Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Diaspora]

You didn’t really address what I was talking about. Which was the age restriction for acquisitions last season. It’s why we were going to have to part with Savoie or Kulich if we wanted to acquire a top 4 dman. The pool of options was basically just Chychrun.

If the age restriction is gone, then the pool of trade options expands quite a bit and free agency is now in the mix. All of that comes with a wide range of prices. Which makes it far more likely he finds a price he likes. Which is why it being gone is more important than whether or not he’s willing to give up a Savoie/Kulich.

Removing the age restriction also doesn’t prevent Adams from doing what you suggest above. I actually expect most of what you said to be the case.

I hear what you're saying and I agree about a lot of it.

I think there's a psychological aspect that needs to be considered as well. That being, you can't take a room full of 23-year-olds and just drop any random guy ten years older at a different stage of life and career into the mix and have it work out. Okposo and Andy had the kind of character to make it work, but not everyone will. I think it would be hard to find someone who has been "the guy" for a while and still playing at a high level who can transition to being supporter/mentor/contributor behind Dahlin, Sammy and OP.

Not every young guy would work out either. But at least you have opportunity to shape their professional experience and outlook rather than accepting the 33-year-old as they are.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Can I look at it as a problem due to what the GM of the team wasn‘t trying to accomplish? Or is that not allowed either?

He underestimated his team, threw away goaltending completely and preaches development while letting his key rookie drag a terrible partner around with him and being completely overused.

You can look at it how you want. I’ll deal with reality. The reality of what he was trying to accomplish last year. All 17 plus million dollars saved of it.

This is the ultimate revisionist history from what you were saying last off-season. Adams didn’t underestimate anything, his plan worked and his young core developed to the point it almost carried us to the playoffs and made us competitive again. You posted approximately 8 thousand times about how his lack of action would make us bad last year. You underestimated the team

 

[TehDoak]

Do you think super rich Tom Golisano would not have done the same thing? Or do you truly believe billionaires operate out of the goodness of they're hearts? No he would likely have done the same thing as it was the right call for the business. Sabres are not the Bills when it comes to generating money.

Golisano never stood in front of the press and the fandom and said there would be no limits on spending on the front office and roster. Terry did. That's the difference. The Pegulas set expectations very publicly. And no, they don't operate out of the goodness of their hearts. But, let's be frank. It would have cost them very little in comparison to their wealth to keep full employment at the Sabres front office and they didn't. They showed us who they really were.

 

[joshjull]

Even if you remove the age restriction, there really weren't a lot of options if you also keep the team control beyond 22-23 restriction in there as well.

Adams was not in the market for pure rentals. So, if you remove age as a factor, but keep team control as one, then you go from Chychrun to Chychrun & Ekholm, right?

And while I would have loved Ekholm as a trade acquisition even more than Chychrun, topping what Edmonton gave up for him was not a price that Adams would consider giving up. And honestly, I don't know that I would have wanted the Sabres to top that package as the Oilers gave up a haul for him.

I’m not talking about last year. I’m talking about from today going forward and what they might do to add dmen.

If that restriction is no longer there. That opens up a lot more options to add a dman

 

[joshjull]

Can I look at it as a problem due to what the GM of the team wasn‘t trying to accomplish? Or is that not allowed either?

He underestimated his team, threw away goaltending completely and preaches development while letting his key rookie drag a terrible partner around with him and being completely overused.

You can look at it how you want. I’ll deal with reality. The reality of what he was trying to accomplish last year. All 17 plus million dollars saved of it.

Reality? Sure we can look at that.

Your reality last summer about the coming season;

1) we would finish last/draft at the top
2) We set ourselves 2yrs behind Wings/Sens
3) We’re 3 to 4 years away
4) Not getting a starting goalie prevents us from developing youngsters/ they won’t have confidence due to constantly getting scored on. (That take actually started in the 2021 offseason)

Everyone knows you made these arguments because you made them a lot and with vigor. That makes your current attempt to pretend you didn’t quite baffling. Do you think you’re fooling anyone?

You were wrong about how Adams plan would play out. Who cares? Everyone is wrong on here from time to time. I’ve eaten crow plenty of times. Just take the L and move on. I’ve seen enough of your non-Adams related posts to know you’re smart and insightful contributor. So why waste your energy with is nonsense?

It’s gotten so silly that you’re actually attacking how they handled Power’s development. The guy who is currently one of the three finalists for rookie of the year. I mean come on.

 

[Fjordy]

It’s gotten so silly that you’re actually attacking how they handled Power’s development. The guy who is one of the three finalists for rookie of the year. I mean come on.

Well, Adams really could have found a partner for Power, and Marino was there, in our clutches, but...

 

[joshjull]

Well, Adams really could have found a partner for Power, and Marino was there, in our clutches, but...

Powers development is one thing. Who any of us would like to partner with him is another. If he’s currently one of the three finalists for rookie of the year. His first year of development went very well, even if you wish he had a different partner.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

 

[Dingo44]

Why would they hire Karmanos when they can have Chiarelli?

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Why would they hire Karmanos when they can have Chiarelli?

I agree. If any Penguins execs are listening, Chiarelli is a slam dunk. How do you turn down the architect of a Stanley Cup Winner?

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I think I would like this better as well.

 

[Chainshot]

I think I would like this better as well.

Or move Adams to PoHo above Karmanos and make him GM.

 

[Fjordy]

They cannot lose Karmanos. Please no.

 

[joshjull]

 

[Fjordy]

Karmanos - POHO
Ventura - GM

 

[TehDoak]

Yeah I'm not that concerned about anyone from our front office leaving.

Just bring back Regier to sit and watch the years pass by without addressing any issues, it'll be like old times. Maybe some rocking chairs and lemonade for those 'sit on your hand summers' where you just let the scouts do the draft work and you just bring back the same gang that disappointed you the last year hoping it'll be different this time.

 

[BuffaloGooner]

Yeah I'm not that concerned about anyone from our front office leaving.

Just bring back Regier to sit and watch the years pass by without addressing any issues, it'll be like old times. Maybe some rocking chairs and lemonade for those 'sit on your hand summers' where you just let the scouts do the draft work and you just bring back the same gang that disappointed you the last year hoping it'll be different this time.

My God man, log off for a bit.

 

[Chainshot]

Karmanos - POHO
Ventura - GM

Interesting to note Botterill not in round 2 but his old assistant GM is.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Interesting to note Botterill not in round 2 but his old assistant GM is.

I think there was a situation.

 

[TehDoak]

Interesting to note Botterill not in round 2 but his old assistant GM is.

I think there was a situation.

....Their fitted hats only go up to size 8.

 

[Chainshot]

I think there was a situation.

I await the angry article from Yohe in the Athletic. That guy is Botts' handler in the press - he did nothing wrong in Buffalo, it's all Pegula's fault, etc....

 

[Irie]

Wasn't Karmanos unceremoniously fired by Pit not too long ago?

This feels like the guy who gets dumped by a girl and then crawls back at her first text.

Have some self-respect man!

 

[Dingo44]

Wasn't Karmanos unceremoniously fired by Pit not too long ago?

This feels like the guy who gets dumped by a girl and then crawls back at her first text.

Have some self-respect man!

It's like when SNL fired Norm Macdonald and then had him host the show a year later.

 

[HOOats]

[Admittedly riding high on the Amerk-wagon]

Not that it's news, but more and more Adams' front office - from scouts to analytics to shot callers - deserves immense credit for this current crop of prospects. Yes, we've had pick riches and there's always luck involved, but it's unreal to make 22 picks over two drafts and have everyone trending up except Leinonen, a few late round Swedes, (and maybe Sardaryan). Of course they won't all make it, but stepping back and taking stock, it's remarkable.

Combine that with Appert, his Rochester staff, and the org development staff seeming to have positive influence on all the guys they get their hands on...I don't think we could ask for a better development setup at the moment. And that's before mentioning Granato's reputation for development.

PS If Karmanos = Norm, we are in very, very good hands.

 

[Sabre Dance]

[Admittedly riding high on the Amerk-wagon]

Not that it's news, but more and more Adams' front office - from scouts to analytics to shot callers - deserves immense credit for this current crop of prospects. Yes, we've had pick riches and there's always luck involved, but it's unreal to make 22 picks over two drafts and have everyone trending up except Leinonen, a few late round Swedes, (and maybe Sardaryan). Of course they won't all make it, but stepping back and taking stock, it's remarkable.

Combine that with Appert, his Rochester staff, and the org development staff seeming to have positive influence on all the guys they get their hands on...I don't think we could ask for a better development setup at the moment. And that's before mentioning Granato's reputation for development.

PS If Karmanos = Norm, we are in very, very good hands.

The development of prospects has been outstanding.