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Chainshot said:
Dubas is the one who signed the Tavares deal. He's the one who gave Matthews and Marner their deals - not getting 8 years for AM and paying more than he probably needed to for MM. That wasn't Shanaplanning, that Dubas. For the things he's done well - finding lesser lights to plug into his lineup like Hyman and Bunting say, he gave back with how he structured his cap expenditures.
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His biggest blunders seem to have come early in his tenure. He also had some iffy trade deadline acquisitions, but I assume every contender has.

I have to say, the shenanigans he was pulling during the playoffs- like getting into shouting matches with fans- was pretty embarrassing. He needed to show more composure as a GM.

Overall, he seemed like a decent GM with maturity issues. Not great, but not terrible.

Regardless of who the GM is, if Keefe and that core are back next year, then theyre going to fold again in the playoffs. Keefe seems to out think himself, and their 'core' have pulled enough Houdini acts in the spring for me to take them seriously.
 
Dubi Doo said:
His biggest blunders seem to have come early in his tenure. He also had some iffy trade deadline acquisitions, but I assume every contender has.

I have to say, the shenanigans he was pulling during the playoffs- like getting into shouting matches with fans- was pretty embarrassing. He needed to show more composure as a GM.

Overall, he seemed like a decent GM with maturity issues. Not great, but not terrible.

Regardless of who the GM is, if Keefe and that core are back next year, then theyre going to fold again in the playoffs. Keefe seems to out think himself, and their 'core' have pulled enough Houdini acts in the spring for me to take them seriously.
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Many assume Keefe is out whenever the new GM hire is made.
 
I'd like to see them give Karmanos the GM role and move Adams up to President of Hockey Ops.
 
In regards to some of the previous comments in this thread regarding receipts and whatnot - I wanted say this:

It's much easier to be an optimistic fan than a pessimistic fan. If I praise every move the Sabres make, I'll get plenty of "likes" on the posts and generally receive favorable responses to my replies. If you don't think a move is going to pan out - other fans are going to challenge you on your point and force you to back it up as much as possible (and still probably not agree).

I've lurked on this portion of the board for 12 years now, and I still vividly remember posts prior to 2013 - 2014 wondering if we're actually going to be as bad as people think, or around Christmas in 14-15 when we were inching towards a playoff spot and people thought this team was good enough and didn't need to tank (including by some people that were just dunking on Ace for being off in his post). Point being - fans as a whole tend to be overly optimistic.

Here's an example: if I say that Topias Leinonen and Mats Lindgren are looking like poor draft choices - if your first thought is something along the lines of "that's ridiculous, those kids are 18, and goalies take forever to develop, how could you say something like that etc etc" - you're being overly optimistic. 2nd and 4th round choices turn into an NHL player less than half the time to begin with. You combine that with an uninspiring D+1 campaign, the odds of them making it go down even more. That's not to say there's zero chance they make it, but the odds are not in their favor. The "correct" (read: most probable outcome) take is that they won't make it. The optimistic take is to say it's ridiculous to say otherwise.

As much as Ace and Doak get hated on here, having their opinions requires more conviction and more backing up than others. People have posted on here for over a decade without ever having a unique take - and while that's fine - it is just easy.

I challenge anybody on here to try and understand the points of view regarding why others doubt Kevyn Adams actions as much as you may praise them. If you're unable to criticize one thing he's done or have doubts about any aspect of this team right now then you're being blinded by homerism.
 
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RefsIdeas said:
Here's an example: if I say that Topias Leinonen and Mats Lindgren are looking like poor draft choices - if your first thought is something along the lines of "that's ridiculous, those kids are 18, and goalies take forever to develop, how could you say something like that etc etc" - you're being overly optimistic.
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Not a fan of Leinonen's pick, although Lindgren was ranked in the third or even second round, so I don't know why he could be a bad pick in the first place. But the draft is a bad example, it really can only be found out in the future. Everyone has their own list of favorites, and Adams also has scouts and analysts. I actually really liked Adams' drafts over the years (apart from some individual picks). Although I also criticized him last summer that we need a good goalie and a top 4 D.
 
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RefsIdeas said:
In regards to some of the previous comments in this thread regarding receipts and whatnot - I wanted say this:

It's much easier to be an optimistic fan than a pessimistic fan. If I praise every move the Sabres make, I'll get plenty of "likes" on the posts and generally receive favorable responses to my replies. If you don't think a move is going to pan out - other fans are going to challenge you on your point and force you to back it up as much as possible (and still probably not agree).

I've lurked on this portion of the board for 12 years now, and I still vividly remember posts prior to 2013 - 2014 wondering if we're actually going to be as bad as people think, or around Christmas in 14-15 when we were inching towards a playoff spot and people thought this team was good enough and didn't need to tank (including by some people that were just dunking on Ace for being off in his post). Point being - fans as a whole tend to be overly optimistic.

Here's an example: if I say that Topias Leinonen and Mats Lindgren are looking like poor draft choices - if your first thought is something along the lines of "that's ridiculous, those kids are 18, and goalies take forever to develop, how could you say something like that etc etc" - you're being overly optimistic. 2nd and 4th round choices turn into an NHL player less than half the time to begin with. You combine that with an uninspiring D+1 campaign, the odds of them making it go down even more. That's not to say there's zero chance they make it, but the odds are not in their favor. The "correct" (read: most probable outcome) take is that they won't make it. The optimistic take is to say it's ridiculous to say otherwise.

As much as Ace and Doak get hated on here, having their opinions requires more conviction and more backing up than others. People have posted on here for over a decade without ever having a unique take - and while that's fine - it is just easy.

I challenge anybody on here to try and understand the points of view regarding why others doubt Kevyn Adams actions as much as you may praise them. If you're unable to criticize one thing he's done or have doubts about any aspect of this team right now then you're being blinded by homerism.
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Bolded is where you lose me.

How much conviction does it take to immediately poo-poo literally everything a GM does up to, and including, situations and background information that you have manufactured in your own mind. "Anders Bjork was traded to Chicago to save money, not to benefit the player". Literally all available data points to that take being incorrect but some people convinced themselves that had to be the case. That's not being nuanced, that's being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

What constitutes a "unique" take? Your view seems to be that positivity is the norm thus making negativity "unique" but I'm not sure what board you've been reading.
 
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WiHockeyGuy said:
Bolded is where you lose me.

How much conviction does it take to immediately poo-poo literally everything a GM does up to, and including, situations and background information that you have manufactured in your own mind. "Anders Bjork was traded to Chicago to save money, not to benefit the player". Literally all available data points to that take being incorrect but some people convinced themselves that had to be the case. That's not being nuanced, that's being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

What constitutes a "unique" take? Your view seems to be that positivity is the norm thus making negativity "unique" but I'm not sure what board you've been reading.
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I don't think anybody on here "poo-poos" every single move. I think even the most pessimistic posters can see the good that KA has done and how the team is set up in a good position moving forward.

I think a unique take is something that is even a little different than what general consensus is. It doesn't mean that you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian - but you have an original thought and can bring it to the table and articulate it well. Maybe it's right and maybe it's not - but I always appreciate a unique viewpoint. Literally anybody can post essentially a regurgitation of general consensus and it'll be received favorably.
 
RefsIdeas said:
As much as Ace and Doak get hated on here, having their opinions requires more conviction and more backing up than others. People have posted on here for over a decade without ever having a unique take - and while that's fine - it is just easy.
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Just had to select this part and say I’m sorry but being a contrarian does not make you unique in the slightest.

There are people on this board that rail on the same things over and over and over and over again the same negative stuff to the point that we had to have an optimism thread.
 
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I don't think anybody on here "poo-poos" every single move. I think even the most pessimistic posters can see the good that KA has done and how the team is set up in a good position moving forward.

I think a unique take is something that is even a little different than what general consensus is. It doesn't mean that you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian - but you have an original thought and can bring it to the table and articulate it well. Maybe it's right and maybe it's not - but I always appreciate a unique viewpoint. Literally anybody can post essentially a regurgitation of general consensus and it'll be received favorably.
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Some get awfully close, if not dead on the nose.

I think redundancy plays a part in this in well. Championing the same two or three points over and over again, in every thread regardless of subject matter, is what drives people from the more negative views.
 
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BuffaloGooner said:
Just had to select this part and say I’m sorry but being a contrarian does not make you unique in the slightest.

There are people on this board that rail on the same things over and over and over and over again the same negative stuff to the point that we had to have an optimism thread.
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That's fair, but if you do have a contrarian take you're required to back it up far more than having a non-contrarian take. You don't have to agree with every word a contrarian says (I don't!) but I do appreciate the thought that goes into it. To me, it's more insightful than somebody saying "yeah good move, can't get enough young talent!" or something along those lines.
 
Does KA still have a job in Buffalo if the Sabres fail to make the playoffs next season?

I think not.
 
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Does KA still have a job in Buffalo if the Sabres fail to make the playoffs next season?

I think not.
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I think the only way that KA is any real danger is if he does quite literally nothing this offseason besides uses all his picks at the draft AND the team takes a tangible step backwards with no injury reasons.

If anything else happens, I think he's safe.

So I'd put the chances at 99% that he's our GM at this point next year.
 
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Zman5778 said:
I think the only way that KA is any real danger is if he does quite literally nothing this offseason besides uses all his picks at the draft AND the team takes a tangible step backwards with no injury reasons.

If anything else happens, I think he's safe.

So I'd put the chances at 99% that he's our GM at this point next year.
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I think the only way he is in trouble is if he fails to follow orders from above.

Like if he were to spend over budget and miss the playoffs.

Other than that, I doubt ownership is going to give Adams a quick hook like with Murray and Botts.
 
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Zman5778 said:
I think the only way that KA is any real danger is if he does quite literally nothing this offseason besides uses all his picks at the draft AND the team takes a tangible step backwards with no injury reasons.

If anything else happens, I think he's safe.

So I'd put the chances at 99% that he's our GM at this point next year.
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The pressure to make the playoffs next year is going to be intense. The mood in Buffalo will turn very ugly very quickly if the streak extends to 13 seasons, especially after missing this post season by one lousy point. Heads will roll, and Adams represents the most likely target, along with his coach. Not wishing it obviously but I don't think his position is as secure as some think if the results are not there.
 
slip said:
The pressure to make the playoffs next year is going to be intense. The mood in Buffalo will turn very ugly very quickly if the streak extends to 13 seasons, especially after missing this post season by one lousy point. Heads will roll, and Adams represents the most likely target, along with his coach. Not wishing it obviously but I don't think his position is as secure as some think if the results are not there.
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Perceived pressure likely only impacts ownership that is in town and readily available to the press and public.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Only by the fans. I don't see Pegula exerting that kind of pressure unless something seriously goes awry.
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Murray got the hook reportedly for "culture issues" and Botts got the hook reportedly for refusing to follow orders and lay people off.

Neither one was let go for a lack of winning.

Adams and Granato have the vibes at a high level. And Adams was hired because he worked well with ownership and he followed orders early on in his tenure.

A loud portion of the fanbase and media will want "accountability" if they miss the playoffs. But, I doubt Adams gets fired unless something unforeseen beyond just missing the playoffs in 23-24. I also think that Granato is pretty safe, as well. Especially if Adams does nothing this off season in goal and that is a big reason they miss, again.
 
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