Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season- Luc/Rob ****Show/ Sell Everyone!! Part 3
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
If that's what was rumored it's crazy he ended up signing only a two-year $6.5 million contract.
KINGS17
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I think Williams and his camp went for the "retirement" contract with the Kings, expecting their demands would not be met. As you suggested, he was ready to move back to the east coast. Why, I don't know. To me, the east coast is a great place to be from.
Hmmm youve been saying this for years. Now that the team is complete garbage and their performance has finally dipped. You feel like you are right now. 2 stanley cups and what 7 years later?
Heres the other flaw in the same tired argument you peddle every year. Kings could still trade Doughty and Kopitar and get quite the bounty in return for them. They could have done it prior to this year, last year, this off-season, whenever they want. So, as far as i can tell they are still valuable assets.
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lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
You may be discounting the possibility that Justin Williams really wanted to return to North Carolina. It’s a great place to live, and the fans are great. Just look at the impact Williams has had on that team. The Canes are fun.
Vets like Stoll, Williams and Mitchell had to leave due to salary concerns and age, but they also took all the fun out of the Kings when they left. Guys that brought joy to the rink are hard to replace.
I see posters on this board often forgetting that these hockey players are human beings with actual lives that exist outside of their point totals and cap hits. Justin Williams just strikes me as a guy who can’t be quantified in raw numbers like that.
KINGS17
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I never said anything when they were winning cups. Yes, Doughty especially is still a valuable asset. It doesn't mean this organization is going to win jack anything going forward with Kopitar and Doughty on the roster, so what's the point.
I get it, you want to watch your dear Kopi skate for another 5 years while the Kings win nothing.
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
That's fine, and understandable. Everybody here likes to focus on why he left when they should be a lot more concerned with the impact he would have on the team that doesn't relate to point totals.
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As far as I understand, he never got rid of his home in Carolina and wanted to return at some point. It was just an unfortunate situation overall.
I get that you think your the smartest person here because you have the uniquely brilliant idea that we should trade our only good players in hopes of getting future assetts that will make us more likely to win in the future.
It appears to be all you talk about.
Heres the alternative perspective. The kings already have some very good future asetts that could work out. The kings could also easily sign a impact ufa and hire a new coach. If that happens they are competing quickly. Not that unlikely.
deeshamrock
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The only home he owns is in Ventnor NJ, by the beach. He did choose to go back to the East Coast because his wife wanted to be closer to her family.
deeshamrock
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He wasn't looking to stay, so it wasn't about the money. His primary focus was that his wife wanted their young family to return to the East Coast. And that should not surprise anybody who followed him in career, including the Kings years.
deeshamrock
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Disagree.
The 2014 was not 'underwhelming' in talent. But that 2014 Cup run was will over skill. Justin Williams, when asked about that run and the game 7's., said when the locker room door was closed, the players in the room just looked around that room and he said on winning that 'we knew, we just knew'.
That is because of the leadership they had up and down the roster. Guys like Mitchell, Greene , Williams and Richards who have that 'it ' factor in their DNA. That kind of drive, desire and intensity, having impact shifts, all it takes to win, isn't something you can teach, you either have it or you don't.
DL recognized players who had 'it' and got them on his roster for 3 great years.
This team, is lacking heart, soul and leadership. Building thru the draft is a great way to begin again, and some of that is having scouts who recognize players who are leaders. And when that team is close again, reaching out thru trades to bring in pieces that also have it.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I've said for a long time those guys are 'irreplaceable.' But even I didn't think it could be at this level. My example was always Stoll; it's 'easy' to find a 3C who is more productive, more talented than late-career Stoll. But you're not replacing the intangibles. Some got a good laugh out of that. Many agreed, though. And I don't see how anyone who followed our 2012-2014 teams could not believe in the value of intangibles and/or things beyond raw scoring talent as they pertain to winning.
Dean Lombardi, my god man, those trades he made for character...
Axl Rhoadz
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Maybe I've missed it, but is anyone talking about how the Reign is doing just as well as the Kings? Actually, better...last place overall! Wow, Blake is really having a hell of a year....
Sleeping Dog
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It’s just that kind of response will get you banned around here. LOL
I loved Williams and Mitchell.
Greene and Stoll were big locker room guys too.
I still think Mike Richards was a huge factor on the Cup runs and leadership group.
Greene and Stoll were big locker room guys too.
I still think Mike Richards was a huge factor on the Cup runs and leadership group.
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Just have a question for you. Do you play hockey? I only ask this as I play for 3 teams and between 60 to 90 games a year depending on work and injuries. There is a massive talent gap between the 3 teams and about 6 levels in the league. Technically I should not be playing on team 3 because I exceed the talent level but the league allows it because the team is so bad. To try and make it simple think of it this way.
Team 1 - NHL level - it’s not but to help explain the approximate differences in levels
Team 2 - a loaded AHL team
Team 3 - a poor ECHL team
Now I am playing almost above my head at the NHL level but I am averaging a point a game or a hair under because of the high skill players around me. I would compare myself and n relation to a Jeff Carter having a great year. Basically I won’t lead the league in scoring but I provide a lot for the team.
Now team 3 - ECHL.
I should destroy this league. There are 2 to 3 of us on this team in any given game that should not have any right to play in that division. 1 guy plays defense and us other 2 line up as our 2 centers and double shift so we always have someone our there to lead the offense. Now we should be Gretzky and Lemieux in that league and crush the scoring title but we only average that same point a game we do in our top league. Why you wonder? We are forced to do it all with no help. We are forced to play every situation and lead the offense and backcheck.
I compare this to the Kings and in particular Kopitar and Doughty. Put those two on any other competitive team like Winnipeg, Calgary, etc and they would have way better numbers across the boards and no one would care about their salaries.
Put them in Vega, Tampa or Florida and knock a million off each contract. Yes there is a tax bias.
They crushed it last year w no talent but trust me, it takes a toll in not just your body but your mind. It’s been 4 years for me on both teams and I can honestly say there are just some plays on my ECHL team that 2 years ago I would have gave that extra 10 percent to make but now I say screw It. Yes wrong attitude but you get tired of teammates just not having the talent to help.
I guess I really see this with the Kings. I still think Kopitar and Doughty are top players but we need to surround them with the proper players . Now if management can’t do that then trade them for the future. If they can get out from under Quick, Phaneuf and Carter and land a top 2 pick this could be a different team.
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
The issue with the Kings is prevalent among fans, falling in love with past success and holding onto players because of emotions.
Agree that Lombardi wrecked the franchise’s depth and cap chasing cups. And he deserved to get fired for failing to get rid of Richards and Sutter in a timely fashion. Especially because those mistakes were made out of overstretched loyalty and stubbornness.
Dean made things so bad that he put his power on a plate for a scheming dunce like Robitaille and his lackey Blake to take at first opportunity. I don’t know why Dean ever signed Blake and allowed his re emergence to take place here.
So now we’re stuck with a couple of guys who are already on to Plan B before year two is even up. I’m sure we’ll hear Plan C after the draft and Plan D by Christmas.
Agree that Lombardi wrecked the franchise’s depth and cap chasing cups. And he deserved to get fired for failing to get rid of Richards and Sutter in a timely fashion. Especially because those mistakes were made out of overstretched loyalty and stubbornness.
Dean made things so bad that he put his power on a plate for a scheming dunce like Robitaille and his lackey Blake to take at first opportunity. I don’t know why Dean ever signed Blake and allowed his re emergence to take place here.
So now we’re stuck with a couple of guys who are already on to Plan B before year two is even up. I’m sure we’ll hear Plan C after the draft and Plan D by Christmas.
Is this off your meds day? Or Consipiracy day?
Between the bi-polarness of the fan base I get confused on what days we are supposed to hate the team, and like the team.
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
I’m just a long time Kings fan who is speculating out loud out of concern over the direction of the franchise. There are zero objective reasons to cut Luc and Blake and ultimately AEG any slack for their performance.
I still can watch the team and enjoy hockey and praise obvious progress and growth. But I’m not going to put faith in a couple of guys who have no track record of success as builders of NHL rosters.
What exactly are Blake’s qualifications for the job and how does he rate against available replacements is the real discussion coming IMO. What will be interesting is whether Beckerman and Luc go too, or if Blake is a fall guy.
What it sounds like you are saying and lots of others is that our cup teams were not necessarily talented but had lots of intangibles. I dont disagree with that. I think the way those intangibles manifested was into playing hard, especially defensively. I think we also had a coach that understood how to motivate a team to put out maximum effort.
I don't think thar those type of players require incredibly high draft picks tho.
What am I missing? Why do we need to completely rebuild in order to build a team with intangibles and defensive mindset?
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
In the previous regime, one person held the title of Pres. and GM. Today, that is divided between two people and it is unclear after two years what exactly the Pres. is accountable for when it comes to the on ice product.
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