Kings claim Brendan Leipsic on waivers from Vancouver

[Peter James Bond II]

This is definitely not true. He is having an off year, but if Toffoli consistently scores 20+ goals a year. He still has good trade value. Toffoli should return a 1st rounder, 2nd round, and really good prospect in my opinion. Just look at what Tatar got last year at the deadline.

Talk about pure insanity. Can you make bets on here? PM me and I will. If TT returns ONE #1 draft pick bet....

 

[YP44]

So he runs his mouth and doesn't back it up? Awesome.

I'm going to wait and hold my judgement but if he gets other teams to take penalties than awesome.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Pure insanity

what team would pick up his 4.6 cap hit, with one more year on his contract? Sure, there would be several teams willing to trade assets and equal or near
cap hit back, but no team would pick him up with his 4.6 mil cap hit,
but just taking on that contract and a below avg TOP 6er.

He's on pace for 15 goals 21 assists 36 pts and worthless, if he's not scoring...and he sure isn't.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Talk about pure insanity. Can you make bets on here? PM me and I will. If TT returns ONE #1 draft pick bet....

Are you claiming that Tatar is better than Toffoli? Tatar returned a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. Toffoli has a cup, is younger, has about the same career goal/assist stats than Tatar, and better defensively. Toffoli will for certain get at least a 1st if traded and more.

 

[YP44]

what team would pick up his 4.6 cap hit, with one more year on his contract? Sure, there would be several teams willing to trade assets and equal or near
cap hit back, but no team would pick him up with his 4.6 mil cap hit,
but just taking on that contract and a below avg TOP 6er.

He's on pace for 15 goals 21 assists 36 pts and worthless, if he's not scoring...and he sure isn't.

Chicago, Vegas, Winnipeg, Nashville, Columbus, Vancouver, Arizona, Ottawa, Philadelphia, Montreal, New York Islanders, Colorado, New Jersey and Carolina all have the cap space and I would have think the vast majority of them would make a claim.

Other teams would make room if they needed to.

 

[YP44]

Are you claiming that Tatar is better than Toffoli? Tatar returned a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. Toffoli has a cup, is younger, has about the same career goal/assist stats than Tatar, and better defensively. Toffoli will for certain get at least a 1st if traded and more.

Tatar deal should not be used as a benchmark IMO as that is a case of a trade where most people shook their heads as soon as it happened.

 

[rajuabju]

You do realize Clifford has one less goal than Carter, Kovalchuk, Toffoli, and Iafallo with significant less ice time.

Stop spewing out nonsense. Clifford 100% deserves to be in the line-up.

I did not, and you are correct. We need to bench him, as he's producing too much.

While not mathematically eliminated, we have no practical chance of making the playoffs. Hence, I support tanking, and getting the best possible drafting position.

 

[crassbonanza]

Sorry bud, but that's just nonsense tripe because your favorite team isn't winning....

I bolded the parts that are just...nonsense, Thompson busts his ass out there every shift, game in, game out, he's not going to pot you 20 goals, etc,

Rempal, Wagner, Amadio, Luff even, they have to earn their minutes, you want to create prima donna attitudes, give those kids 15-16 minutes a game, you think the team is a train wreck now?

It's amazing how people want the ice time doled out, it's not about how much ice time you have, it's about what you do with what you get and right now, Rempal, Amadio, Wagner, and Luff, aren't doing much with what they are getting, they need to consistently be doing something out there other than eating minutes, once that happens, then you can talk about upping their minutes, and I'm not saying they have to score every shift or even create chances, though that is part of it, but quit doing the fly bys, finish the checks, stops, starts, all the little things, that they are overlooking, stop overlooking them, and then their minutes will go up...

Are you seriously arguing that because Thompson is a hard worker that he deserves his power play time?

 

[DoktorJeep]

Are you seriously arguing that because Thompson is a hard worker that he deserves his power play time?

Not to put words in anyone’s mouth, but I understand the argument is that effort should earn ice time, and prospects need to demonstrate role player skills before they are relied on for offense.

 

[Kingspiracy]

So he runs his mouth and doesn't back it up? Awesome.

Welcome to the new NHL, the year of the rat.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Are you seriously arguing that because Thompson is a hard worker that he deserves his power play time?

Not sure where I said anything about power play time, penalty kill time.....I said ice time. Thompson on PP#2 is fine....everyone was bitching about the PPs not working, so there is a change made, and now everyone is bitching about the change....so which way do you want it?

 

[ProstheticConscience]

"Leipsic has an innate ability to get under his opponent’s skin. Leipsic has been called the most annoying prospect in hockey by the Hockey News and has apparently won an award for his trouble. He’s the kind of player you’d hate to face, but would love to have him on your team"

This was pretty much limited to his junior career. He calmed down since.

Glad LA has a **** disturber

You don't. At least it won't be Leipsic, unless he returns to his junior ways which were abandoned years ago.

Leipsic's a good skater, but not really much else. Small guy. Doesn't really take the body much. Around here he was the heir to the Mason Raymond "skate round and round really fast then fall down for no reason" trophy. If does rat stuff, he didn't do much here. I dunno, he's a warm body if you get him for free on waivers. Pretty much the classic AHL/NHL tweener. Price was definitely right for you guys, though.

 

[crassbonanza]

Not sure where I said anything about power play time, penalty kill time.....I said ice time. Thompson on PP#2 is fine....everyone was *****ing about the PPs not working, so there is a change made, and now everyone is *****ing about the change....so which way do you want it?

The discussion regarding people upset at Thompson has centered on him being deployed on the PP2 unit. Your last argument doesn't even make sense, it is not a zero sum discussion. You can both think the powerplay needed a change and that putting Thompson on it was not the change needed. Thompson is a black hole and the puck seems to die on his stick. There is a reason why he has only topped 18 points once in his career and is the worst possession forward on this years Kings team. He is not an offensive player and him being given power play time severely handicaps the team.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Tatar deal should not be used as a benchmark IMO as that is a case of a trade where most people shook their heads as soon as it happened.

That's often the case with these deadline deals. There are multiple teams bidding to pick up a player that will give them depth or put them over the top. There are also deals made just to stay at par with a competitor who picked up a player at the deadline. That said, I don't think anyone would shake their head in disbelief is Toffoli landed a 1st rounder+.

 

[Fishhead]

Look what Rick Nash got as a rental. If anything, trades like Nash and Tatar show that GM's are as crazy as they ever were and will do stupid things out of desperation. And they do stupid things consistently.

 

[YP44]

That's often the case with these deadline deals. There are multiple teams bidding to pick up a player that will give them depth or put them over the top. There are also deals made just to stay at par with a competitor who picked up a player at the deadline. That said, I don't think anyone would shake their head in disbelief is Toffoli landed a 1st rounder+.

I think the trend has actually been away from the overpayment of players at the deadline. I absolutely agree I would not be shocked if TT was dealt for a 1st plus, but it also would nto shock me if he wasn't even dealt at all and instead dealt at the draft.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The discussion regarding people upset at Thompson has centered on him being deployed on the PP2 unit. Your last argument doesn't even make sense, it is not a zero sum discussion. You can both think the powerplay needed a change and that putting Thompson on it was not the change needed. Thompson is a black hole and the puck seems to die on his stick. There is a reason why he has only topped 18 points once in his career and is the worst possession forward on this years Kings team. He is not an offensive player and him being given power play time severely handicaps the team.

And yet, Thompson has as many PPG goals as Kopitar, Iafallo, Kempe, etc, but I'm not sure his 00:35 of PP time per game is something to get bent out of shape for...

 

[AlphaBravo]

I think the trend has actually been away from the overpayment of players at the deadline. I absolutely agree I would not be shocked if TT was dealt for a 1st plus, but it also would nto shock me if he wasn't even dealt at all and instead dealt at the draft.

Yeah, I did not say that Toffoli will be dealt. I actually think Blake wont move him. Blake hasn't shown that he is in full rebuild mentality.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Yeah, I did not say that Toffoli will be dealt. I actually think Blake wont move him. Blake hasn't shown that he is in full rebuild mentality.

He's actively trying to make deals, but it's largely because he's dealing from a position of weakness...as seen as the return on Pearson. All King players have lost
trade value this year, because most all of them are playing terrible and have abysmal stats. I'm sure if GMs are asked about interest in such and such, if there
is interest, they are wanting the Kings to take back equal salary that is a marginal player as well....and / or wanting Blake to add one of the top prospects
or high picks. Makes it hard to re-tool, rebuild. Other than a possible Muzzin or Quik deal, any other player will bring back a deal most will not like.

 

[regulate]

And yet, Thompson has as many PPG goals as Kopitar, Iafallo, Kempe, etc, but I'm not sure his 00:35 of PP time per game is something to get bent out of shape for...

There is no justification, none, for putting the worst offensive player on the team with the worst possession metrics on the PP unit. Putting a player on the PP that has never scored a PP goal in 646 NHL games is just inane boarding on insane. That 35 seconds is a skewed number averaged with the less than 10 seconds he would get earlier in the season when the lines changed out at the end of an unsuccessful PP and he came on the ice. Example: 2:33 on the PP last night. It is truly the most puzzling use of personnel I can imagine.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

There is no justification, none, for putting the worst offensive player on the team with the worst possession metrics on the PP unit. Putting a player on the PP that has never scored a PP goal in 646 NHL games is just inane boarding on insane. That 35 seconds is a skewed number averaged with the less than 10 seconds he would get earlier in the season when the lines changed out at the end of an unsuccessful PP and he came on the ice. Example: 2:33 on the PP last night. It is truly the most puzzling use of personnel I can imagine.

Why? Big body, in front of the net, creates screens/chaos,

It really isn't a hard concept....anyone else in that spot gets annihilated....the exception, might be Luff....maybe....

 

[KingsFan7824]

This is definitely not true. He is having an off year, but if Toffoli consistently scores 20+ goals a year. He still has good trade value. Toffoli should return a 1st rounder, 2nd round, and really good prospect in my opinion. Just look at what Tatar got last year at the deadline.

Tatar brought back a 1st in 2018, a 2nd in 2019, and a 3rd in 2021. If Toffoli were traded this year, that's a (probable) late 1st in 2019, a 2nd in 2020, and a 3rd in 2022. Not to mention Vegas had a bunch of extra picks, cap space, and were riding high as one of the biggest stories in sports. Toffoli is going to being back 3 assets? One being a really good prospect, on top of a 1st? From a normal team in a normal situation? If they get it, they get it, but don't expect that. No two trades are created equal.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[deaderhead28]

Tatar brought back a 1st in 2018, a 2nd in 2019, and a 3rd in 2021. If Toffoli were traded this year, that's a (probable) late 1st in 2019, a 2nd in 2020, and a 3rd in 2022. Not to mention Vegas had a bunch of extra picks, cap space, and were riding high as one of the biggest stories in sports. Toffoli is going to being back 3 assets? One being a really good prospect, on top of a 1st? From a normal team in a normal situation? If they get it, they get it, but don't expect that. No two trades are created equal.

If you dont get fair compensation for Toffoli you dont trade him period.If you sold him low you should be fired for being a moron on mismanaging important asset.I personally dont think Toffoli should be traded and think he is part of the future.Theres more important players that should go before Toffoli.

 

[crassbonanza]

And yet, Thompson has as many PPG goals as Kopitar, Iafallo, Kempe, etc, but I'm not sure his 00:35 of PP time per game is something to get bent out of shape for...

When we have the worst offense in the league and one of the worst powerplay's in the league, you can't really waste valuable offensive minutes on an aging 4th line grinder. Even if the season is a waste, it would be more valuable to give that ice time to younger players. I get that you always want to have opposing view points, but having Thompson eating those minutes makes absolutely no sence. There is no good reason to have him on that unit as a regular.