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CaliSabresfan24
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Going into this offseason I was screaming that Adams needed to load up on RHD for our pipeline and on the roster and he answered!
Now get another goalie and I'll be ecstatic!
Now get another goalie and I'll be ecstatic!
Fjordy
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Well, I was talking about the top 4 D and goalie. Adams improved the depth of defense, although Clifton is not quite the top 4 D, but I like him. A goalie is a must, except that Adams trades for Pesce and will go into the season with Levi, UPL and Comrie. There could also be some forward due to Quinn's injury, and Adams wanted to add some forward to the UFA. So far, it looks to me like Adams has done half of his job.
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I thought this would be another development year and his moves thus far have proven that. I’m a little disappointed with the pace he’s moving but he’s moving in the right direction so I can wait another year. At least they will challenge for the last playoff spot.
Has he said that? I have been very patient but for me playoffs is the expectation. If they don't get there, I'll consider the season a failure.
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Well, he did not seem to say that it would again be a season of development and evaluation. It's still on the market.
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As of today his actions are speaking. But season doesn’t start today. We’ll see what happens. Right now we’re banking on development for improvement.
Hopefully the defense isn’t set.
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I think Dahlin is already RD. He's even more comfortable there.
Kind of. I know you didn’t get a chance to watch much last year but even though the pairing is listed Samuelsson - Dahlin, Samuelsson wound up on the right side more often than not.
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It's strange, because I saw graph where Dahlin always played RD, and Samuelsson almost never. But I know that they change during the game. It’s just that Dahlin himself said that it’s even more convenient for him to play RD, it’s easier to attack and shot than on LD.
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In the cap era it happens way too often to be an outlier. The only options are not outlier or the norm. There are degrees in between
Criticizing your opinion and how its framed is not a personal attack. Even if you feel it’s unfair or harsh.
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They would shift on the fly a lot. Seemed like offensively when Dahlin would read the defense he'd often switch sides mid shift, and Sammy was really good at reading those and adjusting. That's where others kind of failed I think, they had difficulty adjusting to Dahlin. Some of them get so set in their positioning it becomes difficult to adjust in the way they need to with him.
All indications are pointing to another devel year given who they brought in and all of the pending UFA contracts heading into next summer. Not sure the fan base will stomach yet another Adams feel good presser saying I'm in it for the long term bs.
Theres more then enough talent to make the post season but not enough focus has been placed on forward and D that can prevent goals. Hopefully coaching can make enough of a difference.
brian_griffin
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Not arguing with you singularly, but I’m somewhat baffled by those who can judge the “theme” or “goal” for the season 1 week after the draft and 5 days after free agency started.
Isn’t the prospect for any NHL team an 80-90% function of what they did the preceding year ?
Do playoff teams not continue to develop? Do developing teams not yearn for the playoffs? Unless a team is actively tearing down and rebuilding it’s hard to assert whether their talent and development will sort them better, worse, or on par with prior season.
What does the number of pending UFAs have anything to do with whether a team is “(still) developing” vs “a (near-guaranteed) playoff team”? WOuld Anders Bjork and Vinnie Hinostroza both signed for 4 more years portend a certain playoff future?
Really though, isn’t he mostly correct? I understand you can never have enough talent, but at the same time, it’s up to Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Thompson, Cozens, Peterka, Quinn (when healthy), Levi (if he’s finally the one), to get us out of this mess. You supplement them with solid additions (which I think Clifton & Johnson are), but really you need to rely on your core and their development.
This is partially the reason I’m very excited for camp with the Quinn injury in mind to see if someone like Kulich, Savoie, Rousek, etc just come in, grab the bull by the horns and take a job. That would be ideal. And that’s why I believe they’ll hold onto Olofsson. Is he a great player? No way. He has tons of warts in his game. But he’s a 28goal type of wart player. And I think you let those rookies go against him in camp and show what they’ve got. You’ll get a better offer for him at the deadline anyways when someone is desperate to add scoring for a playoff run.
Well, we are approaching the, effectively, end of the offseason for any major moves.
Given the roster size, it's likely going to be bodies going out and not bodies brought back.
Clifton: Good bottom pair d-man....per Boston fans I've spoken with...you don't want to give him minutes. So, he's a bottom pair d-man who is a project guy in the top 4. I think he WILL improve the PK a bit.
Johnson: Good veteran depth d-man, a likely upgrade on Joker/Lybushkin
So, in terms of the signings, Adams HAS upgraded the bottom 3 of the defense....but, realistically, the upgrades are marginal. We are left with 9 d-men, six of them are bottom pair variety.
But really, the issue is what he HASN'T done
- Running back with the exact same forward group despite obvious flaws and poorly constructed forward group
- Running back with same goalies despite an obvious path forward of putting Levi in Rochester and finding an upgrade on one of UPL/Comrie.
The criticism of Adams going into the summer is not good at identifying issues and finding fixes. This summer (so far) has done nothing to dissuade that. The PK might be a little better with Clifton. Other than that....this is the same team with the same systemic issues, same coaching staff, and just hoping and praying the holes in the roster will fill themselves. That the coaching issues will resolve themselves. That the goaltending will just be better magically.
The chances for improvements are hopes and dreams, not concrete steps being taken.
Given the roster size, it's likely going to be bodies going out and not bodies brought back.
Clifton: Good bottom pair d-man....per Boston fans I've spoken with...you don't want to give him minutes. So, he's a bottom pair d-man who is a project guy in the top 4. I think he WILL improve the PK a bit.
Johnson: Good veteran depth d-man, a likely upgrade on Joker/Lybushkin
So, in terms of the signings, Adams HAS upgraded the bottom 3 of the defense....but, realistically, the upgrades are marginal. We are left with 9 d-men, six of them are bottom pair variety.
But really, the issue is what he HASN'T done
- Running back with the exact same forward group despite obvious flaws and poorly constructed forward group
- Running back with same goalies despite an obvious path forward of putting Levi in Rochester and finding an upgrade on one of UPL/Comrie.
The criticism of Adams going into the summer is not good at identifying issues and finding fixes. This summer (so far) has done nothing to dissuade that. The PK might be a little better with Clifton. Other than that....this is the same team with the same systemic issues, same coaching staff, and just hoping and praying the holes in the roster will fill themselves. That the coaching issues will resolve themselves. That the goaltending will just be better magically.
The chances for improvements are hopes and dreams, not concrete steps being taken.
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I think Clifton can do more than a defender of the third pair, but I agree we need goalie and some kind of forward. We don't have everything as perfect in attack as it may seem, especially with Quinn's injury.
Wow Karlsson, Tarasenko and Dumba are sure going to be disappointed to learn the offseason is over! Bad news for them.
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apparently w people viewing, novikov, neuchev may play as soon as any on that list..
Quinn and Power are hits. Benson at 13 should be a hit, still big question if he is worth top 5 value as projected. The rest are still Magic beans, albeit some good looking beans.
KA and his draft team look excellent so far. I believe this plays a big part in why he has not MADE aggressive moves. Why sign a 6x6 in FA if in two years you have a player on ELC providing that production and more value.
First look at McCarthy Johnson and Novikov, we have some good D coming through now. If anything, by doing nothing, KA is likely increasing the worth of our prospects since they all seem to perform so well.
If drafting looked suspect, or development issues, KA would be more pressured to pull the trigger to improve roster through trades.
KA and his draft team look excellent so far. I believe this plays a big part in why he has not MADE aggressive moves. Why sign a 6x6 in FA if in two years you have a player on ELC providing that production and more value.
First look at McCarthy Johnson and Novikov, we have some good D coming through now. If anything, by doing nothing, KA is likely increasing the worth of our prospects since they all seem to perform so well.
If drafting looked suspect, or development issues, KA would be more pressured to pull the trigger to improve roster through trades.
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I'd also prefer a team of lemieux and lindros ,.. but...all had injury issues
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Absent some truly remarkable player being made available I think there is a rationale to letting our high end prospects mature another year--we still do not really know what we have and therefor do not know which of our prospects should be part of major trades. Certainly we have too many to keep them all and decisions need to be made soon but I can cope with another year while we see our good young guns develop. Then we can decide what we need most and go after it with such overpayments as necessary as long as we are not robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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