Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season- Luc/Rob ****Show/ Sell Everyone!! Part 3

[GoldenBearHockey]

What's the point of spending available cap space on guys who aren't playing hard, leading the young guys or producing offensively?

I get that, but the argument stems from re-signing Kopitar in 2015-2016......you think ANY GM just lets him walk? It's almost on par with Tavares, with the exception that Tavares did not want to stay...Isles would have signed him at any cost, if he would have signed.... so yea, it doesn't look great now....but the argument was, his cap hit in 2022-2023 is not going to be significant due to the projected cap space available....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The thing with Kopitar is that his talent is still there. But historically he is on fire when playing motivated and with drive. It sucks that we are paying so much and can’t get skill and motivation all the time but that’s Kopitar for you. Our best bet is to keep him, but infuse youth to get him motivated. Also, Blake needs to have a talk with him about Kopitar’s off season training plan. I recall reading somewhere Kopi came to camp out of shape.

Same goes for Doughty. DD has never been in shape but now that he is getting older he should think about fitness and nutrition.

Agreed, for the record, from what I saw, he looked good playing with Toffoli and Brown, that line was solid last night.....but season as a whole, Kopitar is playing the most unmotivated hockey of his career

 

[KingsFan7824]

These 8 year contracts are anchors bound to splash down sooner than later. Can Kopitar and Doughty get their doo-doo together for next year and beyond or should they be traded asap?

Does either guy want to leave?

 

[The Tikkanen]

I think the plan of attack will be shown during the draft. Too early to say who should go and who should stay. If the plan is to be bad next year, which looks incredibly likely then no point in selling low or buying out anybody. If you get a top 3 pick the plan changes. If you get a top 3 pick and sign Panarin all bets are off. Then you go into sell low mode just to make room monetarily and ice time wise. For instance you don't need Brown and Toffoli on the right if you land Panarin. You don't need Kopitar and Carter if you get Hughes. Blake is in a bad spot relying on stuff to happen to decide how to move forward. And then he will need to find a coach who knows how to motivate old players who have already won and gotten paid and apparently just want to hang out at the beach and sometimes play hockey. Then you have to start thinking about do you want some of these veteran player who have clearly quit on the team poisoning the potential first rounders coming in the next 2 drafts?

 

[BallPointHammer]

Does either guy want to leave?

Probably not and I understand the NMC clauses, but if things aren't working out either one may want a change of scenery.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Are the goalposts moving?

Not at all, I'm talking about the big picture cap space and people acting like it's going to hurt our roster in 3 years. We literally aren't halfway to the cap floor in 3 years.

What goalpost moved?

Edit: oh I see, you want to bemoan Kopitar some more. Very well. If you actually go by the 'trends' you cite, then we're right back to a 70-point or more Kopitar next season like we were last season. Otherwise, you're being dishonest about the 'trends' you believe in, and you really just believe he's in decline. It's okay to say that, but it's an opinion, not a fact, just as it was last season when he put up 92 after you threw dirt on his casket for the lower totals the previous season. The reason I'm not as worried is because 1. I believe him and Drew will bounce back and 2. see above re: cap space.

It's one thing to be mad about the vets' performance and want them moved out for culture reasons, it's quite another to pretend their cap space is what's hampering this team. I'm looking at that second thing and showing why it's folly. Kings will have no problem signing bridge players, ELCs, RFAs in the coming years, we don't need 10 million in cap space to chase Tavares, but we'd have it by then even if we did need it.

 

[BallPointHammer]

I get that, but the argument stems from re-signing Kopitar in 2015-2016......you think ANY GM just lets him walk? It's almost on par with Tavares, with the exception that Tavares did not want to stay...Isles would have signed him at any cost, if he would have signed.... so yea, it doesn't look great now....but the argument was, his cap hit in 2022-2023 is not going to be significant due to the projected cap space available....

I understand that but the Kings might want to trade him anyway, if he agreed, for picks/prospects/NHL players to fuel a significant rebuild.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I understand that but the Kings might want to trade him anyway, if he agreed, for picks/prospects/NHL players to fuel a significant rebuild.

Possibly, it depends on the next 2-3 years I suppose

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Agreed, for the record, from what I saw, he looked good playing with Toffoli and Brown, that line was solid last night.....but season as a whole, Kopitar is playing the most unmotivated hockey of his career

When he goes to the net, good things happen. He was there in the crease, for the Walker pass...and then again when he was coming down the slot and got the rebound and scored. Many of his 19 goals have been when he goes to the net or skating down the slot. He just has to do it a lot more often. Toffoli looked better playing on that line...not fabulous, but better. They should leave TT up there and find a spot for Iafallo that works for him. Maybe try him 3C?

 

[KINGS17]

Kopitar could come back and score 100 points next season (he won't) and the Kings would still be 1st round fodder at best.

There will come a time when Kopitar won't have a bounce back season. It could be as soon as next season.

 

[Fat Elvis]

What's making it tough right now is WD is coaching for a job instead of helping the team get better moving forward. If developing the kids means losing games, it does not benefit WD or his agenda in securing a head coaching job going forward. That's why the minutes haven't changed one bit. Stupid. So stupid to put extra meaningless miles and tough minutes on Doughty, #11, #23 and broken #77 for the remainder of this season. Horrible asset management by WD and horrible that BLuc isn't stopping it.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Kopitar could come back and score 100 points next season (he won't) and the Kings would still be 1st round fodder at best.

There will come a time when Kopitar won't have a bounce back season. It could be as soon as next season.

What if this is his bounce back season and it'll only be worse going forward? There comes a day in which it only goes down hill. Every player hits it.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

What's making it tough right now is WD is coaching for a job instead of helping the team get better moving forward. If developing the kids means losing games, it does not benefit WD or his agenda in securing a head coaching job going forward. That's why the minutes haven't changed one bit. Stupid. So stupid to put extra meaningless miles and tough minutes on Doughty, #11, #23 and broken #77 for the remainder of this season. Horrible asset management by WD and horrible that BLuc isn't stopping it.

This is true. Sucks to be Amadio. He has been playing good hockey his last several games and is scratched. Sit Carter and put Amadio in.

 

[regulate]

This is true. Sucks to be Amadio. He has been playing good hockey his last several games and is scratched. Sit Carter and put Amadio in.

Hard to do when Amadio is back in ONT again.

 

[Schmooley]

Amadio looked great in preseason. Got sent down because of a numbers game/veteran privelage and seemed to have lost a bit of confidence in his first call up. Been looking good lately especially when carter went down and he was slotted in a bigger role. Him and kempe seem to play better with more minutes to get engaged in a game.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

What's making it tough right now is WD is coaching for a job instead of helping the team get better moving forward. If developing the kids means losing games, it does not benefit WD or his agenda in securing a head coaching job going forward. That's why the minutes haven't changed one bit. Stupid. So stupid to put extra meaningless miles and tough minutes on Doughty, #11, #23 and broken #77 for the remainder of this season. Horrible asset management by WD and horrible that BLuc isn't stopping it.

Don't necessarily agree with that, there are some aspects where that is true, but MacDermid and Roy, both had turnovers led to a goal, they were both out next shift after, Walker against Tampa, had a brutal turnover, was back out there.....that's part of developign etc.

 

[YP44]

interesting that in 31 thoughts friedman said Pittsburgh was in on bringing Hagelin back, however central registries noticed that they could not because of the retention in the intial deal.

Am I reading too much into that in thinking that if the deal was at central registries it was a done deal?

 

[Fat Elvis]

Don't necessarily agree with that, there are some aspects where that is true, but MacDermid and Roy, both had turnovers led to a goal, they were both out next shift after, Walker against Tampa, had a brutal turnover, was back out there.....that's part of developign etc.

GBH, maybe you didn't quite get what I meant. WD, has no other options to play those kids. They are playing basically minimum minutes though. Not like there's a ton of options for WD to choose from. Doughty can't play every shift. What my point is, why is Doughty and the rest of the "core" still playing max minutes? There's absolutely zero reason, zero. Adding useless miles on the aging vets is moronic. This season has been lost for months. The "kids" have 1 quarter of a season under their belts, set them free. Find out what you truly have. Giving them more sheltered minutes is a waste. A waste of their time and a waste of more miles on aging vets. Let the kids make mistakes. They're not fragile little snowflakes. Let them play, let them make mistakes, let them learn, let them get better.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

This is true. Sucks to be Amadio. He has been playing good hockey his last several games and is scratched. Sit Carter and put Amadio in.

Yup. I think Carter would benefit from sitting for a bit. I know he's having an off season but if he needs a few down days, it might help him along. Or just demote him to 3C now and let Amadio work on his game.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Kopitar could come back and score 100 points next season (he won't) and the Kings would still be 1st round fodder at best.

There will come a time when Kopitar won't have a bounce back season. It could be as soon as next season.

This is exactly what people are just refusing to understand. Even if the the cap ceiling is at $100 million in 2023, you’re still committing 10% of your cap to an old player who will be putting up 15-25-40.

Name a single contender this year or last spending 10% of their cap on a single, non-impact depth player.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Hard to do when Amadio is back in ONT again.

They could...they move players between there hourly....maybe next year, Carter is Moulsened and he can still practice at TSC.

 

[Piston]

The cap shrinking or at the very least stagnating is a very real possibility with the US economy on the verge of another huge downturn.

Link?

 

[DoktorJeep]

According to CapFriendly, 2 seasons from this one about to end, at the start of 2022 season, the Kings have a committed cap hit of $27.7M to 4 players.

Kopitar $10m for 2 seasons
Doughty $11m for 5 seasons
Quick $5.8m for 1 season
Mike Richards termination $900k for 3 seasons (drops to $700k in final two years)

Assuming that seasons cap is $100m, they have around $73M available to fill out 20 spots on the rest of the roster. I think it’s safe to assume that at that point of their careers, Quick is a backup goalie, Kopitar is a 3rd line center and Doughty is a #2 defenseman.

That means if the Kings somehow get lucky and have a top center, dman and goalie, they’ll likely need to pay them over $30M combined.

So now you have close to $60m tied up in 6 players and still need to pay 17 other skaters with $40M left to spread around. That works out to an average of a little over $2M a player. To find cup contender quality depth players with that budget and all the other real world constraints is a very risky plan.

If you’re trying to peddle hope and say a return to the Cup is a couple years away, I don’t see how cap space isn’t an asset. Any opportunity to trade Quick must be taken. Kopitar must be shopped for a premium return while any possibility still exists. Doughty should be kept until 2022 unless a ridiculous return is involved. After that he should also move if a deal makes sense and can be had.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Link?

Another Warning That A 2019 Recession Is Coming

 

[crassbonanza]

According to CapFriendly, 2 seasons from this one about to end, at the start of 2022 season, the Kings have a committed cap hit of $27.7M to 4 players.

Kopitar $10m for 2 seasons
Doughty $11m for 5 seasons
Quick $5.8m for 1 season
Mike Richards termination $900k for 3 seasons (drops to $700k in final two years)

Assuming that seasons cap is $100m, they have around $73M available to fill out 20 spots on the rest of the roster. I think it’s safe to assume that at that point of their careers, Quick is a backup goalie, Kopitar is a 3rd line center and Doughty is a #2 defenseman.

That means if the Kings somehow get lucky and have a top center, dman and goalie, they’ll likely need to pay them over $30M combined.

So now you have close to $60m tied up in 6 players and still need to pay 17 other skaters with $40M left to spread around. That works out to an average of a little over $2M a player. To find cup contender quality depth players with that budget and all the other real world constraints is a very risky plan.

If you’re trying to peddle hope and say a return to the Cup is a couple years away, I don’t see how cap space isn’t an asset. Any opportunity to trade Quick must be taken. Kopitar must be shopped for a premium return while any possibility still exists. Doughty should be kept until 2022 unless a ridiculous return is involved. After that he should also move if a deal makes sense and can be had.

Where are you finding a Goalie/Defenseman/Center asking for 10 million each? Are you signing UFA's? Because ELC's last 3 years...