Speculation: The search for a new Head Coach - Rumors and Speculation

[dracom]

If the article linked is true and Q is being honest, he apparently didn't fully know what was going on. The fact he had an inkling and did nothing with that info is concerning. But you have to believe our upper management did a lot of sleuthing and potentially have info we don't right?

i mean did they? they fired cronin not that long ago and and already came to a decision on Q? i cant' imagine they did all that much sleuthing if that's the case.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

Also, I’m not saying this isn’t true, but the report from the source I quoted seems unbelievably vague. If he was supposedly offered the job last week and it’s his if he wants it, why hasn’t he taken it? Are they haggling over contractual details? Does he have reported offers and/or interviews from other teams (you would think if one of the big market teams in this country like the Rangers decided they wanted to take a shot at someone as high-profile as Quenneville that it would be plastered all over the Internet).

I know the Ducks traditionally move in silence, but there seems to be way too little smoke around a move of this magnitude coming from basically everywhere.

EDIT: I just saw the Seravalli tweet from @MMC (one of the rare instances I’m actually rooting for Frank to be right, thank god) and @dracom above me abbreviated my thoughts in about 2 sentences

 

[AngelDuck]

Just such a risky move with the other candidates that are out there still.

I sure hope we’re not done interviewing other candidates…

I just can’t believe Henry Samueli would okay this move. I’m stunned.

On the ice it’s an amazing move. This guy is one of the best coaches of all time. I’m a little worried about his age though

 

[Unholy]

Wanted this to seem like a long process but now just want these other interviews to come out asap. If this was just so it seems like PV is doing his due diligence and interviewing as many candidates as possible because of its importance then whatever

 

[dracom]

for once I want to believe Frank. My only hope is that the org leaked the info to judge how people would respond to the idea.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Well if Q has been interviewed already it seems like the coaching search in general is well underway. Will have someone by the draft but probably well before

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

To me the damning parts:
Regardless of when Cheveldayoff believed the meeting occurred, Cheveldayoff recalled being in a meeting in McDonough’s office regarding Aldrich with others in senior management, including McDonough, Bowman, MacIsaac, and Quenneville. He recalled the group was told that there were allegations that Aldrich was socializing with players outside the arena, Aldrich sent inappropriate texts to players, and Aldrich made unwanted advances on players. Cheveldayoff recalled that John Doe and Black Ace 1 were specifically referenced during the meeting.

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Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they could not deal with this issue now

And apparently there was a follow up phone call between Q and the confidant. So he was well aware of what was going on.

Aldrich was socializing with players outside the arena, Aldrich sent inappropriate texts to players, and Aldrich made unwanted advances on players

That isn’t the same as knowing rape is going on.

Edit: not to say that he shouldn’t have been fired. But as coach in the playoffs if I heard some video assistant was making unwanted advances towards players I would be like f*** this someone else deal with this.

Different story if he knew he was raping players.

 

[Mr Rogers]

for once I want to believe Frank. My only hope is that the org leaked the info to judge how people would respond to the idea.

Hmm. I think that’s pretty much known without having to test the waters

 

[BringBackTheIceman]

It would be impossible for Quenneville to expect accountability from players both on and off the ice when the only time he had the opportunity to take accountability for something that actually mattered he blinked.

 

[Frosted Tips]

Even if you put everything else aside about Q, 4 years out of coaching is a long time.

 

[Kalv]

Man, now I have to hope Serevalli is right. How times change

 

[JAHV]

Aldrich was socializing with players outside the arena, Aldrich sent inappropriate texts to players, and Aldrich made unwanted advances on players

That isn’t the same as knowing rape is going on.

It doesn't need to be. If you know the bolded is going on, you act immediately by getting Aldrich away from players and making sure you have all of the necessary information to report what needs to be reported to authorities. You don't brush it off.

 

[FiveTacos]

Aldrich was socializing with players outside the arena, Aldrich sent inappropriate texts to players, and Aldrich made unwanted advances on players

That isn’t the same as knowing rape is going on.

But it is a direct underling on his staff, whose employment is directly tied to him, and at least one player he coaches, whose well-being should matter to him, especially with regards to his well being when being around a member of HIS coaching staff.

If you don't think the only appropriate first response isn't, "we need to deal with this NOW" then ... well I don't know what to tell you. At minimum, that's not a guy I believe should be coaching anything above a beer league team.

 

[gilfaizon]

Could this be PVs plan to hire an elite coach at discounted rate because we are notoriously cheap with our coaching hires? I wonder what players/agents in the league think of JQ at this point, and whether that would dissuade potential FA's.

 

[LuGBuG]

My opinion on Quennville is he made an absolute boneheaded choice and deserved consequences.

Saying that…. He reported it to his superiors. Multiple people in management discussed it and made an awful decision. The biggest question for me is if he knew how it was being handled or if he reported it and went back to his job expecting things to be dealt with. Either way once he discovered it wasn’t being handled the way it should have been he should been pushing the issue to be fixed.

I’d like to hear more of his perspective of it. I’d like to know his thoughts since. What he’s done since.

He’s probably perfect coach for this team if it wasn’t all this questionable actions and baggage.

 

[Static]

Perversely, I think that hiring Quenneville would actually improve our standing with the league establishment.

I was going to say, within the hockey world we would gain respect, sadly.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

My opinion on Quennville is he made an absolute boneheaded choice and deserved consequences.

Saying that…. He reported it to his superiors. Multiple people in management discussed it and made an awful decision. The biggest question for me is if he knew how it was being handled or if he reported it and went back to his job expecting things to be dealt with. Either way once he discovered it wasn’t being handled the way it should have been he should been pushing the issue to be fixed.

I’d like to hear more of his perspective of it. I’d like to know his thoughts since. What he’s done since.

He’s probably perfect coach for this team if it wasn’t all this questionable actions and baggage.

Not good enough. If you get an accusation THAT serious, that’s something that rightly or wrongly should be reported to authorities to launch an official investigation immediately.

Also, he was not a rookie noob or a second-year guy; he was arguably the most high-profile coach in the sport with enough influence to sway public opinion. In my eyes, he’s just as culpable (if not moreso, given he’s the every day public-facing member of the organization), which is why Stan Bowman being allowed to return was met with such disgust and John McDonough will probably never hold a high-level executive position in sports again in spite of his track record.

EDIT: I just saw the end of your second paragraph. Sounds like we’re on the same page

 

[AngelDuck]

Bowman and Chevyldyeoff returning to hockey is far more egregious to me than Q; however, they all should probably be moving onto a different career at this point in their lives.

 

[la patineuse]

It doesn't need to be. If you know the bolded is going on, you act immediately by getting Aldrich away from players and making sure you have all of the necessary information to report what needs to be reported to authorities. You don't brush it off.

And when you have more information, you don’t let the person in question resign and give him a severance package and who knows what else like maybe a good reference. After Aldrich left the Blackhawks, he was coaching hockey at a Michigan high school where he later sexually assaulted one of the players and pleaded guilty to fourth degree sexual assault. If the high school knew about why Aldrich left the Blackhawks, there’s no way he would have been allowed near their team.

 

[Mr Rogers]

My opinion on Quennville is he made an absolute boneheaded choice and deserved consequences.

Saying that…. He reported it to his superiors. Multiple people in management discussed it and made an awful decision. The biggest question for me is if he knew how it was being handled or if he reported it and went back to his job expecting things to be dealt with. Either way once he discovered it wasn’t being handled the way it should have been he should been pushing the issue to be fixed.

I’d like to hear more of his perspective of it. I’d like to know his thoughts since. What he’s done since.

He’s probably perfect coach for this team if it wasn’t all this questionable actions and baggage.

This is so true. And while Q didn’t do the right thing, it’s odd how much more heat he gets from the public than the guys truly in charge and who had the authority to fire the guy. Bowman and Cheveldayoff get nowhere near the flack Q does, Chev and SB are still the GM of a team for Christ’s sake.

 

[ohcomeonref]

i mean did they? they fired cronin not that long ago and and already came to a decision on Q? i cant' imagine they did all that much sleuthing if that's the case.

I would hope the investigation pre-dates firing Cro but I have no idea

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

Well there are multiple different interpretations with which you can take this tweet. I know which one I’m choosing

 

[FiveTacos]

My opinion on Quennville is he made an absolute boneheaded choice and deserved consequences.

Saying that…. He reported it to his superiors.

No, it was reported TO him AND to his superiors. And the report made it clear that his primary interest was in having it go away so he could focus on hockey.

This is so true. And while Q didn’t do the right thing, it’s odd how much more heat he gets from the public than the guys truly in charge and who had the authority to fire the guy. Bowman and Cheveldayoff get nowhere near the flack Q does, Chev and SB are still the GM of a team for Christ’s sake.

Bowman's hiring generated quite a bit of heat. Didn't one of the brass even pre emptively hide from social media? He knew how bad it looked. Many people, including quite a few Oil fans, were not happy.
Chevy at least had the excuse of being low on the totem pole at the time ... But Bowman and Q both had the authority to do something. At the very least isolate the dude until an investigation (that never happened) was done.

The idea that a high profile coach could not at minimum re-assign a video coach to not have direct player contact, just defies belief.

 

[JAHV]

This is so true. And while Q didn’t do the right thing, it’s odd how much more heat he gets from the public than the guys truly in charge and who had the authority to fire the guy. Bowman and Cheveldayoff get nowhere near the flack Q does, Chev and SB are still the GM of a team for Christ’s sake.

I don't think it's odd that Quenneville gets the most criticism - has the head coach, he was the most public-facing of the guys who were part of that management structure. Bowman also got a significant amount of criticism and I don't think he should have been allowed back either.

I do agree the lack of consequences for Cheveldayoff is odd. He just kind of kept his head down in Winnipeg and got ignored.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

It doesn't need to be. If you know the bolded is going on, you act immediately by getting Aldrich away from players and making sure you have all of the necessary information to report what needs to be reported to authorities. You don't brush it off.

But is that even Q’s job ? The entire upper brass was there, did he say he doesn’t care, keep Aldrich on, do we know Aldrich wasn’t told to keep away from players / players told to keep away from Aldrich…. He did not return the next season.

Was it as simple, you guys figure this shit out I’ve got a team to coach (this shit is above my pay grade). Or was it, I don’t care about this creep doing these things, let him continue we gotta win. Like that quote doesn’t tell the whole story without context.

Like should Patrick Kane be allowed to play hockey still if he knew about it ?