Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Beef Invictus]

Jones’ idea of analytics is hits/60.

I also like how they said the quiet part out loud. Keith Jones will have a sizable voice regarding the roster, analytics usage, etc.

They're in a place where Milbury would be an upgrade. An amazing thing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s not even that. How many millennials and zoomers have seen the Flyers be the Flyers? Because they’re the people you need to become STH’s, not people who fondly remember the heroes of the 80’s.

If you're born after '87 your memory of the 90s teams is vague at best.

And after that, there's mostly incompetence as the league left them in the dust. Just one period of a few years at the start of last decade before their refusal to face the reality of the cap caught them.

 

[deadhead]

Have you notice not a peep out of, or mention of, the Advisors.
Sure, Hilferty genuflected toward the past Flyers in general, but "collaboration" is between business and ops, not between management and advisors.
And Jones and Trots will have input, but it was made clear that Briere is the decision maker.

 

[GKJ]

If you're born after '87 your memory of the 90s teams is vague at best.

And after that, there's mostly incompetence as the league left them in the dust. Just one period of a few years at the start of last decade before their refusal to face the reality of the cap caught them.

There’s people, here, on Twitter, who don’t remember when franchise dysfunction didn’t reveal itself until May or June.

 

[Tripod]

Or they could actually be a tiny bit competent and go into the interview process open minded, willing to gather outside perspectives on their franchise, possibly put together a shortlist of good candidates for other roles that might come up in the future, etetc.

To compare, it's what the Toronto Raptors are doing right now. Interviewing a whole slew of people that gathers info and makes relationships. It's the same thing they did when they fired Casey....and ultimately hired from within with Nurse.

The honest person sees a chance to see what others outside the organization thinks of the organization, players, past ussues, potential future issues, etc...

Of course if you don't care and only want more of the same, why bother. And here we are.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hilferty came across as an easily influenced buffoon.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Shut up Bill. f***ing tool.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

As a child born in the late 70's, I don't remember the BSB's, I remember 80's and 90's Flyers hockey. Those teams could play tough, yes, but they were also very highly skilled. The best d-man we ever had was Mark Howe and he didn't play a bully type game. He was incredible. Tim Kerr, Brian Propp, Dave Poulin, Rick Tocchet, Illka Sinisalo, Pelle Eklund...these were skilled players. In the 90's you had our second best d-man, Eric Desjardins who was amazing and wasn't at all a bully type. You had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, Recchi, Brind'Amour, etc...all highly skilled players. I don't at all have a problem with Flyers hockey from the 80''s, 90's, or 00's because, I'm sorry, it was played with high level skill with a side of toughness. I think people forget how skilled those teams were.

 

[GKJ]

Hilferty came across as an easily influenced buffoon.

He came across as someone who can finally move on and do things he was actually hired to do at Comcast. Let me know if you need anything while I go on vacation, btw my phone will be off.

 

[chadateit]

To compare, it's what the Toronto Raptors are doing right now. Interviewing a whole slew of people that gathers info and makes relationships. It's the same thing they did when they fired Casey....and ultimately hired from within with Nurse.

The honest person sees a chance to see what others outside the organization thinks of the organization, players, past ussues, potential future issues, etc...

Of course if you don't care and only want more of the same, why bother. And here we are.

Yes. This is exactly my issue. I don't even mind the Briere hire in and of itself. What bothers me is that they ignored an absolutely amazing opportunity to get real, expert, outside input into a mountain of different problems the organization is facing, along with player and management evaluations, etc.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Have you notice not a peep out of, or mention of, the Advisors.
Sure, Hilferty genuflected toward the past Flyers in general, but "collaboration" is between business and ops, not between management and advisors.
And Jones and Trots will have input, but it was made clear that Briere is the decision maker.

What do you mean no mention of the advisors? They were constantly referenced holy shit

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

All those people at the press conference think the fan base is stupid and will just blindly accept everything they do. They continue to run this model back they have been doing for far too long. It doesn’t work assholes. It hasn’t worked for a long time.
f***ing Christ. Sell the team

 

[04hockey]

Don't ask me, ask him. It's what he said. He openly admits to having absolutely no understanding of modern offense, and no intention of figuring it out. If you don't understand modern offense, you can't run one. Nor can you hope to defend against it.

You'll learn inevitably that I'm right.

1 Stanley Cup
2 Jack Adams

yeah.....WTF does Torts know ?

 

[Beef Invictus]

As a child born in the late 70's, I don't remember the BSB's, I remember 80's and 90's Flyers hockey. Those teams could play tough, yes, but they were also very highly skilled. The best d-man we ever had was Mark Howe and he didn't play a bully type game. He was incredible. Tim Kerr, Brian Propp, Dave Poulin, Rick Tocchet, Illka Sinisalo, Pelle Eklund...these were skilled players. In the 90's you had our second best d-man, Eric Desjardins who was amazing and wasn't at all a bully type. You had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, Recchi, Brind'Amour, etc...all highly skilled players. I don't at all have a problem with Flyers hockey from the 80''s, 90's, or 00's because, I'm sorry, it was played with high level skill with a side of toughness. I think people forget how skilled those teams were.

Oh we remember. The people who run the team don't. Their version of the past is this delusional bubble where they've forgotten that their natural talent got them wins, but they don't want to acknowledge that. They're certain they didn't win the genetic lottery but just outgrinded everyone through sheer hard work and grit. Something broke after 2010 where they decided they were going to reject skill as a lazy and characterless shortcut.

 

[Beef Invictus]

1 Stanley Cup
2 Jack Adams

yeah.....WTF does Torts know ?

Bylsma has a Jack Adams. It's an award for coaches with fluke goaltending or fluke shooting.

He does not know how the game works anymore. That's what he said when hired and talking about how he'd do things. If you think Torts knows so much, why are you disagreeing with him?

 

[Tripod]

Jones is on TSN....asked what the 7 remaining teams have that the Flyers will strive for.

Answer: they all have good bluelines. In order to win you need that and that's the most important thing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jones is on TSN....asked what the 7 remaining teams have that the Flyers will strive for.

Answer: they all have good bluelines. In order to win you need that and that's the most important thing.

Obsessed with defense. Nothing changes. Things are going to get so much more brutal.

I promise their idea of good blueliners is very bad.

 

[Tripod]

As a child born in the late 70's, I don't remember the BSB's, I remember 80's and 90's Flyers hockey. Those teams could play tough, yes, but they were also very highly skilled. The best d-man we ever had was Mark Howe and he didn't play a bully type game. He was incredible. Tim Kerr, Brian Propp, Dave Poulin, Rick Tocchet, Illka Sinisalo, Pelle Eklund...these were skilled players. In the 90's you had our second best d-man, Eric Desjardins who was amazing and wasn't at all a bully type. You had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, Recchi, Brind'Amour, etc...all highly skilled players. I don't at all have a problem with Flyers hockey from the 80''s, 90's, or 00's because, I'm sorry, it was played with high level skill with a side of toughness. I think people forget how skilled those teams were.

I feel the same way.

Obsessed with defense. Nothing changes. Things are going to get so much more brutal.

I promise their idea of good blueliners is very bad.

Don't worry, I hear Shaw fixes people by Dec 7th

 

[Redpath]

Jones is on TSN....asked what the 7 remaining teams have that the Flyers will strive for.

Answer: they all have good bluelines. In order to win you need that and that's the most important thing.

Here we go again. A decade wasted. It's like we never left 2013.

 

[04hockey]

Jones is on TSN....asked what the 7 remaining teams have that the Flyers will strive for.

Answer: they all have good bluelines. In order to win you need that and that's the most important thing.

Jones is R-I-G-H-T !

 

[deadhead]

As a child born in the late 70's, I don't remember the BSB's, I remember 80's and 90's Flyers hockey. Those teams could play tough, yes, but they were also very highly skilled. The best d-man we ever had was Mark Howe and he didn't play a bully type game. He was incredible. Tim Kerr, Brian Propp, Dave Poulin, Rick Tocchet, Illka Sinisalo, Pelle Eklund...these were skilled players. In the 90's you had our second best d-man, Eric Desjardins who was amazing and wasn't at all a bully type. You had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, Recchi, Brind'Amour, etc...all highly skilled players. I don't at all have a problem with Flyers hockey from the 80''s, 90's, or 00's because, I'm sorry, it was played with high level skill with a side of toughness. I think people forget how skilled those teams were.

Those weren't "figure skater" teams, they had skill but also tough, physical forwards, like most of the best teams in the modern era.

Ideally you want a balance, a few smaller agile playmaker types, some PF with great hands and the cojones to hang out around the blue paint, some puck moving D-men, some big D-men who'll stand up forwards trying to power their way to your net. And so on.

The game hasn't changed THAT much, there's more room for smaller skilled players to operate, but the windows get tighter in the playoffs. Fighting has declined in value, but not winning board battles and maintaining/gaining puck possession. Skating is more important, but a high IQ can compensate to some extent. It's more a matter of a shift in emphasis than a revolution in strategy. Checking forwards are 5-10 lbs lighter but a couple strides faster. Big D-men are a little smaller but more mobile. A few more undersized players are in the league, but the average player is still around 6'1 200.

Average Height and Weight of Hockey Players (NHL 2024)

I've been a collegiate sports performance coach for 20 years. One thing I always felt was effective was showing guys the heights and weights of players at their positions in the pros. It helped give

hortonbarbell.com

forwards 6'1 198
D-men 6'1.5 203

20 players are 6'6+
6 players are 5'8 or shorter

 

[Starat327]

Jones is on TSN....asked what the 7 remaining teams have that the Flyers will strive for.

Answer: they all have good bluelines. In order to win you need that and that's the most important thing.

Name me 2 defenders on the oilers blue line not named Bouchard or Nurse without looking. Lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jones is R-I-G-H-T !

His idea of a good blueline is a collection of 6 Haggs and Ristos. That's loser hockey that will always lose.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Those weren't "figure skater" teams, they had skill but also tough, physical forwards, like most of the best teams in the modern era.

Ideally you want a balance, a few smaller agile playmaker types, some PF with great hands and the cojones to hang out around the blue paint, some puck moving D-men, some big D-men who'll stand up forwards trying to power their way to your net. And so on.

The game hasn't changed THAT much, there's more room for smaller skilled players to operate, but the windows get tighter in the playoffs. Fighting has declined in value, but not winning board battles and maintaining/gaining puck possession. Skating is more important, but a high IQ can compensate to some extent. It's more a matter of a shift in emphasis than a revolution in strategy. Checking forwards are 5-10 lbs lighter but a couple strides faster. Big D-men are a little smaller but more mobile. A few more undersized players are in the league, but the average player is still around 6'1 200.

Average Height and Weight of Hockey Players (NHL 2024)

I've been a collegiate sports performance coach for 20 years. One thing I always felt was effective was showing guys the heights and weights of players at their positions in the pros. It helped give

hortonbarbell.com

forwards 6'1 198
D-men 6'1.5 203

20 players are 6'6+
6 players are 5'8 or shorter

2003 is 20 years ago.

 

[Tripod]

Name me 2 defenders on the oilers blue line not named Bouchard or Nurse without looking. Lol

Some guy like Deslaurier