Kevyn Adams - New GM

[Uberpecker]

The old regime under Botterill has literally done a worse job than a random group of informed fans would have done, and by a fair margin to boot.
It started with the ROR trade, continued with suspect drafting and even more bad asset managment.

Now whether that was because the whole FO was incompetent or their input was overruled by a bad GM or clueless owners is certainly up for debate. But anything that's different than what it was should be an improvement at this point.

 

[Buffaloed]

The issue is the lack of a runway to develop a solid book for all the players around the league with how the GM wants to build the team.

Just like how they started from scratch on the draft prospects because Adams has a different take on what a "Sabres player" is and how he wants to build the team.

The Sabres both have a smaller staff and not a lot of time to build a book on all the guys that are hitting UFA, especially the RFAs that didn't get a QO that they likely didn't expect to be UFAs.

I give the advantage to Adam's staff because they use analytics. Nightingale has tons of data on every player and can quickly drill down to identify players they want to target. Botterill's staff wouldn't be able to function if they had to move quickly. They didn't do very well when they had months to scout players. They rely too much on subjective impressions and how they "feel" about a player.

 

[Jim Bob]

I give the advantage to Adam's staff because they use analytics. Nightingale has tons of data on every player and can quickly drill down to identify players they want to target. Botterill's staff wouldn't be able to function if they had to move quickly. They didn't do very well when they had months to scout players. They rely too much on subjective impressions and how they "feel" about a player.

Given the way the draft played out, I question how committed they are to analytics.

But, we shall see.

 

[valet]

I give the advantage to Adam's staff because they use analytics. Nightingale has tons of data on every player and can quickly drill down to identify players they want to target. Botterill's staff wouldn't be able to function if they had to move quickly. They didn't do very well when they had months to scout players. They rely too much on subjective impressions and how they "feel" about a player.

Botterill vision (for lack of a better term), didn't seem cohesive. It seemed like he was just taking what he could get.

Verdict is obviously still out on whether Adams has a real plan to construct our roster, of course. But I prefer the language he's used so far over Botterill's slapdash approach.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Given the way the draft played out, I question how committed they are to analytics.

But, we shall see.

I would think it was the opposite, the reason for not going BPA is because of their analytics.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I would think it was the opposite, the reason for not going BPA is because of their analytics.

Also, how would we know which data or which “analytics” they’re looking at? Teams use their own data and their own metrics - they don’t use the charts on the internet.

 

[jc17]

Also, how would we know which data or which “analytics” they’re looking at? Teams use their own data and their own metrics - they don’t use the charts on the internet.

Not that they should be used uniquely or revered, but if botterill used internet charts we'd be a better team.

I wouldn't swear by them, but just because something is free and public doesn't mean its worthless.

 

[OkimLom]

The old regime under Botterill has literally done a worse job than a random group of informed fans would have done, and by a fair margin to boot.
It started with the ROR trade, continued with suspect drafting and even more bad asset managment.

Now whether that was because the whole FO was incompetent or their input was overruled by a bad GM or clueless owners is certainly up for debate. But anything that's different than what it was should be an improvement at this point.

I'd say it started 1/2 half way through the 17-18 season though I really enjoyed him trading away a NHL role player for a AHL defenseman, as he stood pat on keeping the same players here, in a "see what you have season" and made no moves to start the work on re-shaping "cheaper" parts on the team (bottom 6 forwards group) when it was clear we needed to change that and the culture in the room. From that point, it was clear to me he was not a good GM (outside of the hiring of Housley for my tastes). A quality GM should know what he has by that point, with or without the players playing the system at a competitive level.

 

[Jim Bob]

I would think it was the opposite, the reason for not going BPA is because of their analytics.

They did go BPA. They felt that Quinn and JJP were the BPA at those spots.

My question of how they are using analytics is more to the trade up to get JJP when all the analytics say it that trading back is a better approach than trading up.

We know that the Flames lean on analytics (passing on Risto because of the underlying numbers) and they traded back twice in the first round and added 2 3rd rounders.

 

[PegulasSportsEmpire]

 

[Digable5]

This baffles me. I thought Kahun played well and was happy to be here. He would have been a cheap QO and probably a cheap signing too. At the very least his play since the trade would have increased his trade value and allow them to recoup some draft asset at minimum. Kahun was someone I was excited to watch next year and now he is let go for nothing.

 

[Reddawg]

This baffles me. I thought Kahun played well and was happy to be here. He would have been a cheap QO and probably a cheap signing too. At the very least his play since the trade would have increased his trade value and allow them to recoup some draft asset at minimum. Kahun was someone I was excited to watch next year and now he is let go for nothing.

The point is that he wouldn’t have signed his QO and would have taken the team to arbitration where he might have been awarded a salary the team finds untenable but would be stuck with. This way, we can negotiate freely.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

They did go BPA. They felt that Quinn and JJP were the BPA at those spots.

My question of how they are using analytics is more to the trade up to get JJP when all the analytics say it that trading back is a better approach than trading up.

We know that the Flames lean on analytics (passing on Risto because of the underlying numbers) and they traded back twice in the first round and added 2 3rd rounders.

Yeah trading back instead of trading up in the draft is a basic math thing / common sense. It's not some complicated advanced stat that some teams would know about and others wouldn't. Trading up doesn't match up with any kind of analytics. It's more of a panic move when you're dead set on one specific player and are afraid to lose him.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Nashville release a small draft day video and it is somewhat hard to understand but it sounds like Buffalo offered pick #8 for #11 & #37. Nashville thought about it but said no.

 

[Jim Bob]

Nashville release a small draft day video and it is somewhat hard to understand but it sounds like Buffalo offered pick #8 for #11 & #37. Nashville thought about it but said no.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Quinn probably would of still be there and added #37 would of been pretty nice. If that Bonino trade was already in the works this trade probably would of happened.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I’m really not liking this guy. We need a top 4 LHD. Ryan Murray gets traded for a 5th. Is our GM that stupid that he thinks that was too much?!

 

[jcbeze]

I’m really not liking this guy. We need a top 4 LHD. Ryan Murray gets traded for a 5th. Is our GM that stupid that he thinks that was too much?!

Who says it was even offered to him?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Who says it was even offered to him?

You call other teams and ask. You don’t just wait for people to call you.

 

[Fjordsen]

I’m really not liking this guy. We need a top 4 LHD. Ryan Murray gets traded for a 5th. Is our GM that stupid that he thinks that was too much?!

Have you seen how many games Murray has played in recent seasons? He is a good player, but this is a big risk considering his injuries.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Have you seen how many games Murray has played in recent seasons? He is a good player, but this is a big risk considering his injuries.

You take that risk for a 5th. Unless they really wanna see McCabe play over 20 minutes a night again.

 

[Fjordsen]

You take that risk for a 5th. Unless they really wanna see McCabe play over 20 minutes a night again.

It's not about price, it's about position. You take a player who can play 20-30 games and get injured, and we will have to put an AHL player instead. We need a healthy LD.

 

[Digable5]

The point is that he wouldn’t have signed his QO and would have taken the team to arbitration where he might have been awarded a salary the team finds untenable but would be stuck with. This way, we can negotiate freely.

Thanks. I hadn’t read that or thought of that myself.

 

[Buffaloed]

Have you seen how many games Murray has played in recent seasons? He is a good player, but this is a big risk considering his injuries.

Don't you want to re-live the Bogo experience from the left side?

 

[Fjordsen]

Don't you want to re-live the Bogo experience from the left side?

I really don't want to.

We trade for Murray
He gets injury
McCabe plays 20 minutes