Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Magua]

Hilferty. He's the CEO. Same way the "owner" always makes the big decisions, like firing a coach with term on his contract.

A President/GM's authority is derived from an owner's grant, when the owner loses confidence, that authority evaporates. Howie may run the Eagles, but only so long as he maintains Lurie's confidence in him.

If Hilferty decides it isn't working, then he may decide to search for a strong President and clean house. Or just replace Briere/Jones/Torts. It's always going to be his call.

But who is above Hilferty? Comcast is annoyingly hands off or trusting in untrustworthy people. Round and round we go. You're starting from the basis of competency. I'm not.

Hilferty is a nearly 70 year old former healthcare executive, with no intimate hockey knowledge besides claiming to hero-worship the Bullies. Why would we trust him to evaluate anything? This is deja vu with Dave Scott. Any hope that he might be at least a savvy executive who could diagnose issues evaporated with this incestuous Jones hire (two firms and Billy King approved!). This was his shot to prove otherwise. He fell flat on his face and then tumbled into a sink hole.

 

[trostol]

Imma give them a chance..but with the caveat that they have a short leash. I need to see that the money is where the mouth is and that they do do a slow burn rebuild or if they continue the evil ways

Sad part is also..unless someone blows them out of the water asking price wise...like 5x what the team is worth...Comcast won't sell

 

[kudymen]

Montreal does that. Seriously. They've passed on coaches and managers because they aren't bilingual enough.

Seriously one of the most notoriously known things in the league for decades. Had no idea someone would question you because of that

The Montreal Canadiens Limit Themselves Due to the Politics of Language

Quebec and the politics that lie within, specifically surrounding language, has created barriers for the hiring process of the Montreal Canadiens.

awinninghabit.com

 

[wankstifier]

How are people falling for the same shit? These idiots don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt because you want them to be your friends.

 

[Beef Invictus]

But who is above Hilferty? Comcast is annoyingly hands off or trusting in untrustworthy people. Round and round we go. You're starting from the basis of competency. I'm not.

Hilferty is a nearly 70 year old former healthcare executive, with no intimate hockey knowledge besides claiming to hero-worship the Bullies. Why would we trust him to evaluate anything? This is deja vu with Dave Scott. Any hope that he might be at least a savvy executive who could diagnose issues evaporated with this incestuous Jones hire (two firms and Billy King approved!). This was his shot to prove otherwise. He fell flat on his face and then tumbled into a sink hole.

He doesn't just claim to hero worship them, he does. Every statement he releases gushes gagworthy praise of the "Titans." And we are supposed to believe he isn't desperate to make them happy and have their approval?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Ok, I'm more certain than ever the advisors get to voice their desires and are taken seriously. Just wrote this out of the blue after cementing a power structure that ensures nobody will remove them and there's nobody between them and Briere, huh?

Yup. Briere and Jones lack experience. They are going to lean on the 3 headed neanderthal.

 

[deadhead]

But who is above Hilferty? Comcast is annoyingly hands off or trusting in untrustworthy people. Round and round we go. You're starting from the basis of competency. I'm not.

Hilferty is a nearly 70 year old former healthcare executive, with no intimate hockey knowledge besides claiming to hero-worship the Bullies. Why would we trust him to evaluate anything? This is deja vu with Dave Scott. Any hope that he might be at least a savvy executive who could diagnose issues evaporated with this incestuous Jones hire (two firms and Billy King approved!). This was his shot to prove otherwise. He fell flat on his face and then tumbled into a sink hole.

You miss the point, the "owner" always makes this decision.

Let's say they hire a strong President and things don't work out, who decides the President has failed, the "owner". And he fires the President for hiring bad people.

In this case it's more direct, Briere succeeds or fails - and you don't have to be a hockey expert to notice in 3-4 years whether the team is younger and more talented - i.e. whether the rebuild is working.

Presidents/GMs whatever the title make some mistakes, Sakic drafted Jost #10. But it's not that hard to determine overall if they're doing a good job.

Look at Hextall, he started strong but by 2018 it was obvious he was spinning his wheels - five years into the only "rebuild" the Flyers have ever allowed the team was neither much younger nor more talented when he started. It shouldn't have taken alienating the advisors to get him fired.

 

[freakydallas13]

Seriously one of the most notoriously known things in the league for decades. Had no idea someone would question you because of that

The Montreal Canadiens Limit Themselves Due to the Politics of Language

Quebec and the politics that lie within, specifically surrounding language, has created barriers for the hiring process of the Montreal Canadiens.

awinninghabit.com

We used to laugh at Montreal for limiting their hires to people who spoke French, but the Flyers refuse to hire anyone not already within shouting distance of the locker room.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere is operating with the bare minimum of support. AGMs are also VPs, there is functionally no president. His coach is apparently his equal whether he wants that or not. He's f***ed. He has no prayer.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Let this be a perfect reminder that the contrarians will defend anything and everything that this franchise does blindly.

This is indefensible. Nothing has changed in a positive manner here. They’re more embarrassing then ever before. There is no plan. There is no vision. There is only “Be A f***ing Flyer.”

I’d rather Chuck Fletcher be GM then a God Emperor Tortorella, Briere, and Keith f***ing Jones led team.

f*** this shit.

I saw the press release they made and came on here to comment that it screams playing down to the plebs. Nothing about analytics, faults, critical thinking, long term planning. Just Torts style work your ass off and be a Flyer. Even throwing the word ass in there because we’re Philly and we have foul mouths and hard noses or whatever.

Then I saw this. This franchise is purely playing to the casual fan and Philly stereotype. The most basic of the basic. Sad thing is it works to some small degree in terms of business.

 

[BiggE]

I still can't believe this is real, and I never will be able to believe it.

 

[deadhead]

I saw the press release they made and came on here to comment that it screams playing down to the plebs. Nothing about analytics, faults, critical thinking, long term planning. Just Torts style work your ass off and be a Flyer. Even throwing the word ass in there because we’re Philly and we have foul mouths and hard noses or whatever.

Then I saw this. This franchise is purely playing to the casual fan and Philly stereotype. The most basic of the basic. Sad thing is it works to some small degree in terms of business.

Isn't that how PR works? You don't market to nerds unless you're selling a product targeted at nerds.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is the press release written almost entirely by ChatGPT, right?

 

[Garbage Goal]

Also, I’m glad the title is worded the way it is, I would’ve legitimately thought it was onion style satire.

There’s no hope for this franchise. I’ll be surprised if they embrace a modern, progressive management style within my lifetime at this point. It’s a damned shame. I thought not winning a Cup in my lifetime and others lifetimes would be a shame. Forget 60 to a 100 years without a Cup (it’s already at that minimum really, which is pathetic). They won’t even be watchable, good, or worthy of fan passion for decades at this point (in my perspective it’s already been over a decade).

This franchise truly is abysmal and, no offense to anyone who lives there, it really is a representation of Philly nowadays and worthy of it. In terms of purely competitive merit, this franchise deserves being relocated. No other team has been abysmal this long, looks to be abysmal this long in the future, has wasted so many resources other teams don’t have from fans to funding to prospects and players.

It’s at the point where we’re talking lifetimes of failure and onion level satire for hockey ops positions. Think on that.

This is the press release written almost entirely by ChatGPT, right?

Presumably. Saw it on Facebook.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Okay, but you’re ignoring the more pertinent part. Who determines Briere’s firing? Who determines his successor? Who determines Keith Jones is a boon or drag to the front office?

This power structure looks ready to collapse in on itself with a stiff breeze. Briere’s boss is a guy who only got the position because he’s content with not having a major day-to-day say in operations, content with the current coach, content with the new GM (who got the job because he too is content with the coach) — and yet he has the power to fire all of them? Ass backwards doesn’t begin to describe this.

Clarke's zombie will come after Briere's 2024 draft pick selection and praise the current members of the scouting staff in 2029.

Or so I am guessing.

 

[Hextallent63]

maybe in his interview he told whats his face how shitty the org is and danny needs the reigns and all the advisors need to be sent down the turnpike. when i found out i yelled and asked my wife if it was april, and she said, wtf are you talking about? the first thought in my head when i found this out was its april fools day.

 

[deadhead]

It all comes down to Briere, the same way it usually comes down to one or two decision makers in every organization, whether a strong President (who dictates to his GM) or a strong GM.

There is no magical organizational structure in hockey, for one thing these aren't as complex organizations as football (where you have a large staff and constant player turnover and a hard cap) or baseball (where you have a more complex drafting and development system).

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What steps have been taken? What standard has been set? To bow down to Tortorella?

Throw a bunch of buzzwords together and make statements about how things are going to improve simply because in the back of their head they think they can’t get any worse and they’re “owed” it.

Briere doing his best Liar Liar poster impression.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Who determines Briere’s firing? Who determines his successor? Who determines Keith Jones is a boon or drag to the front office?

 

[Beef Invictus]

It all comes down to Briere, the same way it usually comes down to one or two decision makers in every organization, whether a strong President (who dictates to his GM) or a strong GM.

There is no magical organizational structure in hockey, for one thing these aren't as complex organizations as football (where you have a large staff and constant player turnover and a hard cap) or baseball (where you have a more complex drafting and development system).

So Fletcher is to blame for where the team is now?

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

I am indifferent on Briere, his job is pretty straight forward for the next 3 years.

- Get rid of the deadweight veteran contracts
- Draft a few players in the top 10
- Trade 2-3 "core" players (Provorov, Hart, Laughton, etc) and get back some pieces (blue chippers, 1st rounders, etc) to continue to build the future

The question will be, will the "others" in the organization allow it...

 

[chadateit]

So Fletcher is to blame for where the team is now?

nahh. Definitely still Hextall's fault. Duhh.

 

[Tripod]

What a new era to be part of.

 

[GKJ]

Montreal does that. Seriously. They've passed on coaches and managers because they aren't bilingual enough.

It’s why they interviewed Briere - who was legitimately a finalist - thus leading them to creating a full time spot for him. I don’t think Jeff Gorton is hands-off there.

Someone mentioned earlier with Fletcher about how that put him on the clock so they don’t lose Briere, I don’t fully believe that. Their plan was to build enough so that Fletcher could ascend to be POHO and welcomed into the consortium as the new overseer. He was going to be in the Brian Burke role.

 

[snoop88]

I don’t care who they trade with the exception of Hart. I don’t care if it’s irrational. I’ve gone my entire life without a franchise goalie. I want him to be a lifer.