Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[damacles1156]

I agree. That was my attempt at humor. It went over as well as Kempe when he doesn't play the Canadiens.

I got the humor .

I was just curious how bad Kempe actually has been production wise and looked it up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think Kempe's probably en route to become another Trevor Lewis type forward who can fore check with speed and occasionally chip in. That's what he may top out as.

Going back to the point I made earlier about forwards peaking very early, take a look at Patrik Berglund's career. 47 points as a 20-year-old rookie, struggled in his sophomore year with 26 points, bounced back in his third year with 52 points as a 22-year-old. Then his numbers plummeted from then on and he's been producing in the 20-30+ point range from then on out.

There's a player who peaked early and has now become a reliant two-way forward who occasionally chips in offensively. Nothing spectacular, just a solid all-around player who never became a consistent point producer. That is what Kempe might become.

One certainty is that he's definitely not going to be a consistent scoring threat. Anyone who thinks so is fooling themselves.

That's been the criticism of his entire career, though, and not necessarily something that could have been 'solved.'

I sure wish he marinated longer but I think that was always the concern. Maybe he 'just' ends up a Pearson-esque top-9 winger that can play up and down the lineup, but he's at least got some tools and offensive IQ. I was always a little wary of people penciling him in as a top-6 C, he never had the responsibility for that. Maybe he develops it but I don't think he's that on-ice smart.

Yet, despite all that, I don't understand why people are going out of their way to say he's peaked and that 37 points is the most he'll ever get. This is possibly the worst environment to do assessments in...everyone is in extremely-low-value land AND it's a less than 20 game sample, never mind the normal sophomore slumps.

I think he'll bounce back. I'm all for healthy skepticism, but this feels like people are looking for someone else to bury.

 

[damacles1156]

That's been the criticism of his entire career, though, and not necessarily something that could have been 'solved.'

I sure wish he marinated longer but I think that was always the concern. Maybe he 'just' ends up a Pearson-esque top-9 winger that can play up and down the lineup, but he's at least got some tools and offensive IQ. I was always a little wary of people penciling him in as a top-6 C, he never had the responsibility for that. Maybe he develops it but I don't think he's that on-ice smart.

Yet, despite all that, I don't understand why people are going out of their way to say he's peaked and that 37 points is the most he'll ever get. This is possibly the worst environment to do assessments in...everyone is in extremely-low-value land AND it's a less than 20 game sample, never mind the normal sophomore slumps.

I think he'll bounce back. I'm all for healthy skepticism, but this feels like people are looking for someone else to bury.

I just posted his last 52 NHL games, it's not pretty. 3 goals and 12 assists with ice time he has been receiving. Those are numbers above average 4th liners put up.

I think Clifford has more goals in his last 52 NHL games.. I'll look.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just posted his last 52 NHL games, it's not pretty. 3 goals and 12 assists with ice time he has been receiving. Those are numbers above average 4th liners put up.

I think Clifford has more goals in his last 52 NHL games.. I'll look.

I get that, I'm just not ready to throw dirt on a 22 year old's casket.

 

[KingsHockey24]

How much longer do we have to endure Tanner Pearson.

 

[King'sPawn]

I get that, I'm just not ready to throw dirt on a 22 year old's casket.

I think it's too early to give up on him, too. My biggest complaints:
- Why is the org obsessed with playing him at center?
- Why is Clifford considered useless when he's scoring about as well as Kempe, but Kempe is given more leeway?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think it's too early to give up on him, too. My biggest complaints:
- Why is the org obsessed with playing him at center?
- Why is Clifford considered useless when he's scoring about as well as Kempe, but Kempe is given more leeway?

Only thing I can think of re: center is he's got the Kings center mold--big, fast, good in open ice, one of the few options beyond the top guys that can actually controlled-entry the puck and lug it thru the neutral zone. But I agree his game isn't suited for it, as good as he is in the open ice, I like him getting closer to the boards to engage people, he plays best when he gets to be pissy.

 

[RocketKing]

Kempe is a really fast player but not effective. Call it hockey IQ or whatever but he's never going to be an impact player in the NHL. Especially with the amount of stupid penalties he takes. IMO best we can do now with the guy is sell him as a young guy with potential in a package deal to upgrade at another position.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Only thing I can think of re: center is he's got the Kings center mold--big, fast, good in open ice, one of the few options beyond the top guys that can actually controlled-entry the puck and lug it thru the neutral zone. But I agree his game isn't suited for it, as good as he is in the open ice, I like him getting closer to the boards to engage people, he plays best when he gets to be pissy.

He should be on the left side of Amadio.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That's been the criticism of his entire career, though, and not necessarily something that could have been 'solved.'

I sure wish he marinated longer but I think that was always the concern. Maybe he 'just' ends up a Pearson-esque top-9 winger that can play up and down the lineup, but he's at least got some tools and offensive IQ. I was always a little wary of people penciling him in as a top-6 C, he never had the responsibility for that. Maybe he develops it but I don't think he's that on-ice smart.

Yet, despite all that, I don't understand why people are going out of their way to say he's peaked and that 37 points is the most he'll ever get. This is possibly the worst environment to do assessments in...everyone is in extremely-low-value land AND it's a less than 20 game sample, never mind the normal sophomore slumps.

I think he'll bounce back. I'm all for healthy skepticism, but this feels like people are looking for someone else to bury.

That's EXACTLY what it is, they pull out the stats, look at the guy with a zero or a 1 and say, he's to blame, he sucks, he's a bust etc,

They either forget what they see, or don't understand what they see, it's infuriating to see all these "people" complain about how old the team is, then bitch and whine when the youth struggle to adapt....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I think it's too early to give up on him, too. My biggest complaints:
- Why is the org obsessed with playing him at center?
- Why is Clifford considered useless when he's scoring about as well as Kempe, but Kempe is given more leeway?

There's only a few intelligently challenged people who think Clifford is useless

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Kempe is a really fast player but not effective. Call it hockey IQ or whatever but he's never going to be an impact player in the NHL. Especially with the amount of stupid penalties he takes. IMO best we can do now with the guy is sell him as a young guy with potential in a package deal to upgrade at another position.

Again, this is just utter bullshit,

The amount of stupid penalties he takes.......81 games played last year....49 penalty minutes.... but yea, let's break out the, he takes stupid penalties idiom.

Has he taken a stupid penalty, absolutely, EVERYONE in the league has....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Only thing I can think of re: center is he's got the Kings center mold--big, fast, good in open ice, one of the few options beyond the top guys that can actually controlled-entry the puck and lug it thru the neutral zone. But I agree his game isn't suited for it, as good as he is in the open ice, I like him getting closer to the boards to engage people, he plays best when he gets to be pissy.

Part of it is his skating, he's quick and fast enough to skate the 200 feet that centers need to, he needs to work on his defense and his faceoffs.....but again...he's TWENTY TWO years old.....nearly EVERY twenty two year old 2nd year C in the NHL has to work on defense and faceoffs.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Forgot to add he also needs to work on his passing and shooting and consistency and positioning and discipline... oh and Kempe leads the Kings in minor penalties taken with 9, which is also 6th most in the NHL.

But y'know, why use numbers when we are blessed with the highly intellectual expert who doesn't backup any information with stats. Just opinions.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

What is this number? (hint, it will make some puke)

146,341

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Forgot to add he also needs to work on his passing and shooting and consistency and positioning and discipline... oh and Kempe leads the Kings in minor penalties taken with 9, which is also 6th most in the NHL.

But y'know, why use numbers when we are blessed with the highly intellectual expert who doesn't backup any information with stats. Just opinions.

He needs to work on his passing, while ignoring the nice backhand saucer pass to Muzzin,

He needs to work on his shooting, while ignoring the fact that he has sniped from the top circle,

And you talk about using facts for f*** sake, holy crap...

I agree with you about positioning, but I know you have clue WHAT about the positioning needs help...you just use it as a talking point....

Your right, kid's a goon, went from what, 62nd in the NHL last year, to sixth, hell, after the first game the kid led the league in penalties....

But naw, let's ignore the small sample size, because you don't know what the f*** you are talking about...

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

What is this number? (hint, it will make some puke)

146,341

Number of people on this LA Kings specific forum that don't know what the hell they are talking about?

Or the number of people that agree with me in private, but won't say anything?

 

[KingsHockey24]

What is this number? (hint, it will make some puke)

146,341

The number of goals Alexander Frolov has in Asia.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Ok, give up?

$12,00,000 salary (this year) ÷ 82 games = $146,341 per game!

hint #1 :
I master the half wall and am safe there - no one can hit me and I cannot skate to move in for a shot...NO...I can maybe saucer a pass across
the ice or just pass off to Doughty...if Doughty gives it back quick, I may send it across to Kovy, so he can shoot.

hint #2:
No, I am not injured.

hint #3
I feel so bad for John...he's a good man. Been here 9 years. It's on us. We need to dig out of this.

Who am I ?

 

[deaderhead28]

How much longer do we have to endure Tanner Pearson.

Kinda reminds me of the posts about Dustin Brown.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

He needs to work on his passing, while ignoring the nice backhand saucer pass to Muzzin,

He needs to work on his shooting, while ignoring the fact that he has sniped from the top circle,

And you talk about using facts for **** sake, holy crap...

I agree with you about positioning, but I know you have clue WHAT about the positioning needs help...you just use it as a talking point....

Your right, kid's a goon, went from what, 62nd in the NHL last year, to sixth, hell, after the first game the kid led the league in penalties....

But naw, let's ignore the small sample size, because you don't know what the **** you are talking about...

LOL, gotta love those examples. He has one goal and one assist on the season, but because he made a nice play once in a while, then that proves you are right versus 50+ samples that prove contrary.

You use one game as an example but ignore the longer list of games where he's done nothing and talk about small sample size. That is hilarious.

You truly are blessed. Have a good night. Try to consume less liquor before you post.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Ok, give up?

$12,00,000 salary (this year) ÷ 82 games = $146,341 per game!

hint #1 :
I master the half wall and am safe there - no one can hit me and I cannot skate to move in for a shot...NO...I can maybe saucer a pass across
the ice or just pass off to Doughty...if Doughty gives it back quick, I may send it across to Kovy, so he can shoot.

hint #2:
No, I am not injured.

hint #3
I feel so bad for John...he's a good man. Been here 9 years. It's on us. We need to dig out of this.

Who am I ?

LOL nice....but I don't think it's 12 million...maybe I am wrong but I just go off cap hits

 

[deaderhead28]

Number of people on this LA Kings specific forum that don't know what the hell they are talking about?

Or the number of people that agree with me in private, but won't say anything?

Shhhhh,you promised not to tell anyone

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

LOL, gotta love those examples. He has one goal and one assist on the season, but because he made a nice play once in a while, then that proves you are right versus 50+ samples that prove contrary.

You use one game as an example but ignore the longer list of games where he's done nothing and talk about small sample size. That is hilarious.

You truly are blessed. Have a good night. Try to consume less liquor before you post.

That's because you don't realize what the f*** you are saying...

He needs to work on his passing....that's just straight and utter BS.....just as bad as he needs to work on his shooting....thats utter crap, the kids got a nice shot, he needs to use it more often....and he makes some solid passes that you don't remember, don't care about, or don't recognize.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Shhhhh,you promised not to tell anyone

Apparently the liquor got to me....not that "person" (that's something HF is making me do instead of using the word I really really want to) ideas about hockey, holy f*** some people are flat out ignorant about the game....