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GoldenBearHockey said:
Here's this gem,

KINGS17, Jan 16, 2016 - The Kings are very fortunate to have a player like Jeff Carter in the lineup that stays in top physical condition and looks like he will be able to provide a sustainable high level of play for quite some time for a modest cost.

Then there's this one

KINGS17, Mar 17, 2017 -The Kings may have to trade their best contract, and player this season in Jeff Carter, in order to start getting younger and less expensive players in here.
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Yep, and by the time the 2016 trade deadline approached I was beginning to see the trend. The point is, Carter should have been traded at least two years ago. What were you thinking in March of 2017? I am sure you thought the Kings were still contenders, and only needed a player like Kovalchuk. You got nothing GBH except your lame defense of the management of this crap show.

Thanks for digging that up and proving my point.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Here's this gem,

KINGS17, Jan 16, 2016 - The Kings are very fortunate to have a player like Jeff Carter in the lineup that stays in top physical condition and looks like he will be able to provide a sustainable high level of play for quite some time for a modest cost.

Then there's this one

KINGS17, Mar 17, 2017 -The Kings may have to trade their best contract, and player this season in Jeff Carter, in order to start getting younger and less expensive players in here.
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During the 2015-16 season when the Kings are in first place, K17 admires Jeff Carter.

2017, K17 says they should look at trading the team's leading goal scorer. He even says he is the best player and contract on the team.

You're cherry picking is not up to Pavel Bure's standards.
 
KINGS17 said:
Yep, and by the time the 2016 trade deadline approached I was beginning to see the trend. The point is, Carter should have been traded at least two years ago. What were you thinking in March of 2017? I am sure you thought the Kings were still contenders, and only needed a player like Kovalchuk. You got nothing GBH except your lame defense of the management of this crap show.

Thanks for digging that up and proving my point.
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Proving your point what? That it wasn't THREE years ago like you claimed, that it was LAST year?

Umm....ok, sure.

What was I thinking in March of 2017, who the hell knows.
 
BigKing said:
During the 2015-16 season when the Kings are in first place, K17 admires Jeff Carter.

2017, K17 says they should look at trading the team's leading goal scorer. He even says he is the best player and contract on the team.

You're cherry picking is not up to Pavel Bure's standards.
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Ya missed the point, he is claiming that it wasn't hindsight, that it was foresight because THREE YEARS AGO he was saying they should trade Carter....
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Apparently you...you were the one that asked, or did you forget that already? I mean it's understandable to forget what you said in 2016 vs 2017, but 5 minutes ago? Might wanna have that looked at
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It was a rhetorical question. You might want to look up rhetorical.

 
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As for DL and the 2017 season, it is a big part of my argument against the mob mentality that always says "He would have traded the Vilardi pick and this pick etc."

He did jack shit in the Summer of '16 except offer Lucic a contract he would never sign and then bring in a bunch of fodder. He had gambled and lost every time he stepped to the table, starting with Richards in June of '14.

He knew he was out of chips. We can bring up the Cernak trade but, for whatever reason, they had soured on him enough to move him in what wasn't a huge deal or anything. Those same scouts are still running the show. Iginla cost nothing and was a good move just for some of the young guys to be around. Kempe was called up and so was Ladue.

That 2017 season was an admission that the ride was over. He didn't get the chance to fix his mistakes but, hey, actions have consequences.

Problem here is that Blake decided to keep everyone around, only moving someone once their value was at an all-time low. This isn't just players either: it is the staff as well.

Due to this, I have a hard time with Blake praise as he's just sat around and drafted guys. Credit to closing on UDFAs but some act like Lombardi never tried to do this. A lot easier to sign guys when they see a garbage team v. a team that doesn't appear to have openings. Still, it is the only thing I can really say "good job" for in regards to Blake.

His signature moves at the NHL level are hiring Stevens and being the sucker that went three years on Kovalchuk. I believe I said at the time that the Kovalchuk signing was Blake putting his balls on the table. Well, they are getting smashed right now.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Ya missed the point, he is claiming that it wasn't hindsight, that it was foresight because THREE YEARS AGO he was saying they should trade Carter....
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So you got him and it was actually two seasons ago in the midst of Carter being the best forward on the team.

The quote you picked up in 2016...you lifted out of a longer conversation where K17 is pretty much saying they should trade Kopitar instead of giving him all that money.

So, point is, he has advocated moving on from marquee players on this team as far back as THREE YEARS AGO, meaning he saw the writing on the wall.

The only reason he moved on to Carter is because Kopitar signed on the dotted line and became near impossible to move. Carter was still producing and had an easier contract to move.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
After 2015, when they played like they didn't care if they made the playoffs in the last month of the season, the following happened:

- Kings traded Martin Jones, Colin Miller, and the 13th overall pick to Boston for Milan Lucic.
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Kings gave up Jones, Miller, and Charlie McAvoy/Alex DeBrincat for Milan Lucic? Oof....we got taken to the cleaners.

edit: whoops, McAvoy/DeBrincat was Sekera. Nevermind :thumbd: 2015, yikes....missed out on a bunch there too.
 
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BigKing said:
So you got him and it was actually two seasons ago in the midst of Carter being the best forward on the team.

The quote you picked up in 2016...you lifted out of a longer conversation where K17 is pretty much saying they should trade Kopitar instead of giving him all that money.

So, point is, he has advocated moving on from marquee players on this team as far back as THREE YEARS AGO, meaning he saw the writing on the wall.

The only reason he moved on to Carter is because Kopitar signed on the dotted line and became near impossible to move. Carter was still producing and had an easier contract to move.
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The bold goes to my point that he has ABSOLUTELY NO f***ING IDEA of how Pro Sports works.....I appreciate you picking that out for me, saves me the trouble.

If you think that ANY TEAM a year after winning the cup is MOVING ON FROM MARQUEE PLAYERS, you are out of your freaking mind....

Unless there is a reason, ie Kareem Hunt, Ray Rice, etc, there is NO TEAM that moves on from MARQUEE PLAYERS, the year after winning the championship in that sport.

It's absolutely bonkers to actually have to state that....but thats what happens when video game happy people think that what happens in NHL 17, is what should happen in real life.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
The bold goes to my point that he has ABSOLUTELY NO ****ING IDEA of how Pro Sports works.....I appreciate you picking that out for me, saves me the trouble.

If you think that ANY TEAM a year after winning the cup is MOVING ON FROM MARQUEE PLAYERS, you are out of your freaking mind....

Unless there is a reason, ie Kareem Hunt, Ray Rice, etc, there is NO TEAM that moves on from MARQUEE PLAYERS, the year after winning the championship in that sport.

It's absolutely bonkers to actually have to state that....but thats what happens when video game happy people think that what happens in NHL 17, is what should happen in real life.
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Perhaps SOME teams SHOULD think that WAY. YOU know HOW maybe NOT ALL GMS or PRO Sports TEAMS are CORRECT in their THINKING. I wasnt having any opinion on if we should trade Carter or not, or make big moves after the cup however, to state that because no one would do that then it is a bad idea when so few GMs actually win anything is a really stupid argument IMO.

Our team is horrible this year and has been for quite some time, maybe some GMs should think more like some of the fans on this board? Perhaps selling high on some players in this cap league actually makes some sense?

Also do you think you could tone down the all cap words and saying things like FFS so often? I know you like to think you are very intelligent and have all the answers, are better then everyone etc... but it really hurts your image when you type the way you type. DO YOU THINK THAT ANY ADULT would type THAT WAY??? FFS!!! NO one WOULD!!!!!
 
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riznat said:
Perhaps SOME teams SHOULD think that WAY. YOU know HOW maybe NOT ALL GMS or PRO Sports TEAMS are CORRECT in their THINKING. I wasnt having any opinion on if we should trade Carter or not, or make big moves after the cup however, to state that because no one would do that then it is a bad idea when so few GMs actually win anything is a really stupid argument IMO.

Our team is horrible this year and has been for quite some time, maybe some GMs should think more like some of the fans on this board? Perhaps selling high on some players in this cap league actually makes some sense?

Also do you think you could tone down the all cap words and saying things like FFS so often? I know you like to think you are very intelligent and have all the answers, are better then everyone etc... but it really hurts your image when you type the way you type. DO YOU THINK THAT ANYONE ADULT would type THAT WAY??? FFS!!! NO one WOULD!!!!!
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I'd like to think adults wouldn't do half the shit they do, wouldn't you?

Should some GM's think that way? That is an excellent debate, honest answer, I have no idea.

What does it tell the team that just won the championship, if you trade one of the cornerstones of that championship because you don't want to pay them? People make fun of intangibles in sport, but they are real.

Again, you are talking about human beings, not small little computer made people on a screen just for your amusement.

Maybe you are right, maybe GMs should think that way, but I have a feeling that they won't, because they are paid to win, and a year away from winning the championship, trading a cornerstone of that because you don't want to pay him, to me, if I was on that team, I would receive that message as a big f*** you, we don't care if you win or not, we aren't paying you, and my response, would be fine, f*** you, I'm done sacrificing to win, I will just move on.

What would your attitude be, if at your job, you were crucial, absolutely crucial to landing a multi-million dollar account, and then, two weeks later, they fired you so they wouldn't have to pay you a commission? Or told you, yea, thanks for the account, but f*** off we aren't going to give you a raise no matter what you did for us....

Same thing in sports, I would imagine.
 
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