Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season- Luc/Rob ****Show/ Sell Everyone!! Part 3

[GoldenBearHockey]

Teams paying huge cap hits to players ACTUALLY IN THEIR ****ING PRIMES would be in a much better situation than those paying huge cap hits to has-been superstars.

Well yea, but that's not what you said

 

[KINGS17]

Oh, yeah. I know how bad the Kings have been, which is why I understand and believe that attempting to capitalize while you have a top 5 center/defenseman is the appropriate decision. You never know when you are going to have that talent level again, so sacrificing a few years down the road to take some shots is the appropriate move.

I don't think Kopitar is a top five center in the NHL going forward. More and more it appears last year was quite a bit outside the norm.

Last five seasons including this one:

2014-15	27	LAK	NHL	79	16	48	64	-2	10	10	6	0	4	30	18	0	134	11.9	249	1532	19:23	736	674	52.2	45	104	27	47	Byng-3,Selke-3
2015-16	28	LAK	NHL	81	25	49	74	34	16	19	5	1	8	34	13	2	177	14.1	311	1690	20:52	950	826	53.5	65	78	43	45	AS-3,Byng-1,Hart-8,Selke-1
2016-17	29	LAK	NHL	76	12	40	52	-10	28	7	5	0	0	25	14	1	150	8.0	290	1578	20:46	892	801	52.7	59	78	29	37	Byng-26,Selke-15
2017-18	30	LAK	NHL	82	35	57	92	21	20	28	7	0	6	35	20	2	200	17.5	350	1811	22:05	983	833	54.1	64	50	54	70	AS-3,AS-6,Byng-4,Hart-3,Selke-1
2018-19	31	LAK	NHL	62	17	27	44	-6	28	15	0	2	2	15	12	0	125

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Giving a player a contract is like buying a stock. You don't do it based on past performance alone, you do it based on what you believe will be the future earnings. Right know the Kings are holding 10,000,000 shares of Sears/Kopitar stock.

 

[MartinS82]

Can someone tell me if there is a difference between Kappo and Hughes?

Hughes likely goes first overall, but has had some problem when playing against older competition (ie when the USNTDP plays D1 colleges). He tears up the USHL though.

Kakko is playing in the Finnish Liiga. I've only seen him play in a few tournament games, never in Liiga, but by all accounts he handles himself well against older competition - even though he isn't lighting up the league or anything.

IMO Hughes has almost unlimited upside, but Kakko might actually be a "safer" pick. Hope that helps.

 

[crassbonanza]

I don't think Kopitar is a top five center in the NHL going forward. More and more it appears last year was quite a bit outside the norm.

Last five seasons including this one:

2014-15	27	LAK	NHL	79	16	48	64	-2	10	10	6	0	4	30	18	0	134	11.9	249	1532	19:23	736	674	52.2	45	104	27	47	Byng-3,Selke-3
2015-16	28	LAK	NHL	81	25	49	74	34	16	19	5	1	8	34	13	2	177	14.1	311	1690	20:52	950	826	53.5	65	78	43	45	AS-3,Byng-1,Hart-8,Selke-1
2016-17	29	LAK	NHL	76	12	40	52	-10	28	7	5	0	0	25	14	1	150	8.0	290	1578	20:46	892	801	52.7	59	78	29	37	Byng-26,Selke-15
2017-18	30	LAK	NHL	82	35	57	92	21	20	28	7	0	6	35	20	2	200	17.5	350	1811	22:05	983	833	54.1	64	50	54	70	AS-3,AS-6,Byng-4,Hart-3,Selke-1
2018-19	31	LAK	NHL	62	17	27	44	-6	28	15	0	2	2	15	12	0	125

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Giving a player a contract is like buying a stock. You don't do it based on past performance alone, you do it based on what you believe will be the future earnings. Right know the Kings are holding 10,000,000 shares of Sears/Kopitar stock.

Over the 5 year period you highlighted, Kopitar is 9th in scoring among centers, while winning two Selke's and coming in 3rd for another. I think it is very fair to have considered him a top 5 center coming off of the championships. I also disagree fervently with your analogy about stocks. Contracts have a lot more to do with the position your team is in and your current goals, not trying to maximize earnings. Buying a Handzus for too much was worth it for a young team. Paying Kopitar too much down the road when the team is rebuilding and cap space is not nearly as important is worth it if you're trying to maximize your opportunity with a cup window. Obviously it didn't work out, but that is the risk you take.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think Kopitar is a top five center in the NHL going forward. More and more it appears last year was quite a bit outside the norm.

Last five seasons including this one:

Giving a player a contract is like buying a stock. You don't do it based on past performance alone, you do it based on what you believe will be the future earnings. Right know the Kings are holding 10,000,000 shares of Sears/Kopitar stock.

This might be the meanest thing you've said about Kopitar in the last five years

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Teams paying huge cap hits to players ACTUALLY IN THEIR ****ING PRIMES would be in a much better situation than those paying huge cap hits to has-been superstars.

The oilers called to say "what's up?"

 

[Sol]

Hughes likely goes first overall, but has had some problem when playing against older competition (ie when the USNTDP plays D1 colleges). He tears up the USHL though.

Kakko is playing in the Finnish Liiga. I've only seen him play in a few tournament games, never in Liiga, but by all accounts he handles himself well against older competition - even though he isn't lighting up the league or anything.

IMO Hughes has almost unlimited upside, but Kakko might actually be a "safer" pick. Hope that helps.

I appreciate the answer. Thanks man

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Hmmm, what makes you think the U.S. economy is on the verge of a huge downturn?

I don't see that happening, but hey I could be wrong.

Some economists are predicting another real estate bubble. Also, a lot of big corps have been making some massive layoffs seemingly in preparation.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

The oilers called to say "what's up?"

I think it’s fair to say the Oilers are an anomaly of eternal suck regardless of what happens in the hockey world

 

[SettlementRichie10]

The thing is as soon as Kopitar signed his contract, he received an NMC which went into effect immediately. His agent had a putt on the same line as Visnovsky's agent, only from further out, and saw which way the green broke.

I didn’t realize this; thanks. Thought the NMC went into effect in 16/17.

Dean got f***ing bent over on that deal. What a shame.

 

[KINGS17]

Over the 5 year period you highlighted, Kopitar is 9th in scoring among centers, while winning two Selke's and coming in 3rd for another. I think it is very fair to have considered him a top 5 center coming off of the championships. I also disagree fervently with your analogy about stocks. Contracts have a lot more to do with the position your team is in and your current goals, not trying to maximize earnings. Buying a Handzus for too much was worth it for a young team. Paying Kopitar too much down the road when the team is rebuilding and cap space is not nearly as important is worth it if you're trying to maximize your opportunity with a cup window. Obviously it didn't work out, but that is the risk you take.

The issue is the Kings are more likely to get a sub-60 point season from Kopitar going forward than they are to get a 70+ point season.

The trend and inconsistency over the last 5 years is quite evident.

In addition to the inconsistency from season to season, the real issue is Kopitar's contract with 5 years remaining doesn't fit what the demographic of this team needs to be going forward. I think the only hope the Kings have over the next 5 seasons is to get him out of the 1C spot. His replacement needs to be on an ELC, because Kopitar takes up too much cap space, so we know that player is going to have to come from the draft.

Only other viable option I see is a compliance buy out after the next CBA is negotiated.

Unfortunately, the Kings cup window with this core was closed by the time Kopitar signed his third contract. Many posters here said it, and the one playoff game won in the last five seasons bears out that opinion.

 

[crassbonanza]

The issue is the Kings are more likely to get a sub-60 point season from Kopitar going forward than they are to get a 70+ point season.

The trend and inconsistency over the last 5 years is quite evident.

In addition to the inconsistency from season to season, the real issue is Kopitar's contract with 5 years remaining doesn't fit what the demographic of this team needs to be going forward. I think the only hope the Kings have over the next 5 seasons is to get him out of the 1C spot. His replacement needs to be on an ELC, because Kopitar takes up too much cap space, so we know that player is going to have to come from the draft.

Only other viable option I see is a compliance buy out after the next CBA is negotiated.

It feels like a lot of people haven't looked at our cap situation, the Kings are flush with cap space 3 years from now. I don't know what we would possibly need his cap space for.

 

[KINGS17]

It feels like a lot of people haven't looked at our cap situation, the Kings are flush with cap space 3 years from now. I don't know what we would possibly need his cap space for.

Better players.

 

[crassbonanza]

Better players.

Where are you going to find them? Are you going to sign some other 28 year olds who are going to decline a couple of years into their contract so you can complain about them?

 

[KINGS17]

Where are you going to find them? Are you going to sign some other 28 year olds who are going to decline a couple of years into their contract so you can complain about them?

Nope, going to clear the dead weight and bring in a few vets for 2 or 3 seasons the kids can actually learn something from other than how to lay down over almost an entire season.

 

[crassbonanza]

Nope, going to clear the dead weight and bring in a few vets for 2 or 3 seasons the kids can actually learn something from other than laying down during almost an entire season.

You know, you could do that as well. The Kings will likely have at least 30 million in cap space and that is very conservative.

 

[KINGS17]

You know, you could do that as well. The Kings will likely have at least 30 million in cap space and that is very conservative.

Still need to get rid of the rotten core. "Better" doesn't necessarily mean more talented.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It feels like a lot of people haven't looked at our cap situation, the Kings are flush with cap space 3 years from now. I don't know what we would possibly need his cap space for.

I feel like this is getting overlooked bigtime.

In 22-23--the year when folks upset about cap hits seem to be most concerned--we literally only committed 27 million in cap hit so far. if the cap were to remain the same instead of go up like it historically does, we have nearly 52 f***ing million in cap space. If it goes up? Maybe closer to 60? we'll have trouble hitting the floor more than the ceiling.

Can say you're upset about the players and you want them gone and that's legit, but being worried they won't allow us to put a roster together doesn't add up. We're not going out and spending on a Tavares, karlsson, 22-23 will be kids, ELCs, RFAs, and bridges.

 

[KINGS17]

I feel like this is getting overlooked bigtime.

In 22-23--the year when folks upset about cap hits seem to be most concerned--we literally only committed 27 million in cap hit so far. if the cap were to remain the same instead of go up like it historically does, we have nearly 52 ****ing million in cap space. If it goes up? Maybe closer to 60? we'll have trouble hitting the floor more than the ceiling.

Can say you're upset about the players and you want them gone and that's legit, but being worried they won't allow us to put a roster together doesn't add up. We're not going out and spending on a Tavares, karlsson, 22-23 will be kids, ELCs, RFAs, and bridges.

Are the goalposts moving?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Are the goalposts moving?

Are the goalposts moving?

No, that's called the conversation evolving

 

[KINGS17]

I see, when you're wrong the conversation evolves. Some budding politicians here?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I see, when you're wrong the conversation evolves. Some budding politicians here?

LMAO and apparently a snow flake who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is wrong....

Seriously? You bitch about moan about Kopitar's cap hit.....they point out that at the year when it's most important, the cap space is going to be 50M or whatever it was, so it's not that big of a deal, you then say they are moving the goal posts, and now you say they are wrong....

Ok...so how much is the cap space in 2022-2023??

 

[BallPointHammer]

These 8 year contracts are anchors bound to splash down sooner than later. Can Kopitar and Doughty get their doo-doo together for next year and beyond or should they be traded asap?

 

[BallPointHammer]

LMAO and apparently a snow flake who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is wrong....

Seriously? You ***** about moan about Kopitar's cap hit.....they point out that at the year when it's most important, the cap space is going to be 50M or whatever it was, so it's not that big of a deal, you then say they are moving the goal posts, and now you say they are wrong....

Ok...so how much is the cap space in 2022-2023??

What's the point of spending available cap space on guys who aren't playing hard, leading the young guys or producing offensively?

 

[AlphaBravo]

The thing with Kopitar is that his talent is still there. But historically he is on fire when playing motivated and with drive. It sucks that we are paying so much and can’t get skill and motivation all the time but that’s Kopitar for you. Our best bet is to keep him, but infuse youth to get him motivated. Also, Blake needs to have a talk with him about Kopitar’s off season training plan. I recall reading somewhere Kopi came to camp out of shape.

Same goes for Doughty. DD has never been in shape but now that he is getting older he should think about fitness and nutrition.