Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

[ibleedkings]

Gabe Vilardi makes his AHL debut in 2 hours. I'll try and find a stream of the game somewhere.

Was just gonna ask how I can watch.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Why?

I would say they have a pretty good shot not only this year but for the next few years.

It’s just a meme. They’re clearly a major contender.

But they also have some holes on D. We’ll see. And they’re under so much media and fan pressure. Some pretty great Toronto teams have buckled under that pressure right at the finish line.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[KingsRule]

I'm trying to look up nylanders stats from this season.. am I missing something? is he holding out and not playing?

 

[Piston]

I think we risk undervaluing our own assets. Being a GM is all about asset management, and you can't sell low. Let's be objective here. Two time Stanley Cup Goalies don't grow on trees. Quick has 4 1/2 years left on a manageable cap hit, and the last three years, his actual salary drops to where he's not very expensive and could conceivably retire if he's out of gas. Brown has lifted a Cup twice as a Captain. plenty of teams could use that leadership in the locker room to get over the hump. I'd rather not lose him given that he's one of the only guys giving it his all right now, but he would bring assets back. Carter can still produce in the right situation, and his salary falls to $2 mm after next season given it is also front loaded. Muzzin and Martinez can still play at a high level and have multiple Cups between them with palatable contracts. Lewis provides defense, penalty killing and all the little things he is known for. Kovalchuk will be more difficult to move unless some team suffers an injury and won't bring back much. We are probably stuck with Phaneuf. If Blake decides to tear this thing down, he can bring in a huge haul to start over again and still have Doughty.

 

[Reaper45]

I'm trying to look up nylanders stats from this season.. am I missing something? is he holding out and not playing?

Yes hes not playing. He has no contract.

 

[Reaper45]

I think we risk undervaluing our own assets. Being a GM is all about asset management, and you can't sell low. Let's be objective here. Two time Stanley Cup Goalies don't grow on trees. Quick has 4 1/2 years left on a manageable cap hit, and the last three years, his actual salary drops to where he's not very expensive and could conceivably retire if he's out of gas. Brown has lifted a Cup twice as a Captain. plenty of teams could use that leadership in the locker room to get over the hump. I'd rather not lose him given that he's one of the only guys giving it his all right now, but he would bring assets back. Carter can still produce in the right situation, and his salary falls to $2 mm after next season given it is also front loaded. Muzzin and Martinez can still play at a high level and have multiple Cups between them with palatable contracts. Lewis provides defense, penalty killing and all the little things he is known for. Kovalchuk will be more difficult to move unless some team suffers an injury and won't bring back much. We are probably stuck with Phaneuf. If Blake decides to tear this thing down, he can bring in a huge haul to start over again and still have Doughty.

Honestly I'd keep Quick, Brown and Doughty. Explore ALL other trade options, including Kopitar.

 

[KingsFan7824]

How does this stop the overspending in salary and length of contract by the GMs?

If everyone is a UFA every July, it's all 1 year deals.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I think we risk undervaluing our own assets. Being a GM is all about asset management, and you can't sell low. Let's be objective here. Two time Stanley Cup Goalies don't grow on trees. Quick has 4 1/2 years left on a manageable cap hit, and the last three years, his actual salary drops to where he's not very expensive and could conceivably retire if he's out of gas. Brown has lifted a Cup twice as a Captain. plenty of teams could use that leadership in the locker room to get over the hump. I'd rather not lose him given that he's one of the only guys giving it his all right now, but he would bring assets back. Carter can still produce in the right situation, and his salary falls to $2 mm after next season given it is also front loaded. Muzzin and Martinez can still play at a high level and have multiple Cups between them with palatable contracts. Lewis provides defense, penalty killing and all the little things he is known for. Kovalchuk will be more difficult to move unless some team suffers an injury and won't bring back much. We are probably stuck with Phaneuf. If Blake decides to tear this thing down, he can bring in a huge haul to start over again and still have Doughty.

I don't think that's true at all. I think it's just more noticeable with him and Clifford because they hit people. I honestly believe pretty much every single player is giving their all (most of the time). I think Brown probably has one of the highest values on the team because his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs. His contract might finally be not so ugly anymore. Carter's value is going down by the game. Quick's value is going down by the injury. Kopitar is probably impossible to trade because of his contract. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Brown probably have the highest values in a trade.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Honestly I'd keep Quick, Brown and Doughty. Explore ALL other trade options, including Kopitar.

Agree, but the only problem with keeping Quick at one point you have to decide Peterson or Quick....I don't know when that is....but it's coming sooner than we think.

 

[Reaper45]

Agree, but the only problem with keeping Quick at one point you have to decide Peterson or Quick....I don't know when that is....but it's coming sooner than we think.

I get that but I think Quick is going to end up on LTIR for good sooner than later. He can play on with Peterson in the meantime.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It’s just a meme. They’re clearly a major contender.

But they also have some holes on D. We’ll see. And they’re under so much media and fan pressure. Some pretty great Toronto teams have buckled under that pressure right at the finish line.

I'm just saying people are so critical of the Kings because we know them and they're right here, but are ignoring some major storm clouds looming for TO.

They already have one 11 million dollar player and haven't won a playoff round. What is Auston Matthews going to cost starting next year?

TO RFAS: Matthews, Kapenen, NYlander (right now), Leivo, Johnsson, Ozhiganov. Hainsey, Gardiner, Marincin, Ennis UFAs. Par LIndholm UFA. Some of those are easy holes to plug, sure, and cheap, but they're about to get a middle class more expensive than Toffoli and pearson, and an upper class every bit as expensive as Kopitar and Doughty, minus the proven results. They certainly have some good contracts--like Reilly--but they're firmly in "window is open" mode effective immediately yet not a lot of wiggle room for any necessary additions.

I'm not trying to overfocus on TO except that I'm laughing at Damien Cox, you can run this drill for almost any 'contender,' just trying to point out that people want to crap on the current status of Chicago/Pittsburgh/LA while pretending be-a-GM mode is easy.

 

[KINGS17]

If everyone is a UFA every July, it's all 1 year deals.

Well, we know that is never going to happen so...

 

[KINGS17]

I don't think that's true at all. I think it's just more noticeable with him and Clifford because they hit people. I honestly believe pretty much every single player is giving their all (most of the time). I think Brown probably has one of the highest values on the team because his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs. His contract might finally be not so ugly anymore. Carter's value is going down by the game. Quick's value is going down by the injury. Kopitar is probably impossible to trade because of his contract. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Brown probably have the highest values in a trade.

The Kings can afford to retain some of Brown's salary as well. The future is no longer now for the Kings.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[YP44]

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I have wood

 

[KingsFan7824]

I think Brown probably has one of the highest values on the team because his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs.

Take out his amazing 2012 playoffs, and he's got 11 goals, and 27 points in 65 playoff games.

 

[Piston]

I don't think that's true at all. I think it's just more noticeable with him and Clifford because they hit people. I honestly believe pretty much every single player is giving their all (most of the time). I think Brown probably has one of the highest values on the team because his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs. His contract might finally be not so ugly anymore. Carter's value is going down by the game. Quick's value is going down by the injury. Kopitar is probably impossible to trade because of his contract. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Brown probably have the highest values in a trade.

I disagree with you on Quick. He is still only 32 and has another Cup run left in him. Like I said, guys like him who have led two teams to Championships don't grow on trees. His contract is palatable, and his competitiveness is unquestioned. If you have visions of making a run this season and next (there are plenty of teams in that category) and you need a true #1 goaltender, you'll gladly surrender some assets. There is no one remotely comparable in terms of body of work who might be available.

 

[deaderhead28]

John Hoven yesterday

 

[Butch 19]

I get that but I think Quick is going to end up on LTIR for good sooner than later. He can play on with Peterson in the meantime.

if Quick can get and stay healthy, he shouldn't start more than 55 or 60 games. Maybe less than that even.

 

[Sol]

Where's the STREAM?

are you guys actually holding out hope for Nylander...

Quick should be backing up Petersen smh..starting him would be a mistake.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Take out his amazing 2012 playoffs, and he's got 11 goals, and 27 points in 65 playoff games.

If a GM offers an offer for anyone that makes the Kings a better team and younger, you do it at this point. Let a GM overpay for Quick, Brown, Carter, Muzzin, etc.
I hope Quick plays well and the Flyers, Carolina or Pittsburgh makes an offer the Kings can't refuse and yes, the Kings can retain some or take a roster player back for cap reasons,
as long as the Kings get a good return. Blake is not going to trade a player that is SOUGHT AFTER for a poor return. Pearson got a poor return...no one wanted to
offer much and the Pens wanted equal salary for this yr and Hagelin matched. The key to winning a deal is having other teams interested and more than one offer.
Petersen can play, period and at a high level now. It's not like you're kicking Quick to the curb, if teams are making offers to make your team better. In a perfect world,
Quick plays to the end of his contract here and wins a third Cup. That's not reality. Reality is the Kings are DEAD LAST in goals, any offense stat, PP abysmal and
31st place. If you reject a good offer for Quick (or carter, muzzin, toffoli) that improves your team, you are hurting the team.

EMOTIONS and SERVITUDE and PAST SUCCESS and LOYALTY to key players was Dean's downfall and one major reason the Kings are dead last. Reality and dedication to making your team better in any way you can is the path. If Gretzky can be traded in his prime, anyone can.

 

[deaderhead28]

Where's the STREAM?

are you guys actually holding out hope for Nylander...

Quick should be backing up Petersen smh..starting him would be a mistake.

Nah,that Nylander trade wasnt happening,it wouldve cost assets the Kings couldn't afford right now.I just posted that cause many are wanting Blake to blow the team up and sell off the vets and do a rebuild.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Nah,that Nylander wasnt happening,it wouldve xost assets the Kings couldn't afford right now.I just posted that cause many are wanting Blake to blow the team up and sell off the vets.

Apparently they wanted Clague in the deal and Kings did not want to trade him...if true, Clague must be deemed as pretty important and a near future top 4 D here. Maybe Muzzin or Martinez
are ,moved at deadline or Summer and a spot opens for him next year.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

The Kings can afford to retain some of Brown's salary as well. The future is no longer now for the Kings.

They could but they'd have to retain for 3 seasons. You'd hope sometime before that they'd be semi-contenders again or else why bother keeping Doughty and wasting 3 more years of his career?

Take out his amazing 2012 playoffs, and he's got 11 goals, and 27 points in 65 playoff games.

That's still not bad. Defensively he's solid. He'll always be one of your teams leading hitters. He'll get a point roughly every other game. Hell, I'd rather have him than Rick Nash who everyone always seemed at the trade deadline.

Yay, Kovalchuk moved his way onto the first PP unit and 3rd line!