Kings did not trade for Chychrun!

[DoktorJeep]

indeed either Luc or Beckerman

I hope whatever move it is, it is a move for the future and not the past where we acquired a Jeff Halpern way past his prime Freddy Modin

The best actual evidence for Cal killing a deal is Copley’s surprise extension right before the Chyrcun rumors broke.

 

[Herby]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

 

[bmr]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

Depends on your criteria for being the 2nd best defenseman. Are you speaking from an offensive standpoint? I think a lot of us have grown pretty fond of Mikey A. and what he has meant to the team this year. Do we see Chychrun as being a guy who can lock players down? His advanced metrics don't really show that capacity.

 

[Herby]

Depends on your criteria for being the 2nd best defenseman. Are you speaking from an offensive standpoint? I think a lot of us have grown pretty fond of Mikey A. and what he has meant to the team this year. Do we see Chychrun as being a guy who can lock players down? His advanced metrics don't really show that capacity.

No, he’s not as good defensively as Anderson, but he is a better player. I like Anderson a lot too, should we downgrade him for not being able to contribute offensively or in the transition game like JC would? People on this forum (IMO) overrate defensive dman and underrate offensive ones.

If the Kings offered Anderson around the league would he return as much as JC? No, so that should tell you who is the more valuable asset.

A top 4 of Doughty, Chychrun, Anderson and Roy would be one of the best top 4’s in the league. There is some injury risk for sure, but there were risks with all the guys DL traded for as well. You have to roll the dice at some point.

 

[bmr]

No, he’s not as good defensively as Anderson, but he is a better player. I like Anderson a lot too, should we downgrade him for not being able to contribute offensively or in the transition game like JC would? People on this forum (IMO) overrate defensive dman and underrate offensive ones.

If the Kings offered Anderson around the league would he return as much as JC? No, so that should tell you who is the more valuable asset.

A top 4 of Doughty, Chychrun, Anderson and Roy would be one of the best top 4’s in the league. There is some injury risk for sure, but there were risks with all the guys DL traded for as well. You have to roll the dice at some point.

I'm down to roll the dice as long as it doesn't include Clarke/Byfield/Vilardi.

 

[KINGS17]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

Everyone knows JC can walk on water, if He feels like it.

He can also do that whole water into to wine thing, which comes in handy at those fish fries He provides.

 

[Fishhead]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

I'm fine with the trade if it's not Byfield or Clarke. I think JC's game would elevate here, he'd be free to romp on the 2nd pairing with a solid guy next to him.

He has been deployed at 2nd pairing or lower as far as matchups go his entire career. I don't think it's so much that couldn't be a #2, it's that he's never really shown it. Normally I would blame that on coaching, but when it's year after year it's more than that. He would certainly be our best offensive guy, but he would have to show a lot before I would even consider putting him out with a big game on the line.

 

[Master Yoda]

I'm down to roll the dice as long as it doesn't include Clarke/Byfield/Vilardi.

Add Spence/Kaliyev, and Turcotte, and this year's 1st to the list.
After trading last year's 1st, they can't afford to trade 2 consecutive 1st round picks, and I'm still high on Turcotte, probably more than most here.

I also know I can't have good things for free, but I'd be bummed if any of those were involved.
I'd part with Durzi, '24 1st, and any prospect other than the above.
If that's not enough, then so be it. I'm not sure Chychrun is the right guy to move those pieces.

 

[bland]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

They weren't the same thing.

Doughty started those years strong then as the teams faded from contention he tried to do way, way too much. He never lacked ambition or phoned a game in, he just over played his hand to the point he was burned out.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No, he’s not as good defensively as Anderson, but he is a better player. I like Anderson a lot too, should we downgrade him for not being able to contribute offensively or in the transition game like JC would? People on this forum (IMO) overrate defensive dman and underrate offensive ones.

If the Kings offered Anderson around the league would he return as much as JC? No, so that should tell you who is the more valuable asset.

A top 4 of Doughty, Chychrun, Anderson and Roy would be one of the best top 4’s in the league. There is some injury risk for sure, but there were risks with all the guys DL traded for as well. You have to roll the dice at some point.

I think the dissonance in the conversation is 'what's his trade value' vs. 'what is he going to be as a player on a competitive team.'

I don't think there's any evidence he's an all-situations #1 dman on a contender. #2? Sure. Like I said, more in common with Muzzin than Doughty.

But they want Eichel value for Muzzin/Seth Jones.

 

[Statto]

I do think it’s a bit interesting how so many are quick to dog on JC but would excuse Doughty and his many terrible games during the dark years and chalk it up to “not being motivated because of the team around him”

Not saying JC is at the level of Doughty, but he has been in a terrible situation most of his career and it is tough to get motivated night in and night out, just as it was with Doughty.

Some of the comments about him barely being a #3 defenseman and stuff like that are a bit to over the top for my liking, he has some flaws but he also has some traits that are top end. He would immediately step in and be the Kings 2nd best defenseman. I don’t want to trade either of our big 2 big youth pieces, but a package built around other pieces is going to make this team better for the life of the AK, DD era.

I think he’s a number 3, but maybe he proves to be a number 2. I just don’t want to pay the price of a top pairing guy when he hasn’t yet shown that. I also think we’d be better off with a different type of LHD to balance the lineup better. We need a guy that can play pk, play a shutdown role and be on the ice when we are defending a 1 goal lead with a minute remaining. That guy is probably cheaper too.

 

[onlyalad]

Just opinions but I thought this part echos what many here have said.

NHL Rumors: The Arizona Coyotes, Los Angeles Kings, Jakob Chychrun and Brandt Clarke - NHL Rumors

Speculation running rampant between the Los Angeles Kings, Arizona Coyotes and Jakob Chychrun. Seems unlikely that Brandt Clarke is involved.

nhlrumors.com

Friedman: “Yes, we’re past that phase. I think the LA Kings made it very clear not only to the Coyotes but other teams, that in anything we consider, we are not including Quinten Byfield and Brandt Clarke. I think they felt strongly about that and I had heard that they had let everybody know that internally and everyone who asked about it externally. No Byfield. No Clarke.

 

[YP44]

so if the hold up is a player with contract going the other way is that Cal or Walker?

 

[Bandit]

Every time I see this thread title I want to punch a kitten in the face.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Kings aren't going to make a move to get Chychrun the asking price is still ridiculously stupid. During the Off-season maybe LA signs V Gavrikov or just may trade for him if the BlueJackets come down their own ridiculous asking price

 

[FSL KINGS]

It cost the rangers a second and conditional third which can become a second if it gets push a year to unload 2 years and $2.5 mill of Nemeth. So if LA is trying to include Paterson in this deal it’s going to cost like a first rounder just for that. Or a minimum of 2 seconds as he’s due $11 mill over the next 2 seasons so it’s real money not just cap hit.

Fair price for Chychrun includes the cap to make it work. You don't want Cal? Fine, AZ is compensating the King's for Walker & Iafallo. They have value, I'd say a late first together easily. So go ahead & knock that price down.

 

[LAKings88]

Every time I see this thread title I want to punch a kitten in the face.

Funny thing is, I still want him, but at the right cost. I’m not gonna cry if they stand pat or go with someone else either.

 

[Seattle King]

Funny thing is, I still want him, but at the right cost. I’m not gonna cry if they stand par or go with someone else either.

If the cost works out sure. I am beginning to view McCabe as the guy who checks the most boxes and might be the best value of the group Blake is looking at. He is a solid 2nd pair LHD who has term at $4M. Good guy to have in the room from what I read. Going to know his role and play it well. Someone who will stay home while Durzi goes adventuring.
I would still want another LHD with size on the 3rd pair.

 

[Sol]

Can one of you advance stats dudes pull up Edlers analytics?

 

[LAKings88]

Can one of you advance stats dudes pull up Edlers analytics?

His not there for analytics but mentorship ;-)

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Can one of you advance stats dudes pull up Edlers analytics?

 

[Bandit]

Can one of you advance stats dudes pull up Edlers analytics?

Offense:
Defense:
Intanjiblez:
Haircut:

 

[kings11]

Can one of you advance stats dudes pull up Edlers analytics?

Sure ….

 

[Bandit]

but at the right cost.

That’s the trick.

Walker, Durzi, Grundstrom, and a second? Sure.

Byfield, Clarke, a 1st, a 2nd and a lay with my wife? Get the f*** out of here.

 

[unicornpig]

I'm down to roll the dice as long as it doesn't include Clarke/Byfield/Vilardi.

i'd throw spence and kaliyev as well