tomd]

I'm all for this, but do we know if Seattle even wants to part with him? Soucy would give us the size we are looking for and a left shot. We would probably need to part with one of our RHD.

Soucy averaged 17:39 of ice time this year and was the best +/- on the team at +7. In Minnesota, his ice time was a touch over 15 minutes.

Yeah, Soucy seems like a guy Seattle would build around...not trade to a division rival.

 

[bmr]

Yeah, Soucy seems like a guy Seattle would build around...not trade to a division rival.

I wonder if the Kings have even considered him. I think they could get it done with one of the RHD prospects and a pick. Seattle won't contend for a few years and Soucy might be out of that window. I can't believe the Wild let him go.

 

[tomd]

I wonder if the Kings have even considered him. I think they could get it done with one of the RHD prospects and a pick. Seattle won't contend for a few years and Soucy might be out of that window. I can't believe the Wild let him go.

He's only 27 so it's not like he won't be around for awhile. But worst case for Seattle is that if they can't (or won't) resign him then they'll trade him at the '23 TDL...for a ton. There is no reason for them to trade him now unless it is for an overpayment.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He's only 27 so it's not like he won't be around for awhile. But worst case for Seattle is that if they can't (or won't) resign him then they'll trade him at the '23 TDL...for a ton. There is no reason for them to trade him now unless it is for an overpayment.

Pretty much agree with this, I think that's why a lot of us are hoping the Kings get in on it early. Not because Seattle and others don't notice he's great or anything, but because he's the next Edmundson/Chiarot-style deadline prize.

 

[KingsFan7824]

They may have to do an in-season trade to see how he bounces back from injury. At his cap hit, I definitely think there are better options.

This is the hard cap world. You make your trade in the summer or the deadline. There's no waiting a month to see how a guy does after an injury.

It's the same with moving a vet out once a young guy shows he can do it. No. You have to trade the vet in the summer, and give the spot to the young guy.

If Walker is out, that has to happen at the draft or when free agency opens. If he's still here after that, then he's going to be here for a while next season, because the other teams will have made their moves for October already. Make the choice, and do it.

 

[bmr]

I'm really excited to see what Clarke brings to the table. It looks like Spence will probably start again in Ontario unless something changes w/ the Kings. Still a lot of unanswered questions: do we re-sign Edler and/or Maatta? What happens to Moverare? Are we keeping or trading Durzi?

 

[Rick Knickleback]

do we re-sign Edler and/or Maatta?

I hope not. A more seasoned Anderson, Roy, and obviously a healthy Doughty will have to count as veteran presences. Let the kids fill out the rest and/or get a stop gap younger than Edler or (likelier) cheaper than Maata.

 

[Lt Dan]

I hope not. A more seasoned Anderson, Roy, and obviously a healthy Doughty will have to count as veteran presences. Let the kids fill out the rest and/or get a stop gap younger than Edler or (likelier) cheaper than Maata.

This is how you remind us that we have a farm system
This is how you remind us that we have a farm system

It's not like you to say sorry
Both waiting on a different story

 

[Herby]

I don’t think there will be middle ground with Iafallo. It wasn’t as if he played well and was just snake bitten offensively. He had that Mike Richards look where he was noticeably slow and behind the play in all 3 zones. He was either injured and playing through it and will return to his previous level or he is cooked. People thought Richards was hurt in 2014 (remember the 6 month viral infection excuse?) and then we saw right away that wasn’t the case. We will know one way or the other early next year. Hopefully he looks like the solid top 9 guy who can play throughout the lineup like he was before and not this seasons disaster.

Cal P I am less optimistic with, he’s not a kid anymore and he still has the Garon-like mental weakness where you can just see right away when he’s fighting the puck, which was many many nights this season. If goalies don’t have it between the ears any physical ability they have means nothing.

 

[bland]

He's only 27 so it's not like he won't be around for awhile. But worst case for Seattle is that if they can't (or won't) resign him then they'll trade him at the '23 TDL...for a ton. There is no reason for them to trade him now unless it is for an overpayment.

Rumor had it that they turned down offers of late firsts for Soucy from playoff teams at the deadline.

 

[Sol]

I'm really excited to see what Clarke brings to the table. It looks like Spence will probably start again in Ontario unless something changes w/ the Kings. Still a lot of unanswered questions: do we re-sign Edler and/or Maatta? What happens to Moverare? Are we keeping or trading Durzi?

I think they re-sign edler even though Maatta was light years better

 

[Bandit]

I don’t think there will be middle ground with Iafallo. It wasn’t as if he played well and was just snake bitten offensively. He had that Mike Richards look where he was noticeably slow and behind the play in all 3 zones. He was either injured and playing through it and will return to his previous level or he is cooked. People thought Richards was hurt in 2014 (remember the 6 month viral infection excuse?) and then we saw right away that wasn’t the case. We will know one way or the other early next year. Hopefully he looks like the solid top 9 guy who can play throughout the lineup like he was before and not this seasons disaster.

Cal P I am less optimistic with, he’s not a kid anymore and he still has the Garon-like mental weakness where you can just see right away when he’s fighting the puck, which was many many nights this season. If goalies don’t have it between the ears any physical ability they have means nothing.

Personally I'm hoping he was one of the guys with a separated shoulder, because if not... yeeesh.

 

[Sol]

I can't be the only one expecting Petersen, Iafallo to bounce back next year.

Don't forget that the previous year people were saying the same about Quick. Sure, different pedigree, but there are injuries and recoveries, ebbs and flows.

Edit: add Walker to that list, too. People make them popular trade targets this offseason but I think they--like the prospects--get a chance to recoup value before they get moved at all. I could see someone targeting Iafallo the way Blake did Arvy though.

“Bounce back” implies that petersen was actually good consistently. His best performance was under minimal load.

Let’s be realistic about him for his age. There’s no bounce back. You trade him and get someone else

 

[Rick Knickleback]

. You trade him and get someone else

And eat how much of his salary in order to get someone to trade for him?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Are we keeping or trading Durzi?

Kings aren't trading anyone in this picture:

 

[Sol]

And eat how much of his salary in order to get someone to trade for him?

Maybe 30%. He’s not good enough to be a starter at all on this team and there’s no use pretending he is either.

They should move on and look elsewhere. He’s a back up at best. Kings aren’t looking for a back up for Quick

 

[All The Kings Men]

Kings aren't trading anyone in this picture:

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I have no idea what the plans are for Sean Durzi but I can promise you that looking to graphics like this for clues won't offer any insight.

 

[Rick Knickleback]

Maybe 30%. He’s not good enough to be a starter at all on this team and there’s no use pretending he is either.

They should move on and look elsewhere. He’s a back up at best. Kings aren’t looking for a back up for Quick

I don't disagree with any of this, aside from my opinion that eating only 30% of his contract will entice anyone. What has CP proven to anyone who isn't a hopeful Kings homer?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

“Bounce back” implies that petersen was actually good consistently. His best performance was under minimal load.

Let’s be realistic about him for his age. There’s no bounce back. You trade him and get someone else

he's the same age Markstrom was when he became a more regular starter

Again not expecting a world beater but at least league average goaltending is plausible

I'm just trying to live with it because who is going to trade for him in year one of a new deal? You're better off at least letting him try to increase value because there's no way he's worse than he showed last year. People are advocating retaining etc. but to replace him will cost just as much as that gap anyway as well

 

[BigKing]

I have no idea what the plans are for Sean Durzi but I can promise you that looking to graphics like this for clues won't offer any insight.

Season renewal package in March also featured Durzi prominently.

Doesn't mean he doesn't get moved for the right deal but he has the following going for him:

- Balls (something Blake says they need to get more of in the offseason
- Glue guy
- Feather in Blake's cap as far as his trading resume goes.
- Fan favorite

The Kings don't have many guys with his type of attitude on the team. He was asked to do way more than he should have this season and he took the chance and ran with it. He's a culture type of guy so--if they move him--there better be some sort of culture type guy coming back.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Season renewal package in March also featured Durzi prominently.

Doesn't mean he doesn't get moved for the right deal but he has the following going for him:

- Balls (something Blake says they need to get more of in the offseason
- Glue guy
- Feather in Blake's cap as far as his trading resume goes.
- Fan favorite

The Kings don't have many guys with his type of attitude on the team. He was asked to do way more than he should have this season and he took the chance and ran with it. He's a culture type of guy so--if they move him--there better be some sort of culture type guy coming back.

Exactly. Kings are dying to see some prospects break through and Durzi is doing just that. Now, we are ready to trade one of those guys away?? lol, this board is ultimate insanity.

 

[Sol]

he's the same age Markstrom was when he became a more regular starter

Again not expecting a world beater but at least league average goaltending is plausible

I'm just trying to live with it because who is going to trade for him in year one of a new deal? You're better off at least letting him try to increase value because there's no way he's worse than he showed last year. People are advocating retaining etc. but to replace him will cost just as much as that gap anyway as well

There’s nothing in his game to say he will be the rare markstrom. Cal didn’t only fail this year, but he was really bad. And bad against a goalie like Quick who wasn’t doing too good either, but ended up getting much better while a younger goalie like Cal just f***ing sucked completely from beginning to end.

So I’m not going to blindly hope that he does better next year and I hope Blake doesn’t either because Quick is old. Petersen hasn’t shown anything.

Cals beer league lateral movement I never want to see again

 

[SmytheKing]

Exactly. Kings are dying to see some prospects break through and Durzi is doing just that. Now, we are ready to trade one of those guys away?? lol, this board is ultimate insanity.

Two reasons really.

1. If the Kings want to get something valuable in their Top-6, you need to move quality the other way. MIN isn't going to take Turcotte, Fagemo, and a 2nd for Fiala.
2. The Kings are loaded with D prospects and players. Durzi is an asset that the Kings probably feel they can afford to lose one of them and fall too far off with the person replacing them.

 

[Rick Knickleback]

Two reasons really.


2. The Kings are loaded with D prospects and players. Durzi is an asset that the Kings probably feel they can afford to lose one of them and fall too far off with the person replacing them.

Bingo. There's zero reasons to keep both Durzi and Spence, if you're where the Kings are at the moment.