Kings Lose 2-3 to Ducks in OT; Brown Lets Perry Live

[AlphaBravo]

in my opinion, right now the King's system is far too dependent on luck. Granted, the entire game of Hockey is dependent on luck, but our system is especially susceptible. We always look for the shot, no matter how low quality, always cycle to our D at top for them to shoot all the time, never cycle to puck for too long or look for the creative play even once. We're always have 3 players stuck on the boards and zero players in the slot or looking for an opening in the middle. Always dump puck. This system essentially depends upon lucky bounces, deflections, and somehow winning all 50-50 battles. When we do all of that, the Kings are unstoppable, but over the course of the season we go through these huge slumps because of bad luck. I look at the Getzlaf assist as a perfect example of creative hockey; rather than just go for the low quality shot, Getzlaf makes a risky, skill play to pass into the traffic in the slot, and it works wonders. Quick is beat hard and no one has no idea what happened. When's the last time Kopi did that??

why was that 70's line so strong? Because they went for the creative plays, the skill plays, and the fast plays. when you have an entire team that does that, it can get weak, but when you have balance it opens up other lines to play that high possession game. But when you have a team full of Lewis' and Kings losing board battles, slowly losing their man, and always making the safe play, the entire team suffers. There is a time and place for low risk, safe play offense, and there is a time for high pace, high risk offense. We need to start mixing both together. If you have a team full of strong, two way players, aren't you in the absolute best position to try high risk hockey once in a while??

Actually, our system is the opposite of that. It doesn't depend on luck, it is based on pure statistics and probability. A bounce in front of the net is not "luck" - those bounces are based on screening the goalie, getting a deflection, or a pad save by the goalie with a rebound for the winger to score on. Also, those creative plays, while a good thing under certain circumstances, typically leads to turnovers and goals against. Sutter depends on keeping the puck away from the middle of the ice, getting shots through from the blue line, and cycling the puck along the boards. Anyone who has played hockey knows that those are safe and effective plays.

That is why rush teams like Calgary and Colorado are ineffective in the long haul. Yes, they may have skill and talent to make those fancy plays and win games at times through creativity. But during the playoffs games are generally tighter in defense, and one bad goal against can cost you a game.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm not happy about the penalty to Brown after that hit. What a load of garbage. I can almost guarantee you the ref conversation went like this:

Ref A: "I've got Stoner for the cross-check."
Ref B:"I've got Despres for roughing."
Ref A: "Crap, we can't give 'em a full 2-man advantage."
Ref B: "Better get Brown for roughing too, then."

Brown didn't do anything at all except lay a clean hit and take crap for it. I'm not saying it should have been a 2-man advantage, but Brown had no reason to be put in the box.

Totally agreed.

By the book it SHOULD have been a 2-man advantage, but I was okay with one...just not okay at all with Brown going to the box. That was garbage. He had to eat a stick to the face first (which would have been a main board thread had brown done it), THEN had to deal with a third-man-in. AND 2 minutes. All for throwing a completely clean hit.

This is one of those games where I feel comfortable saying the Kings lost it rather than blaming the refs at all, but my god were those clowns in over their head last night. They could not keep up.

 

[lexlavender]

Actually, our system is the opposite of that. It doesn't depend on luck, it is based on pure statistics and probability. A bounce in front of the net is not "luck" - those bounces are based on screening the goalie, getting a deflection, or a pad save by the goalie with a rebound for the winger to score on. Also, those creative plays, while a good thing under certain circumstances, typically leads to turnovers and goals against. Sutter depends on keeping the puck away from the middle of the ice, getting shots through from the blue line, and cycling the puck along the boards. Anyone who has played hockey knows that those are safe and effective plays.

That is why rush teams like Calgary and Colorado are ineffective in the long haul. Yes, they may have skill and talent to make those fancy plays and win games at times through creativity. But during the playoffs games are generally tighter in defense, and one bad goal against can cost you a game.

yeah I totally agree with you, thats why I said that an entire team based on rush tactics are unsustainable, but completely avoiding those risky plays are the opposite of the spectrum. You need to play those risky plays once in a while, especially on a team that is just full of people who are defensively responsible and safe. When I say luck, I simply mean probability going in our favor. Even though we play the odds hard with our possession, the odds are fickle and life is not evenly distributed; if you play the odds, chances are in the short term you will be susceptible to streaky performance. But if we mix our possession with some high risk, intentional, deliberate plays, not only will we get more offense, but it will open up the possession game to be even more effective.

 

[Ron*]

I'm not happy about the penalty to Brown after that hit. What a load of garbage. I can almost guarantee you the ref conversation went like this:

Ref A: "I've got Stoner for the cross-check."
Ref B:"I've got Despres for roughing."
Ref A: "Crap, we can't give 'em a full 2-man advantage."
Ref B: "Better get Brown for roughing too, then."

Brown didn't do anything at all except lay a clean hit and take crap for it. I'm not saying it should have been a 2-man advantage, but Brown had no reason to be put in the box.

Actually, it should have been a two-man advantage. The refs probably pulled a "jury nullification" type of argument when they didn't really have to. Mistakes get made. I am sure if you asked the refs (and linesman) today, and in hindsight, they would tell you that putting Brown in the penalty box was an error in judgment.

 

[Ron*]

Totally agreed.

By the book it SHOULD have been a 2-man advantage, but I was okay with one...just not okay at all with Brown going to the box. That was garbage. He had to eat a stick to the face first (which would have been a main board thread had brown done it), THEN had to deal with a third-man-in. AND 2 minutes. All for throwing a completely clean hit.

This is one of those games where I feel comfortable saying the Kings lost it rather than blaming the refs at all, but my god were those clowns in over their head last night. They could not keep up.

I wanted to address this in the GDT when you posted something similar last night, but didn't get a chance to. You said something to the effect is that they won't get in the playoffs (the refs, that is).

Just wanted to say that Dan O'Rourke is a veteran ref who is well-regarded and Francis Charron has a good track record so far as a junior referee (5 years in). They will indeed probably get some playoff time, but I agree with you in that I think they just had a bad game. I think if you ask them today they would tell you the same (if they were honest).

Refs have bad games too.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wanted to address this in the GDT when you posted something similar last night, but didn't get a chance to. You said something to the effect is that they won't get in the playoffs (the refs, that is).

Just wanted to say that Dan O'Rourke is a veteran ref who is well-regarded and Francis Charron has a good track record so far as a junior referee (5 years in). They will indeed probably get some playoff time, but I agree with you in that I think they just had a bad game. I think if you ask them today they would tell you the same (if they were honest).

Refs have bad games too.

From the game sheet it was Devorski and Furlatt, which is actually yet another two different refs than you mentioned AND who I thought it was They DEFINITELY announced someone different there, because one of the names I didn't recognize at all. I agree with what you said, though.

 

[taz346]

I think a lot of you guys need to temper your expectations. Yes, the team went on a miraculous run last year, but the cracks were beginning to show. It wasn't like 2012, when they Sherman marched their way through the western conference. They disappeared for huge stretches in multiple series, and beat NYR on sheer guile.

This is a team very much in need of a retool. These blown leads, mental lapses, bizarre stretches of suck, they're all symptoms of that. The LA Kings may have been better than their regular season record indicated in years past, but not this season. They've played like a bubble team all year long, and will go through the usual ups and downs of a bubble team.

Let's cheer the triumphs and brush off the defeats, because things will be drastically different next year anyway.

Just now reading these assessments of last nights game. So much negativity, as usual. I think what you're saying here is the most accurate description of what's been going on. Making the p/o's would be nice, but my god, it's not a matter of life or death. There just needs to be some changes made this summer.

 

[Reclamation Project]

What a PGT!

 

[TonySCV]

So in five games: one ANA regulation win, one ANA OT win, one LA OT win, and two ANA shootout wins.

Bring these bums on in the playoffs, I say!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

So in five games: one ANA regulation win, one ANA OT win, one LA OT win, and two ANA shootout wins.

Bring these bums on in the playoffs, I say!

Got em right where we want em

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Gotta love Ducks fans, too; when Bailey pours popcorn on a fake fan, we're a classless organization, staples is the ghetto, la fans are horrible. When Ducks game entertainment goes around quizzing fans in the arena for their worst Kings fan experience, asks repeatedly how stupid kings fans are on the jumbo tron, and security does nothing when a beer is thrown at my 2 year old daughter, I'm a little ***** and should just toughen up and it's about time honda is a hostile environment. The hypocrisy is strong.

You wear an opposing jersey in another team's arena I think you can fairly expect some ribbing and roll with it, but they frankly embarrassed themselves last night, and all it does is rile up the natives. For an arena sooooo concerned with the invading guests, you'd think they'd smarten up.

Edit: should just say I'm a good guest, too. Quiet, don't even jump out of my seat when we score, don't go seeking trouble because of the above and i know it's annoying when it happens to us.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Last 20 GP - 13-5-2. 28 of 40 points.

Some of the posts are ****ing ridiculous. I'll wait for the "Well that record doesn't count because it's overinflated with that 8 game winning streak!" posts. Come on guys.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Last 20 GP - 13-5-2. 28 of 40 points.

Some of the posts are ****ing ridiculous. I'll wait for the "Well that record doesn't count because it's overinflated with that 8 game winning streak!" posts. Come on guys.

The big picture is strong. We just need to contine that pace, win 2/3 for the rest and we're gold.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Kings get 7 points on that road trip and it's a major success.

Plus they have their favorite side ***** coming up.

 

[YP44]

So in five games: one ANA regulation win, one ANA OT win, one LA OT win, and two ANA shootout wins.

Bring these bums on in the playoffs, I say!

the regulation win was ugly.
Lot's of three point games in there.

 

[YP44]

The big picture is strong. We just need to contine that pace, win 2/3 for the rest and we're gold.

yup, I am already nervous for Saturday. The nucks are somehow winning.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

yup, I am already nervous for Saturday. The nucks are somehow winning.

The Canucks are a team we just play exceptionally well against so it makes us think they're worse than they actually are. I, too, am very nervous.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Last 20 GP - 13-5-2. 28 of 40 points.

Some of the posts are ****ing ridiculous. I'll wait for the "Well that record doesn't count because it's overinflated with that 8 game winning streak!" posts. Come on guys.

Stay with that, and it gets them 99 points, which should be enough. 7-3-1 during that 20 games on the road. If they could get 11 points in the 8 remaining road games, that would be huge. Difficult, but possible.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

One of the 'problems' that's been a strength for us because of our depth is matchups. At home Sutter doesn't care about em (other than shuffling minutes around), and on the road coaches that hard match do so and Sutter doesn't care. On one hand it's nice to play our game and not change our strategy, on another that's the small-margin-of-victory things that add up. Love what they've been providing but we kept getting hemmed in on mismatches for the Getzlaf line. Especially since the ducks in particular literally got Kesler just to cuddle with Kopitar, this could be problematic this year.

 

[Ron*]

From the game sheet it was Devorski and Furlatt, which is actually yet another two different refs than you mentioned AND who I thought it was They DEFINITELY announced someone different there, because one of the names I didn't recognize at all. I agree with what you said, though.

Ha ha, that's what I get for visiting the wrong web site!

I will have to pay more attention to the game sheet next time...I always have a better feel for who the refs are when I go to the games myself.

 

[Ron*]

The Canucks are a team we just play exceptionally well against so it makes us think they're worse than they actually are. I, too, am very nervous.

Match ups.

For the same reason we ended up 1-1-3 against ANA. Match ups. This time, I don't think their will be a 4-3 victory in the playoffs against ANA. They have definitely improved their lineup and Kesler has been the answer with 5 goals in 5 games against the Kings and at least two game winners that I recall.

 

[DocWest]

Gotta love Ducks fans, too; when Bailey pours popcorn on a fake fan, we're a classless organization, staples is the ghetto, la fans are horrible. When Ducks game entertainment goes around quizzing fans in the arena for their worst Kings fan experience, asks repeatedly how stupid kings fans are on the jumbo tron, and security does nothing when a beer is thrown at my 2 year old daughter, I'm a little ***** and should just toughen up and it's about time honda is a hostile environment. The hypocrisy is strong.

You wear an opposing jersey in another team's arena I think you can fairly expect some ribbing and roll with it, but they frankly embarrassed themselves last night, and all it does is rile up the natives. For an arena sooooo concerned with the invading guests, you'd think they'd smarten up.

Edit: should just say I'm a good guest, too. Quiet, don't even jump out of my seat when we score, don't go seeking trouble because of the above and i know it's annoying when it happens to us.

That's awful. Who told you to toughen up?

 

[YP44]

Gotta love Ducks fans, too; when Bailey pours popcorn on a fake fan, we're a classless organization, staples is the ghetto, la fans are horrible. When Ducks game entertainment goes around quizzing fans in the arena for their worst Kings fan experience, asks repeatedly how stupid kings fans are on the jumbo tron, and security does nothing when a beer is thrown at my 2 year old daughter, I'm a little ***** and should just toughen up and it's about time honda is a hostile environment. The hypocrisy is strong.

You wear an opposing jersey in another team's arena I think you can fairly expect some ribbing and roll with it, but they frankly embarrassed themselves last night, and all it does is rile up the natives. For an arena sooooo concerned with the invading guests, you'd think they'd smarten up.

Edit: should just say I'm a good guest, too. Quiet, don't even jump out of my seat when we score, don't go seeking trouble because of the above and i know it's annoying when it happens to us.

WHomever threw that better feel like a piece of ****. I have to assume they were aiming for you, cause that would be friggin brutal.
Sorry you had such a crap experience.
I go to alot of flames games in my kings gear and usually they are really good to me. I get chirpped but that is to be expected and it never crosses a line.
The Flames and Kings haven't been battling for a playoff spot in a long time though, so the April 9th game i will see how fans are.

 

[Static]

Gotta love Ducks fans, too; when Bailey pours popcorn on a fake fan, we're a classless organization, staples is the ghetto, la fans are horrible. When Ducks game entertainment goes around quizzing fans in the arena for their worst Kings fan experience, asks repeatedly how stupid kings fans are on the jumbo tron, and security does nothing when a beer is thrown at my 2 year old daughter, I'm a little ***** and should just toughen up and it's about time honda is a hostile environment. The hypocrisy is strong.

You wear an opposing jersey in another team's arena I think you can fairly expect some ribbing and roll with it, but they frankly embarrassed themselves last night, and all it does is rile up the natives. For an arena sooooo concerned with the invading guests, you'd think they'd smarten up.

Edit: should just say I'm a good guest, too. Quiet, don't even jump out of my seat when we score, don't go seeking trouble because of the above and i know it's annoying when it happens to us.

The issue is that it has happened countless times the other way around in our own arena over the years. In the last game alone between the two there were multiple fights started by kings fans in the building.

Does that make it right? No, absolutely not. It should never happen to anyone. Still, the Honda center is on one hand mocked for its lax atmosphere while on the other hand much more road fan friendly.

The kings arena is much more intense while not as road friendly. That's perfectly good and fine, but the history of fan interactions gone bad is much more extensive there than in Anaheim. That is just the con of a more invested, rooted fan base.

So yeah, it is grating to here such complaints about an arena experience that has been so often tilted the other way. That said, it really is too bad some obnoxious idiots had to even take it there, especially with a kid around. That's never ok.

 

[YP44]

Match ups.

For the same reason we ended up 1-1-3 against ANA. Match ups. This time, I don't think their will be a 4-3 victory in the playoffs against ANA. They have definitely improved their lineup and Kesler has been the answer with 5 goals in 5 games against the Kings and at least two game winners that I recall.

Kessler is exactly what the ducks needed.