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Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

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Look what goalies normally bring back in trades. Less than you think they should. Even good goalies. Look what 30+ year old goalies with multiple years left on their contracts bring back. Plus I think it's unrealistic to expect the Kings to retain too much until 2023.

Schneider brought back the 9th overall pick on draft day(Jones, Varlamov, they brought back a 1st in the following season, and they were 7 and 9 years younger than Quick is right now when they were traded), but he was 27 at the time of that trade. It was before his $6m cap hit. And NJ hasn't done anything with him as their #1. In hindsight, they would probably be better off with the 1st, especially if they took Horvat with it too.

Trade Quick, trade Brown, trade 'em all. Slow down on the return though. We can't say don't sign guys for past accomplishments, and then use past accomplishments as an argument for a better return in a trade.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
They could but they'd have to retain for 3 seasons. You'd hope sometime before that they'd be semi-contenders again or else why bother keeping Doughty and wasting 3 more years of his career?
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Depends on if salary retention on Brown is needed to get a good return for him in trade. Not sure what a "semi-contender" is, but I don't see the Kings contending for quite some time. If Doughty doesn't like it, he can request a trade.
 
KINGS17 said:
Depends on if salary retention on Brown is needed to get a good return for him in trade. Not sure what a "semi-contender" is, but I don't see the Kings contending for quite some time. If Doughty doesn't like it, he can request a trade.
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Semi-contender as in win the first round and have a good shot at winning the second round.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
That's still not bad. Defensively he's solid. He'll always be one of your teams leading hitters. He'll get a point roughly every other game. Hell, I'd rather have him than Rick Nash who everyone always seemed at the trade deadline.
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The team taking Brown has him for the next 3 seasons, and he's already 34. And he can pick his 8 teams to go to.

GoldenBearHockey said:
Well yes, when evaluating players you ALWAYS take out what they have done in the past....
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The 2012 playoffs are an outlier. He's never been more productive, or played as well, before or since. It wasn't the norm. For him, or the team he was on.

kings11 said:
Add in his physical game setting play and leadership
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Which would be easy to find a taker for, except for those 3 extra seasons on the contract.

There's not one easy trade for Blake to make out there.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
The team taking Brown has him for the next 3 seasons, and he's already 34. And he can pick his 8 teams to go to.



The 2012 playoffs are an outlier. He's never been more productive, or played as well, before or since. It wasn't the norm. For him, or the team he was on.



Which would be easy to find a taker for, except for those 3 extra seasons on the contract.

There's not one easy trade for Blake to make out there.
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Yeah, the 3 years is what makes it difficult. If he had one fewer year or Callahan had one more year then that'd be an easy swap (with Tampa adding a lot more obviously).
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Look what goalies normally bring back in trades. Less than you think they should. Even good goalies. Look what 30+ year old goalies with multiple years left on their contracts bring back. Plus I think it's unrealistic to expect the Kings to retain too much until 2023.

Schneider brought back the 9th overall pick on draft day(Jones, Varlamov, they brought back a 1st in the following season, and they were 7 and 9 years younger than Quick is right now when they were traded), but he was 27 at the time of that trade. It was before his $6m cap hit. And NJ hasn't done anything with him as their #1. In hindsight, they would probably be better off with the 1st, especially if they took Horvat with it too.

Trade Quick, trade Brown, trade 'em all. Slow down on the return though. We can't say don't sign guys for past accomplishments, and then use past accomplishments as an argument for a better return in a trade.
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Jones, Varlamov, etc, had not won 2 Cups, the Vezina, or Jennings Trophys. GMs will overpay for that and if the Kings were still a playoff team, would perhaps not entertain
trading him...but if a few teams want to overpay and make the Kings a better team, you absolutely do it. When DL thought a trade deadline deal could give his team a better shot at a Cup, he traded for Carter...then Gaborik...then Sekera.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
Jones, Varlamov, etc, had not won 2 Cups, the Vezina, or Jennings Trophys. GMs will overpay for that and if the Kings were still a playoff team, would perhaps not entertain
trading him...but if a few teams want to overpay and make the Kings a better team, you absolutely do it. When DL thought a trade deadline deal could give his team a better shot at a Cup, he traded for Carter...then Gaborik...then Sekera.
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But Jones, Varlamov, and Schneider were young goalies whose careers were trending up with no injury history. Quick's career is trending down and he's had major injury problems the last few years. Quick's cap hit is reasonable but he has four (!!!) more years after this one on his contract.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
But Jones, Varlamov, and Schneider were young goalies whose careers were trending up with no injury history. Quick's career is trending down and he's had major injury problems the last few years. Quick's cap hit is reasonable but he has four (!!!) more years after this one on his contract.
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Every GM that wants a Cup and does not have a capable goalie to take them there and that could be the missing piece...will want Quick. Period.
Was a fact that by the second week of the season, GMs were calling Blake about Quick...and Quick was mediocre to bad.
 
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WHOneedsSOX said:
But Jones, Varlamov, and Schneider were young goalies whose careers were trending up with no injury history. Quick's career is trending down and he's had major injury problems the last few years. Quick's cap hit is reasonable but he has four (!!!) more years after this one on his contract.
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Quick was outstanding when it mattered in the playoffs. Teams would be foolish to overlook that just because he hasnt been healthy in the regular season. I'm willing to bet if any contender this year has a goalie go down quick would be near or at the top of the list.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I'm just saying people are so critical of the Kings because we know them and they're right here, but are ignoring some major storm clouds looming for TO.

They already have one 11 million dollar player and haven't won a playoff round. What is Auston Matthews going to cost starting next year?

TO RFAS: Matthews, Kapenen, NYlander (right now), Leivo, Johnsson, Ozhiganov. Hainsey, Gardiner, Marincin, Ennis UFAs. Par LIndholm UFA. Some of those are easy holes to plug, sure, and cheap, but they're about to get a middle class more expensive than Toffoli and pearson, and an upper class every bit as expensive as Kopitar and Doughty, minus the proven results. They certainly have some good contracts--like Reilly--but they're firmly in "window is open" mode effective immediately yet not a lot of wiggle room for any necessary additions.

I'm not trying to overfocus on TO except that I'm laughing at Damien Cox, you can run this drill for almost any 'contender,' just trying to point out that people want to crap on the current status of Chicago/Pittsburgh/LA while pretending be-a-GM mode is easy.
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You’re preaching to the choir here, brother. I’m with you.

I said over the summer Toronto’s big four would be making close to $40 million combined by 2019:

Tavares: $11
Matthews: $11
Marner: $8
Nylander: $7

And that’s a somewhat conservative estimate on Matthews and Marner. Matthews can easily command upwards to $12.

The market has been set on these second contracts for high end players. Mcdavid, Eichel, and especially Drasaitl set that market a while ago.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
The team taking Brown has him for the next 3 seasons, and he's already 34. And he can pick his 8 teams to go to.



The 2012 playoffs are an outlier. He's never been more productive, or played as well, before or since. It wasn't the norm. For him, or the team he was on.



Which would be easy to find a taker for, except for those 3 extra seasons on the contract.

There's not one easy trade for Blake to make out there.
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There are easy trades to make, the question is what are we willing to settle on in return.. we could possibly get 3 more 1st for this draft and we have a wild card in Cal Petersen who in my eyes is much better all around than Martin Jones, so possible even more assets
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
You’re preaching to the choir here, brother. I’m with you.

I said over the summer Toronto’s big four would be making close to $40 million combined by 2019:

Tavares: $11
Matthews: $11
Marner: $8
Nylander: $7

And that’s a somewhat conservative estimate on Matthews and Marner. Matthews can easily command upwards to $12.

The market has been set on these second contracts for high end players. Mcdavid, Eichel, and especially Drasaitl set that market a while ago.
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Agreed, their biggest....asset I guess you would call it...is that they have some very good D on some very good contracts, Dermott Orzipov is a RFA he won't command 4-5 million etc, their biggest problem on D is going to be to retain Gardiner, he's at 5.1 million already I believe....

That Marleau contract is gonna bite them....needed it to end this year not next
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Agreed, their biggest....asset I guess you would call it...is that they have some very good D on some very good contracts, Dermott Orzipov is a RFA he won't command 4-5 million etc, their biggest problem on D is going to be to retain Gardiner, he's at 5.1 million already I believe....

That Marleau contract is gonna bite them....needed it to end this year not next
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If they could trade Marleau, they could sign them all....Marleau has 1 more year at 6.25 mil cap hit.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Agreed, their biggest....asset I guess you would call it...is that they have some very good D on some very good contracts, Dermott Orzipov is a RFA he won't command 4-5 million etc, their biggest problem on D is going to be to retain Gardiner, he's at 5.1 million already I believe....

That Marleau contract is gonna bite them....needed it to end this year not next
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They have the assets to take care of their D for sure. I think the problem is gonna be refilling what's there. I mean you have Reilly on a great contract, but he'll need a partner as Hainsey is done. Gardiner is UFA and sure to command an upgrade. Dermott is awesome and rounds out their top four...but that's problematic. Reilly needs to continue showing he can be a great #1, then they have major holes behind him down to Dermott, Ozhiganov will likely be bridged and that's good, Zaitsev's deal hurts right now. It's a bigger mess than they'll let on because scoring overshadows the concerns but that doesnt work at playoff time. Sure the pens did it but with their goalie going nuclear. I guess I have less faith in Andersen, dunno.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
They have the assets to take care of their D for sure. I think the problem is gonna be refilling what's there. I mean you have Reilly on a great contract, but he'll need a partner as Hainsey is done. Gardiner is UFA and sure to command an upgrade. Dermott is awesome and rounds out their top four...but that's problematic. Reilly needs to continue showing he can be a great #1, then they have major holes behind him down to Dermott, Ozhiganov will likely be bridged and that's good, Zaitsev's deal hurts right now. It's a bigger mess than they'll let on because scoring overshadows the concerns but that doesnt work at playoff time. Sure the pens did it but with their goalie going nuclear. I guess I have less faith in Andersen, dunno.
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Maybe, Andersen has been an absolute horse for them, zero issues with him.

Reilly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Dermott, Ozhiganov, and Lillengren with Lillengren possibly teaming with Reilly,

Again, WSH and PIT have won with worse D.....
 
Peter James Bond II said:
Jones, Varlamov, etc, had not won 2 Cups, the Vezina, or Jennings Trophys. GMs will overpay for that and if the Kings were still a playoff team, would perhaps not entertain trading him...but if a few teams want to overpay and make the Kings a better team, you absolutely do it. When DL thought a trade deadline deal could give his team a better shot at a Cup, he traded for Carter...then Gaborik...then Sekera.
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I'm just saying don't expect there to be some great deal out there for Quick. If there is, of course you trade him. You trade him 2011 if someone was going to overpay for him. Goalies tend not to go for great returns though. Especially older ones, with locked in contracts.

Carter, Gaborik, Sekera, they're not goalies. Only one goalie can play at a time. If he's not out there, he's on the bench. Carter, Gaborik, Sekera, you can move them around, switch positions, fluctuate ice time. Can't do that with goalies in a game.
 
Leafs aren't in trouble at all, they are just a 1 yr UFA Marleau dump away from locking everybody nicely

Marleau is an easy trade to make to a team that wants to reach the cap, slip the team a 2nd rd pick IF anything (although i find he does have value and wouldn't be that difficult to move)
 
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