Kevyn Adams GM thread

[joshjull]

 

[Ace]

Go to Pitt Dubas. Do it for everyone.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I know it's 1 of 32 jobs but wonder if karmanos would even want to go back to Pitt?

 

[Weltschmerz]

I know it's 1 of 32 jobs but wonder if karmanos would even want to go back to Pitt?

If he didn't want why would he interview?

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Not to burn any bridges in the Old Boys club

 

[Dirty Dog]

Yeah I'm not that concerned about anyone from our front office leaving.

Just bring back Regier to sit and watch the years pass by without addressing any issues, it'll be like old times. Maybe some rocking chairs and lemonade for those 'sit on your hand summers' where you just let the scouts do the draft work and you just bring back the same gang that disappointed you the last year hoping it'll be different this time.

When has this regime done that? Oh they haven’t, cool

 

[Ace]

When has this regime done that? Oh they haven’t, cool

Yeah no one knew they were a top 4 D and an NHL quality goalie away from breaking the longest playoff drought in the history of the sport.

Except all the people who knew that, said that, and watched as the man did f***ing nothing

 

[Gras]

Yeah no one knew they were a top 4 D and an NHL quality goalie away from breaking the longest playoff drought in the history of the sport.

Except all the people who knew that, said that, and watched as the man did f***ing nothing

How many of the people who claimed we needed a D and G also thought the team was going to be a bottom 5 team when they finished the offseason signings

 

[BFLO]

How many of the people who claimed we needed a D and G also thought the team was going to be a bottom 5 team when they finished the offseason signings

Not me. I thought we were an 85ish point team, 4th in the Atlantic and just outside the playoffs without a top 4d and a G.

Was it really Ace's position that we were a bottom 5 team without those moves?

 

[joshjull]

Not me. I thought we were an 85ish point team, 4th in the Atlantic and just outside the playoffs without a top 4d and a G.

Was it really Ace's position that we were a bottom 5 team without those moves?

Yes it was. He also said we were behind Sens/Wings by 2yrs and 3/4yrs away.

 

[Ace]

Yes it was. He also said we were behind Sens/Wings by 2yrs and 3/4yrs away.

are you f***ing kidding me?

I WAS THE ONE YELLING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE A YEAR BEHIND THOSE TEAMS AFTER FINISHING AHEAD OF THEM WAS BULLSHIT

I WAS THE ONE YELLING THAT THE ONLY THING KEEPING US FROM THE PLAYOFFS WAS ADAMS INACTION IN GOAL AND DEFENSE

Youve got to be f***ing kidding me

I said we wouldnt make it because Adams did nothing. He did and we didn’t.

I said that punting on goal (AGAIN), which people defended because we were a year behind Detroit and Ottawa was a f***ing joke. Because it was. And we weren’t.

I get that some people here have taken indefensible positions of accepting failure and rationalizing this organizations mistakes…but to twist it around on someone who called it exactly f***ing as it happened…bullshit.

BULLSHIT

 

[Ace]

I was banging the table for a d and a goalie BECAUSE I SAID THEY WERENT STARTING BEHIND THOSE TEAMS. And despite Adams best efforts to put them there…we still f***ing aren’t. Can we make moves now? Or are we still going to come up with excuses and smile as they waste cap space and pile up redundant assets? And then…when it doesn’t work again we can turn around and pretend I said the f***ing opposite?

what an absolute lie. Shame on you

 

[BFLO]

Yes it was. He also said we were behind Sens/Wings by 2yrs and 3/4yrs away.

Do you have receipts?

are you f***ing kidding me?

I WAS THE ONE YELLING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE A YEAR BEHIND THOSE TEAMS AFTER FINISHING AHEAD OF THEM WAS BULLSHIT

I WAS THE ONE YELLING THAT THE ONLY THING KEEPING US FROM THE PLAYOFFS WAS ADAMS INACTION IN GOAL AND DEFENSE

Youve got to be f***ing kidding me

I said we wouldnt make it because Adams did nothing. He did and we didn’t.

I said that punting on goal (AGAIN), which people defended because we were a year behind Detroit and Ottawa was a f***ing joke. Because it was. And we weren’t.

I get that some people here have taken indefensible positions of accepting failure and rationalizing this organizations mistakes…but to twist it around on someone who called it exactly f***ing as it happened…bullshit.

BULLSHIT

That's how I remember it.

 

[joshjull]

Do you have receipts?


That's how I remember it.

From the Free Agency thread last summer…. (The two bolded parts in particular)

I will bet on teams prospects developing better when they’re surrounded by better players and a team is pushing for improvement instead of hoping for it every time. Ottawa and Detroit have young players too. And they went out and insulated and complimented them. Adams says our improvement will come from young players finding their next level. I will bet on Ottawa and Detroit’s players finding it first. This team is going to finish at the bottom. And then all the vibes and all the room and all the buy in will be tested and they’ll have wasted a year where they could add NHL talent with their comical amount of assets and money. But Adams seems to be under the impression that the way to develop players is to not make them compete for jobs and surround them with other young players. Development is not a straight line. There will be ups and downs and steps back for long stretches. And without the roster improvements to offset it…we’re going to be in trouble. And the kids are going to be in trouble too.

and I would be more understanding of it if they used their giant amount of cap space to buy assets from teams needing to move money out. Because at least that’s something positive happening while you are sitting in neutral for a year. At least there would be some long term positive in it. But we can’t do that either. Because we can’t do anything but nothing. That’s the plan this year. Nothing. Kids earned some hope last year? Too bad…you get nothing.

Whats going to happen kicking every can down the road is a step back…we are going to be farther away. We are going to be sitting here in one year at the start of free agency really excited about that top draft pick and thinking about how far away we are from being competitive for a playoff spot. And that will be year 4 of this plan.

This plan is missing hugely important parts. Using assets to improve the roster, and spending money to acquire those assets. You can’t pick neither as a path. They’ve chosen neither.

Thats the same thread he said….

*We’re 2 years behind Det/Ott
*We’re about 3 to 4 years away
*We’re going to fall flat on our face this season


He was going off as the Wings/Sens made moves at the beginning of free agency.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

From the Free Agency thread last summer…. (The two bolded parts in particular)

From the Free Agency thread last summer…. (The two bolded parts in particular)


Thats the same thread he said….

*We’re 2 years behind Det/Ott
*We’re about 3 to 4 years away
*We’re going to fall flat on our face this season


He was going off in as the Wings/Sens made moves at the beginning of free agency.

 

[Dirty Dog]

From the Free Agency thread last summer…. (The two bolded parts in particular)


Thats the same thread he said….

*We’re 2 years behind Det/Ott
*We’re about 3 to 4 years away
*We’re going to fall flat on our face this season


He was going off as the Wings/Sens made moves at the beginning of free agency.

It’s ridiculous revisionism. KA’s plan actually worked last year. Our young core carried this team to relevancy and the future is bright.

are you f***ing kidding me?

I WAS THE ONE YELLING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE A YEAR BEHIND THOSE TEAMS AFTER FINISHING AHEAD OF THEM WAS BULLSHIT

I WAS THE ONE YELLING THAT THE ONLY THING KEEPING US FROM THE PLAYOFFS WAS ADAMS INACTION IN GOAL AND DEFENSE

Youve got to be f***ing kidding me

I said we wouldnt make it because Adams did nothing. He did and we didn’t.

I said that punting on goal (AGAIN), which people defended because we were a year behind Detroit and Ottawa was a f***ing joke. Because it was. And we weren’t.

I get that some people here have taken indefensible positions of accepting failure and rationalizing this organizations mistakes…but to twist it around on someone who called it exactly f***ing as it happened…bullshit.

BULLSHIT

It’s so easy to find a post stating the opposite of this because you made 1,000 of them last summer. But I see someone has already found one post, probably best to stop denying and everyone move on

 

[joshjull]

are you f***ing kidding me?

I WAS THE ONE YELLING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE A YEAR BEHIND THOSE TEAMS AFTER FINISHING AHEAD OF THEM WAS BULLSHIT

I WAS THE ONE YELLING THAT THE ONLY THING KEEPING US FROM THE PLAYOFFS WAS ADAMS INACTION IN GOAL AND DEFENSE

Youve got to be f***ing kidding me

I said we wouldnt make it because Adams did nothing. He did and we didn’t.

I said that punting on goal (AGAIN), which people defended because we were a year behind Detroit and Ottawa was a f***ing joke. Because it was. And we weren’t.

I get that some people here have taken indefensible positions of accepting failure and rationalizing this organizations mistakes…but to twist it around on someone who called it exactly f***ing as it happened…bullshit.

BULLSHIT

Some more quotes I only looked up because you’re accusing me of lying. It’s just a small sample of the many posts you made all summer with the same theme.


In response to the JVR rumors.

Everyone is looking at it backwards. They’re looking at another winger because they can’t find a goalie and top 4 rhd.

Theyre thinking about adding an asset to take a contract on in another year where they won’t be competing for a playoff spot

Reacting to the Wings/Sens moves

Do I have to accept that I’m two years behind two teams I outplayed down the stretch last year when I already have a deeper and better prospect pool than both?

this is a thing I have to take as fact?

That goal differential is what happens when you spend two months getting run out of buildings because your 4th and 5th goalies cant keep less than 5 pucks out of your net.

If we weren’t two years behind them before this off-season…this off-season has put us there

That’s a hopeful 1/2 years.

With the plan at goal I’d say a conservative 3/4

You know what development is? It’s pushing forward and playing more meaningful games and winning more. Keeping your foot on the brake with all these assets and all this cap space so teams can blow by you is not development. It’s stagnation.

I think we need another move to add cap so we can make moves at the deadline. If this season ends up with us in second last place in the division guys like Girgensons, Okposo and Hinostroza should be moved. God knows they won’t be because we hate getting assets at the deadline or by utilizing cap space…but they should be. Olofsson I think is a goner as soon as this deadline and as late as next one. But I hope to be competitive next year after predictably falling on our face this year. I mean I guess I hope that will lead to the least bit of desire to try and improve the roster but maybe this is one of those rebuilds that we never do that and wonder why it didn’t work. Too early to tell. but getting later.

 

[Gabrielor]

Oof. Receipts.

It's alright. I was aghast at the Josh Allen pick in 2018.

Then I gave up even attempting to understand NFL drafting. I'm sticking to hockey.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Some more quotes I looked up because you’re accusing me of lying. Its just a small sample of the many posts you made all summer with the same theme.


In response to the JVR rumors.

Reacting to the Wings/Sens moves

STOP! For some reasons those takes annoy me just as much as they did a year ago. Let me relax on this day of our Lord (Levi)!

Oof. Receipts.

It's alright. I was aghast at the Josh Allen pick in 2018.

Then I gave up even attempting to understand NFL drafting. I'm sticking to hockey.

I have been wrong as much as anyone! We’re all wrong constantly haha. But we gotta own them

 

[Diaspora]

Yeh. Gotta own it.

If you're right 30% of the time, you're a Hall-of-Famer. I'm expecting to be taken out for a pinch-hitter any day now.

There's days my wife is ready to put me on waivers. But then I'll drive in a few RBIs or hang in the box for a high-heater off the noggin, and I'm back in the lineup.

What were we talking about?

 

[Gras]

Some more quotes I only looked up because you’re accusing me of lying. It’s just a small sample of the many posts you made all summer with the same theme.


In response to the JVR rumors.

Reacting to the Wings/Sens moves

Glad I could set you up so you could knock it out.

 

[TehDoak]

I would have zero issues bringing in Dubas as a president of hockey ops or as GM and promoting Adams up the ladder and letting Dubas be the GM. Someone who is competent at the day to day and in touch with the teams needs and managing the cap. The issue is the leafs is their best players aren't their best players in the playoffs, not that Dubas did a bad job adding. His biggest sin is that Tavares contract and that was signed with the assumption of continuous cap growth. It's the right kind of focused aggression we could use to be honest.

The Pegulas and Adams aren't going to do that as Dubas will want carte blanche to do what he wants, but it would be a smart move, especially if Karmanos leaves.

 

[Dubi Doo]

How many of the people who claimed we needed a D and G also thought the team was going to be a bottom 5 team when they finished the offseason signings

How many would've signed Campbell to a long term deal?

STOP! For some reasons those takes annoy me just as much as they did a year ago. Let me relax on this day of our Lord (Levi)!



I have been wrong as much as anyone! We’re all wrong constantly haha. But we gotta own them

That's what kills me when posters are so aggressive and arrogant. We've all had terrible takes. Humble yourselves!

 

[Fjordy]

I would have zero issues bringing in Dubas as a president of hockey ops or as GM and promoting Adams up the ladder and letting Dubas be the GM. Someone who is competent at the day to day and in touch with the teams needs and managing the cap. The issue is the leafs is their best players aren't their best players in the playoffs, not that Dubas did a bad job adding. His biggest sin is that Tavares contract and that was signed with the assumption of continuous cap growth. It's the right kind of focused aggression we could use to be honest.

The Pegulas and Adams aren't going to do that as Dubas will want carte blanche to do what he wants, but it would be a smart move, especially if Karmanos leaves.

I don't really trust Dubas. I would then call Tulsky or promote Ventura.

 

[Chainshot]

I would have zero issues bringing in Dubas as a president of hockey ops or as GM and promoting Adams up the ladder and letting Dubas be the GM. Someone who is competent at the day to day and in touch with the teams needs and managing the cap. The issue is the leafs is their best players aren't their best players in the playoffs, not that Dubas did a bad job adding. His biggest sin is that Tavares contract and that was signed with the assumption of continuous cap growth. It's the right kind of focused aggression we could use to be honest.

The Pegulas and Adams aren't going to do that as Dubas will want carte blanche to do what he wants, but it would be a smart move, especially if Karmanos leaves.

Dubas is the one who signed the Tavares deal. He's the one who gave Matthews and Marner their deals - not getting 8 years for AM and paying more than he probably needed to for MM. That wasn't Shanaplanning, that Dubas. For the things he's done well - finding lesser lights to plug into his lineup like Hyman and Bunting say, he gave back with how he structured his cap expenditures.