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KINGS17 said:
Again you missed the point. Why would a player who is getting moved out of Tampa with 16 teams on his list, put Calgary or Edmonton on their list? I can think of plenty of reasons why a player would have LA on their list.
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Because they don't want to leave? Maybe they'll put teams on their list that TB will have a more difficult time making a deal with, in order to sabotage any potential deals, as TB might be their best chance to win a Cup.

Every guy with a NTC in TB might have LA as their #1 team if they get traded for all anyone knows. At the same time, I think you might be making it too easy, because it makes Robitaille and Blake look bad if nothing happens. Nothing happens, and Blake isn't creative. Everything that makes Robitaille a bad executive, is going to help them get rid of Brown's contract? Why would that be attractive to anyone that wants to win? Why would guys that want to win in TB, choose LA as a destination, when this is a country club with no direction or leadership? Who wants to be attached to that? Hagelin is already hurt. There's bad mojo with the Kings. Come here, get hurt before the deadline, and there's no playoffs for you.

Pick the other 15 teams in the East, and Nashville. You want to trade me, go make a deal with that BriseBois. Otherwise, I'm fine right here in my own self interest on a contender, thanks.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Not sure if this has been posted...

NHL's Age of Heartlessness could soon test Doughty and the Kings - Sportsnet.ca
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Hahahahahah Damien Cox.

Everyone is an expert on what contenders have to do now...yet no one has even had to come close to dealing with that yet. Hell there's a million non-winners in the league right now STILL waiting to get past the decade long Pittsburgh-Chicago-LA gridlock and they want to lecture everyone on what they should do with their contracts? Half of these teams are going to get dismantled before they even have the honor of worrying about that. Toronto first and foremost. They wont' even have to pay the 'big three' they were worried about at this point!

Can't wait till the national media suddenly pays attention to TBLs entire roster full of NTCs, or Toronto's actually-garbage defense when the playoffs start, etc.

Soooo f***ing smug and smart right now, the schaudenfraude of TO tears is going to be delicious, particularly the media for stuff like that.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Hahahahahah Damien Cox.

Everyone is an expert on what contenders have to do now...yet no one has even had to come close to dealing with that yet. Hell there's a million non-winners in the league right now STILL waiting to get past the decade long Pittsburgh-Chicago-LA gridlock and they want to lecture everyone on what they should do with their contracts? Half of these teams are going to get dismantled before they even have the honor of worrying about that. Toronto first and foremost. They wont' even have to pay the 'big three' they were worried about at this point!
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Plenty of WTF comments in it, it read like someone here wrote it. An owner would throw a GM to the curb if he let Kane/Toews/Kopitar/Doughty walk or traded them. They would never allow it to get to that. Sorry, but it had to be done.

Reminds me of this - "hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back its still a bit fuzzy"
 
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Herby said:
Why?

I would say they have a pretty good shot not only this year but for the next few years.
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I totally agree--but they've also accelerated their decision-making point on several key contracts and players. They have assets to move and build, but we'll see how smart Damien Cox thinks they are when they're forced to make a hard decision. Hell they're already struggling with their 2nd-tier RFA.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Hahahahahah Damien Cox.

Everyone is an expert on what contenders have to do now...yet no one has even had to come close to dealing with that yet. Hell there's a million non-winners in the league right now STILL waiting to get past the decade long Pittsburgh-Chicago-LA gridlock and they want to lecture everyone on what they should do with their contracts? Half of these teams are going to get dismantled before they even have the honor of worrying about that. Toronto first and foremost. They wont' even have to pay the 'big three' they were worried about at this point!

Can't wait till the national media suddenly pays attention to TBLs entire roster full of NTCs, or Toronto's actually-garbage defense when the playoffs start, etc.

Soooo ****ing smug and smart right now, the schaudenfraude of TO tears is going to be delicious, particularly the media for stuff like that.
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This is continually brought up without mentioning many of Tampa Bay's players have limited NTCs which require them to submit a list of teams they are willing to accept a trade to which encompasses half the teams in the NHL.

Perhaps the solution here is to not only eliminate the guaranteed contract or reduce the maximum number of years a player can be signed for, but also to reduce the percentage of cap hit a maximum salary can eat up.

The GMs, and maybe the owners too, can't seem to help themselves when it comes to re-signing their own UFAs to ridiculously long and expensive contracts. When the owners as a group look at it objectively as a "case study" as opposed to a situation where they are dealing with an individual player, it won't be hard for them to know what must be done.

I don't really get what you are getting at with the Toronto comment. I think the fans and ownership in Toronto fully understand they can't hang onto their entire core. They went all in with the Tavares signing hoping to win a cup this season before Matthews, Marner, and Kapanen require new deals. They have a good trading chip in Nylander, or if he is re-signed Marner or Kapanen can be used to acquire a young talented player that fits under their cap.

Toronto is in an enviable position, and sure their fans might be annoying, but it doesn't change the fact that their management has them well positioned. They are true contenders.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Not sure if you are talking about JUST those players?

But here's the team stats before WD and after WD

Before WD - GF 28, GA 45, 13 games played

After WD - GF 25, GA 30, 11 games played,

So maybe those two players produced more..but the team itself did not.....certainly not defensively which was the main problem, 28 goals in 13 games isn't hot to begin with, but 45 GA in 13 games is absolutely brutal and that more than anything led to where the Kings are now....
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Petersen GREATLY factors in for the lower amount of goals allowed. He's been phenomenal.
 
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KINGS17 said:
This is continually brought up without mentioning many of Tampa Bay's players have limited NTCs which require them to submit a list of teams they are willing to accept a trade to which encompasses half the teams in the NHL.

Perhaps the solution here is to not only eliminate the guaranteed contract or reduce the maximum number of years a player can be signed for, but also to reduce the percentage of cap hit a maximum salary can eat up.

The GMs, and maybe the owners too, can't seem to help themselves when it comes to re-signing their own UFAs to ridiculously long and expensive contracts. When the owners as a group look at it objectively as a "case study" as opposed to a situation where they are dealing with an individual player, it won't be hard for them to know what must be done.

I don't really get what you are getting at with the Toronto comment. I think the fans and ownership in Toronto fully understand they can't hang onto their entire core. They went all in with the Tavares signing hoping to win a cup this season before Matthews, Marner, and Kapanen require new deals. They have a good trading chip in Nylander, or if he is re-signed Marner or Kapanen can be used to acquire a young talented player that fits under their cap.

Toronto is in an enviable position, and sure their fans might be annoying, but it doesn't change the fact that their management has them well positioned. They are true contenders.
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My TO comment--you'll note I pointed out they're obviously well set-up for the future, as much as any team in the league--is only to point out that similar to the Stevie Y hero worship, or the Winnipeg/Nashville idolization, no one has won anything yet, and they're on a dangerous--enviable, yes, but still dangerous--razor's edge of cap space vs. assets with which to hammer out their contender status. Everyone wants to brand these franchises and TB the 'next dynasty' or something thereabouts but every one of those teams has visible flaws and a very limited window unless they're addressed.

I think that's a fair criticism in light of the Damien "Hindsight Hero" Cox article lecturing successful GMs about what they did wrong. We'll see how genius those guys look if they, say, fall short in the ECF for a couple of years, and need to either "let someone walk" or trade them for future assets and take a step backward. It's so easy when it's not your team. They maybe compare favorably with the situation of the 2012 Kings, don't get me wrong, I'm more criticizing the smug attitudes of certainty than I am the actual teams and management.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
Petersen GREATLY factors in for the lower amount of goals allowed. He's been phenomenal.
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Yeah without going into the player situations and stats which GBH will selectively ignore (hint: Carter and Kovalchuk have a net difference of just one goal against since WD), I'll just point out that pre-WD we were at an all situations 88.37 save percentage( 6th last) and league-2nd-lowest .959 PDO. Since, we're at 91.74 (7th overall) and a middle of the pack .997. Let's not mistake better goaltending for better defense, we're still absolutely bleeding opportunities and getting dominated most nights. Had to improve somewhere I guess but it's so far mostly smoke and mirrors.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
My TO comment--you'll note I pointed out they're obviously well set-up for the future, as much as any team in the league--is only to point out that similar to the Stevie Y hero worship, or the Winnipeg/Nashville idolization, no one has won anything yet, and they're on a dangerous--enviable, yes, but still dangerous--razor's edge of cap space vs. assets with which to hammer out their contender status. Everyone wants to brand these franchises and TB the 'next dynasty' or something thereabouts but every one of those teams has visible flaws and a very limited window unless they're addressed.

I think that's a fair criticism in light of the Damien "Hindsight Hero" Cox article lecturing successful GMs about what they did wrong. We'll see how genius those guys look if they, say, fall short in the ECF for a couple of years, and need to either "let someone walk" or trade them for future assets and take a step backward. It's so easy when it's not your team. They maybe compare favorably with the situation of the 2012 Kings, don't get me wrong, I'm more criticizing the smug attitudes of certainty than I am the actual teams and management.
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I don't know about everyone labeling these teams dynasties. A GM can only set the table for the players, the rest is up to the players. The GMs of these two clubs have done a good job of setting the table.
 
Gotta say, as much as I felt good for the Jack Campbell comeback story, I’m glad Cal P is able to show he’s at a different level.

If the Kings can somehow move Quick, then those two are a solid tandem moving forward,
 
KINGS17 said:
Perhaps the solution here is to not only eliminate the guaranteed contract or reduce the maximum number of years a player can be signed for, but also to reduce the percentage of cap hit a maximum salary can eat up.

The GMs, and maybe the owners too, can't seem to help themselves when it comes to re-signing their own UFAs to ridiculously long and expensive contracts. When the owners as a group look at it objectively as a "case study" as opposed to a situation where they are dealing with an individual player, it won't be hard for them to know what must be done.
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Make every player a UFA every July 1st. No holdovers. No early negotiating rights for the current team. Total UFA, total chaos.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I dunno, a little birdie once told me not so long ago that 0 production and bleeding GA was grounds for an accountability benching.
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Ok......and i have apples to your oranges.....

You want to argue Carter should be benched, go ahead, I was responding to the fact he said players were not producing under WD, and like I said, I don't know if he was talking team wise, or specific players wise, I showed the difference for the team...I could give a rats ass who actually scores the goals, it could be Bailey for all I care...
 
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DoktorJeep said:
Gotta say, as much as I felt good for the Jack Campbell comeback story, I’m glad Cal P is able to show he’s at a different level.

If the Kings can somehow move Quick, then those two are a solid tandem moving forward,
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yeah definitely, i think campbell can absolutely be a serviceable NHL backup for a long time, but the "heir apparent" talk about petersen always kinda spooked me

he's definitely stepped up to the plate and held it so far
 
KingsCourt said:
Guys I'm a long time kings fan in Toronto .. So I hear it daily, this team is strong, dynamic . Not sure they have the horses on d this year but window is wide open
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Where are you at? I'm about an hour north of ya,

Agree this Leafs team is the strongest they have been in a while, I don't think the mantra of need more D is even fair...the D they have, is solid, they need their forwards to pitch in, but Reilly, Hainsey, Gardiner, Dermott, Orizapov, and Zaitsev, that's really not a bad group of D, PIT won with less as did WSH
 
tny760 said:
yeah definitely, i think campbell can absolutely be a serviceable NHL backup for a long time, but the "heir apparent" talk about petersen always kinda spooked me

he's definitely stepped up to the plate and held it so far
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The only true way to find out if he can do it...is to let him do it....we got a solid look at him while Quick is out, Quick is back, when Cambell comes back, you go to Petersen and say, go play strong in the AHL, we loved what you did up here, be patient....then you have to make a REALLY REALLY tough decision, move/waive Quick and let Petersen take over, or keep Petersen who is 24 already...down there and good luck when it comes to contract,

I don't think you can have Petersen take over until Quick is gone etc, Quick is only 32, so that is a really really tough decision, because you don't know, Petersen might play great, then turn into Andrew Raycroft....but you don't know until you do know.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Plenty of WTF comments in it, it read like someone here wrote it. An owner would throw a GM to the curb if he let Kane/Toews/Kopitar/Doughty walk or traded them. They would never allow it to get to that. Sorry, but it had to be done.

Reminds me of this - "hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back its still a bit fuzzy"
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Bottom line, was the Kopitar contract a mistake for the Kings or not?

The Kings would be in a much better position today had they done something else.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
The only true way to find out if he can do it...is to let him do it....we got a solid look at him while Quick is out, Quick is back, when Cambell comes back, you go to Petersen and say, go play strong in the AHL, we loved what you did up here, be patient....then you have to make a REALLY REALLY tough decision, move/waive Quick and let Petersen take over, or keep Petersen who is 24 already...down there and good luck when it comes to contract,

I don't think you can have Petersen take over until Quick is gone etc, Quick is only 32, so that is a really really tough decision, because you don't know, Petersen might play great, then turn into Andrew Raycroft....but you don't know until you do know.
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definitely, and i don't think it's quite the time yet to tell cal "the job's yours" and send quick packing. probably the smarter route would be to do exactly what you said to cal, send him down and see if quick's still got it. maybe dangle him for a trade. i'm not sure quick's gonna be able to play out his contract at this rate but there are probably teams willing to take on that salary either for the floor or just because they need a goalie. can't keep quick forever though and petersen certainly isn't getting any younger himself

part of me kinda hurts at the thought of quick not being a lifelong king but that's a lot of nostalgia speaking
 
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