Doughty is #1, Muzzin is #2, Martinez is #3. It’s all downhill from there. Forbort used to be a #4.
Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show
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lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Forbort was Forbort two years ago and last year. You just didn't have any expectation that he'd be any good two years ago.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Muzzin is a very good defenseman that 30 other teams would be happy to have. #2 D is not a gaping hole for the Kings. If Brent Seabrook is your #2, then you have problems.
Peter James Bond II
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KINGS 59 GOALS
RANTANEN 46 POINTS.
He's closing in to catch the Kings.
Most points on the Kings, Kopitar: 18
If Tampa Bay scores 4 more goals than the Kings tomorrow, they
will have twice as many goals as the Kings.
RANTANEN 46 POINTS.
He's closing in to catch the Kings.
Most points on the Kings, Kopitar: 18
If Tampa Bay scores 4 more goals than the Kings tomorrow, they
will have twice as many goals as the Kings.
And the Kings will still have one more cup than they do...not sure what the point is other than pointing out facts that dont matter?
Herby
How could Blake have known?
So he brings up facts from this season and your reply is to bring up history?
The Kings are having a horrifically awful season, his facts back it up. But I guess the reply is going to be to close our eyes, cover our ears and scream "STANLEY CUPS"... I'm atleast used to it, my Red Wing buddies been doing it for a decade now.
Muzzin is a #2 defenseman in that he is a top 62 d-man in the NHL, but it's really a stretch to say every other team would want him as their #2. He is a 3 on most contending teams and he is not getting any younger.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
The point is that the Kings suck at scoring.
Maybe we just drop the number of Cups argument. It's old. Nobody is pointing out how many more Cups the Habs have than the Kings have.
Your right, we should drop the cups argument, because everything in this world is done in a f***ing vaccuum....
Seriously people?? It's pretty old hearing that the Kings suck this year etc because teams like Tampa and Winnipeg, and Nashville, and whoever the flavor of the month is score more, well f*** of course they score more, the Kings are in the middle of the cycle that happens when you actually f***ing when a thing or two, and you don't get to be just happy about making the damn playoffs....
It's like me going, OMG look, the sky is f***ing blue today boys....every morning....like it's something new....
Seriously people?? It's pretty old hearing that the Kings suck this year etc because teams like Tampa and Winnipeg, and Nashville, and whoever the flavor of the month is score more, well f*** of course they score more, the Kings are in the middle of the cycle that happens when you actually f***ing when a thing or two, and you don't get to be just happy about making the damn playoffs....
It's like me going, OMG look, the sky is f***ing blue today boys....every morning....like it's something new....
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Well, I didn't say that EVERY other team would want him as their #2. I just said that every other team would be happy to have him. He's definitely not a borderline #4.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
I'll just ignore the second paragraph there because I have no idea what that means. Sometimes I wonder if you read your own posts.
If he read his own posts, he'd surely see his grammatical errors... so I'm assuming he doesn't...
Pretty easy to figure out if you follow the actual thread,
He's bringing up Tampa, Colorado, other people have brought up Nashville, Winnipeg, Toronto as all teams that are better because they score more.....which, yea, I will give that to them, sure, but they are also teams that haven't won shit....it's like everyone forgot or forgets there is a cycle to sports, you suck, you get better, if you get better by a lot, and a bit of luck, you win..then you suck again...and it starts over....
KINGS17
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The narrative is changing folks. The new narrative now is, "Well of course all you NHL neophytes should have expected the Kings to suck. That's what happens when a team wins two cups."
How you square the new narrative with hanging on to the players on the current roster is anyone's guess.
How you square the new narrative with hanging on to the players on the current roster is anyone's guess.
Ziggy Stardust
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I wonder if there are Flyers fans out there who still point to their two Stanley Cup wins in the 70s as reasons why fans shouldn’t be upset about the current state of their organization.
You guys should really consider ignoring that “person.” Nothing productive comes from trying to have a sensible discussion when that “person” is involved.
You guys should really consider ignoring that “person.” Nothing productive comes from trying to have a sensible discussion when that “person” is involved.
it's time to see what the hell we could get for forbort. I want to see Brickley with this team so that Blake knows what hes got. Will then dictate other defensive needs and moves.
Holy hell, no, the narrative isn't changing, but when you try and compare Tampa and Colorado to LA...and say...but they are younger and score more....well f***ing duh man, they also haven't won shit....and then everyone says...but that's old news etc....its f***ing mind numbing....
Don't need to move Forbort for that to happen, in fact, that makes no sense.....you can't move Forbort UNTIL you know that Brickley or Clague etc can take his spot....I agree though, you have to know this season what you have in Brickley as he's a RFA this year.
MollerManor
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I've decided to stop making fun of "that guy" and start making fun of people naive enough to respond to him.
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Offense ineptitude doesn't matter? Being satisfied with a team that has to get a shutout to win? Because 2 Cups were won 4+ years ago, makes it ok to be the worst NHL team today?
It matters to most fans that the King players dial it in and give a piss poor effort game after game and are terrible by any standard of measure.
Never said it doesn't matter, obviously it does, but pointing out the obvious, without context what good does it do? COL can outscore LA because they have had numerous top ten picks throughout the years, and haven't won a damn thing...so let me ask you this, would you rather have a team who can score but hasn't won shit...or team that has actually won something, and are having issues either maintaining that, or getting back to that?
What makes this season more frustrating than a decade ago is the fact that this season they have a true #1 dman, a true #1 goalie, and a true #1 center and still are dead last in every important category except goaltending and attendance. Now if they give up 2 goals, it's game over. Being a fan since 87' and a ticket holder from 97-2007, this is a tough product to root for.
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Agreed which is why it's not as simple as some posters want to make it out to be, the problem though isn't the #1 C, #1D, #1 G it's the #2 C, the #2LW, RW, # 3 C #2-6 D etc
Sol
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Or maybe it’s the Doughty effect???
Muzzin was a 1A Dman when paired with DD, hell everyone has looked good next to him but at his best Forbort is was shutdown guy that plays best next to another defensive Dman.. remember that Forbort-Gravel tandem during the Monarchs AHL championship run.. put him next to a Pesce and we’d have something real nice
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think we all knew the dark ages would be here soonish, I just thought they'd start being basement bad like last year back in 2014, with all those contracts like Gaborik and Richards. Never would I have thought Kopitar and Doughty would have renaissance seasons in 2017-2018 giving hope only to have it all wet fart to the bottom of the standings in 2018-2019. Very strange trajectory for the team as a whole considering they hung around the bubble or so for years after.
My biggest beef is your last sentence, I think we all have been fans for decades because even the bad Kings teams had heart. This team is utterly gutless. Even last year the "we get scored on first" thing was in full effect and super frustrating, but they showed guts all year long battling back...this year, if we go down, it's over, team folds and lets in 3-4 more. No hitting, no emotion. Get those guys the f*** out of here and get me some hungry kids that will hit and make the other team think instead of trying to out-skill and out-skate more skilled skaters. You slow down Chychruns by stapling them to the boards and making them think about their plays and the punishment theyr'e going to take, not by doing flyby stick checks.
Little bit of both but as an example TJ Brodie is an excellent #2 as well, but more so when he plays with Giordano. --some of these guys are great complements to an elite #1 d-man, in fact, we haven't had anyone amplify Doughty like Muzzin and vice versa. Doughty makes everyone look good, Muzzin makes most d-men look better, the others are all dependent on chemistry. I do think on paper Forbort is a good complement but his offensive skills never developed and you can see how that hurts doughty, he literally gets double teamed like he did with Scuderi around and the other team forces Forbort to beat them instead of Doughty-Kopi-Brown-Iafallo, for example. Muzzin keeps the other team honest and you can't just dump the puck into his corner because he can defend and breakout too. Right now, Doughty hardly ever even has to defend since the opponents just attack Forborts side.
And to contrast Muzzin w/say, Voynov, I don't think Voynov would have been capable as a #2 in the same manner, yet he was much better as a #3 running his own pairing as Doughty-lite.
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