Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

[Fat Elvis]

I know there has been a lot of discussion about Kovalchuk, but the choice by WD to play Nate Thompson on the PP almost defies description. It is the most baffling thing I have ever seen an NHL coach choose to do when it's by choice, not by necessity. Nate "where offense goes to die" Thompson, who has played 643 career NHL games and has NEVER scored a PP goal in his career, is playing on the Kings 2nd PP unit. I just can't understand the thought process.

A hazarded guess is that they're trying their best to inflate his trade value. You can paint a pig all you want, but in the end, it's still a pig.

 

[KingsFan7824]

There aren't 16 contending teams in the NHL. Hey I dunno, maybe they would all rather be in Carolina or Ottawa than LA. Sixteen teams is half the league, and once the NTC is waived who is to say Blake won't flip the guy to a contending team. Blake is going to have to get creative. It's what he is being paid to do.

There are 16 teams better than the Kings though.

I'm saying those players with NTC's will possibly make it as difficult as possible to trade them. They might pick teams with a budget, or teams that are capped out, or teams just unlikely to trade for them for whatever reason. Maybe they would pick the Kings, but I'm guessing none of them want to leave TB. That's why they got those NTC's from YzerGod. They want to stay on the certain contender, not leave their fate up to someone that sees them as an expendable asset for a greater good.

 

[Reaper45]

I know there has been a lot of discussion about Kovalchuk, but the choice by WD to play Nate Thompson on the PP almost defies description. It is the most baffling thing I have ever seen an NHL coach choose to do when it's by choice, not by necessity. Nate "where offense goes to die" Thompson, who has played 643 career NHL games and has NEVER scored a PP goal in his career, is playing on the Kings 2nd PP unit. I just can't understand the thought process.

Because he's a gud pro. Guys like Carter and company gets stapled to the Kings 1st PP unit because they're doing good things in other parts of the game even if they only have 1 assist in 8 games.

The fact that the Kings PP hasnt scored a single goal on the road is mind blowing. Yet let's keep the personnel the same.

 

[KINGS17]

There are 16 teams better than the Kings though.

I'm saying those players with NTC's will possibly make it as difficult as possible to trade them. They might pick teams with a budget, or teams that are capped out, or teams just unlikely to trade for them for whatever reason. Maybe they would pick the Kings, but I'm guessing none of them want to leave TB. That's why they got those NTC's from YzerGod. They want to stay on the certain contender, not leave their fate up to someone that sees them as an expendable asset for a greater good.

Well, there are 30 teams better than the Kings right now. Do you think players would enjoy playing in the black hole in Calgary or Edmonton over LA? What makes you think a player's sole criteria for putting them on their list is a team's position in the standings?

You're missing the whole point of some of these limited NTC contracts where a player must provide a list of 16 teams to which they are willing to accept a trade. If Yzerman makes a deal with one of the teams on the player's list, he has no choice, he goes.

 

[KINGS17]

Boston may be another destination for one of our forwards.

NHL trade rumors: Bruins looking for help "up front," GM Don Sweeney confirms

 

[Johnny Utah]

They were speculating on NHL radio that the benching of Kovy is coming from above and that management is doing this so Kovy will ask for a trade.

 

[KINGS17]

They were speculating on NHL radio that the benching of Kovy is coming from above and that management is doing this so Kovy will ask for a trade.

...and people were worried about UFAs being willing to sign here after Dean traded Visnovsky? LOL

 

[Sol]

They were speculating on NHL radio that the benching of Kovy is coming from above and that management is doing this so Kovy will ask for a trade.

If this is true, I wish a plague upon all their houses.

 

[BigKing]

They were speculating on NHL radio that the benching of Kovy is coming from above and that management is doing this so Kovy will ask for a trade.

Pretty hilarious if that were the case. Not quite border patrolling Richards but still pretty devious and a total admission that the signing was a disaster.

We all know that he didn't choose LA because it was the best chance at winning a Cup but rather because Blake went three years and nobody else would. What also helped is living in LA v. Boston or wherever. If he got the money he wanted and his family got the location it wanted, why would he waive?

Playing 10 minutes a night can keep him fresh to continue his career back in the KHL when he is 39 and ear even more.

Smart dude. Talking Kovalchuk, not Blake.

 

[sinister6000]

Is it time to trade Jonathan Quick?

 

[riznat]

Should the Kings trade Jonathan Quick before he gets to old?

Yes, but don’t know that we actually could.

 

[sinister6000]

If your trying to trade players like Kolvachuk, you need to play them a lot so you can show case them.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Well, there are 30 teams better than the Kings right now. Do you think players would enjoy playing in the black hole in Calgary or Edmonton over LA? What makes you think a player's sole criteria for putting them on their list is a team's position in the standings?

For guys on a clear contender who don't have a Cup? I'm going to guess position in the standings is a key factor for them. If we're talking players with NTC's in black holes like Calgary and Edmonton, that's different. Then they might go to a worse team, as long as the weather is good.

You're missing the whole point of some of these limited NTC contracts where a player must provide a list of 16 teams to which they are willing to accept a trade. If Yzerman makes a deal with one of the teams on the player's list, he has no choice, he goes.

Yes, and if those players pick the right teams to put on the list, the GM might not be able to make a trade work, and so they stay in TB, which I'm sure all the guys with NTC's in TB want to do.

Pretty hilarious if that were the case. Not quite border patrolling Richards but still pretty devious and a total admission that the signing was a disaster.

We all know that he didn't choose LA because it was the best chance at winning a Cup but rather because Blake went three years and nobody else would. What also helped is living in LA v. Boston or wherever. If he got the money he wanted and his family got the location it wanted, why would he waive?

Playing 10 minutes a night can keep him fresh to continue his career back in the KHL when he is 39 and ear even more.

Smart dude. Talking Kovalchuk, not Blake.

And if Kovalchuk was/is just a mercenary, nobody will care how the Kings treat him.

 

[BigKing]

For guys on a clear contender who don't have a Cup? I'm going to guess position in the standings is a key factor for them. If we're talking players with NTC's in black holes like Calgary and Edmonton, that's different. Then they might go to a worse team, as long as the weather is good.



Yes, and if those players pick the right teams to put on the list, the GM might not be able to make a trade work, and so they stay in TB, which I'm sure all the guys with NTC's in TB want to do.



And if Kovalchuk was/is just a mercenary, nobody will care how the Kings treat him.

I don't really care that much, to be honest. Last place with him, last place without him. I have no ill-will towards the guy, but I'd love to get out from under that contract with little-to-no repercussions.

 

[deeshamrock]

I don't really care that much, to be honest. Last place with him, last place without him. I have no ill-will towards the guy, but I'd love to get out from under that contract with little-to-no repercussions.

Which might not be easy, NHL Network just pointed out Kovy has a No move clause, he'd have to approve the team.

Which means the Kings might have to 'settle' instead of getting better value perhaps from a team he won't approve

 

[BigKing]

Which might not be easy, NHL Network just pointed out Kovy has a No move clause, he'd have to approve the team.

Which means the Kings might have to 'settle' instead of getting better value perhaps from a team he won't approve

Totally understand. That's why I hope they can just get out of it like it never happened. Not expecting that to happen, however.

 

[KINGS17]

For guys on a clear contender who don't have a Cup? I'm going to guess position in the standings is a key factor for them. If we're talking players with NTC's in black holes like Calgary and Edmonton, that's different. Then they might go to a worse team, as long as the weather is good.



Yes, and if those players pick the right teams to put on the list, the GM might not be able to make a trade work, and so they stay in TB, which I'm sure all the guys with NTC's in TB want to do.



And if Kovalchuk was/is just a mercenary, nobody will care how the Kings treat him.

Again you missed the point. Why would a player who is getting moved out of Tampa with 16 teams on his list, put Calgary or Edmonton on their list? I can think of plenty of reasons why a player would have LA on their list.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Is it time to trade Jonathan Quick?

No. He has to show he can play at last years level...and when GMs start calling, that's when you get the best offer. It's been said "if you have one offer...you have NO offers"
Meaning, you must get 2 or more offers, to get a real offer. "but his contract is too long, his cap hit is to high" BS.
It's said that SEVERAL teams were calling about Quick in the first few weeks this season, when the Kings were sukking...and Quick was not even playing good.
For decades, a Cup was not possible here....guys like Hrudey, Fleix Potvin (that good year he had) could not get the Kings to win a Cup. Quick changed that and is
the main reason the Kings won 2 cups....but nothing lasts forever and there are no more Cups to be had here in the next phase...so if the Kings can get a great deal
for ANYONE, you do it. There is no replacement for Doughty...there is no replacement (yet) for Kopitar...but for Quick? There is a replacement. Cal Petersen.
The Kings lack offense and another top 4 defenseman. So, you trade Quick and others to get picks and prospects that can be a top 6 F or top 4 D.

There are many GMs that know Jonathan Quick can be what they need, to win a Cup and will pay for it...if the Kings have to take back one of their goalies, do it, (preferably on last yr of deal or 1 more yr)
as long as you get compensated for that in a pick or prospect to sweeten it. If the Kings have to retain some, do it, if they get back something. The Kings traded
assets for Carter in 2012 and for Gaborik in 2014...because DL knew the Kings needed that extra piece...this February the Kings are on the other side and
let a team give assets for Quick...or Carter...or Muzzin..or Brown,..or Kovy if he's still here and wants out. You deal from strength and assets and the best assets the
Kings have is Quick, the others mentioned and the #1 pick and they're not trading that, or Kupari, Vilardi, JAD or Clague.

 

[KINGS17]

And if Kovalchuk was/is just a mercenary, nobody will care how the Kings treat him.

That's the whole point no one will care. No one cared when Dean shipped out Visnovsky either. Did it stop Scuderi or Mitchell from signing with the Kings?

Yet many people acted like the way Dean treated Visnovsky would matter.

 

[Bandit]

Which might not be easy, NHL Network just pointed out Kovy has a No move clause, he'd have to approve the team.

Which means the Kings might have to 'settle' instead of getting better value perhaps from a team he won't approve

If the Kings are going to trade Kovalchuck, the only value they need is not retaining on his salary. Kovi to team X at 0% retained for a voucher for a Baskin Robbins single scoop would be just fine. They could send it to John Stevens as a parting gift.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Is it time to trade Jonathan Quick?

No. How many games as Cal started? Quick should remain until we're certain he's going to handle the load competently. Doing great so far and it's encouraging, but you don't dump quick for a potential Ersberg.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Carter has 4 G hasn't scored in 11 games and is -8.
Toffoli 5 G 1 G in 10 games, -5

Brutal. Abysmal. And that's with 15+ minutes and PP time. Funny thing is, they produced better with Stevens as coach and Kovalchuk playing
with them.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Carter has 4 G hasn't scored in 11 games and is -8.
Toffoli 5 G 1 G in 10 games, -5

Brutal. Abysmal. And that's with 15+ minutes and PP time. Funny thing is, they produced better with Stevens as coach and Kovalchuk playing
with them.

But Kovalchuk.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Carter has 4 G hasn't scored in 11 games and is -8.
Toffoli 5 G 1 G in 10 games, -5

Brutal. Abysmal. And that's with 15+ minutes and PP time. Funny thing is, they produced better with Stevens as coach and Kovalchuk playing
with them.

Not sure if you are talking about JUST those players?

But here's the team stats before WD and after WD

Before WD - GF 28, GA 45, 13 games played

After WD - GF 25, GA 30, 11 games played,

So maybe those two players produced more..but the team itself did not.....certainly not defensively which was the main problem, 28 goals in 13 games isn't hot to begin with, but 45 GA in 13 games is absolutely brutal and that more than anything led to where the Kings are now....

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not sure if you are talking about JUST those players?

But here's the team stats before WD and after WD

Before WD - GF 28, GA 45, 13 games played

After WD - GF 25, GA 30, 11 games played,

So maybe those two players produced more..but the team itself did not.....certainly not defensively which was the main problem, 28 goals in 13 games isn't hot to begin with, but 45 GA in 13 games is absolutely brutal and that more than anything led to where the Kings are now....

I dunno, a little birdie once told me not so long ago that 0 production and bleeding GA was grounds for an accountability benching.