Value of: Kasperi Kapanen for a young Dman

[LondonKendrick]

Leafs D is young enough, not sure what good a Kapanen (and I'm high on Kapanen) level prospect does for this team. The Leafs get a guy that is 3-4 years away from maybe becoming a top four?

Leafs need an RFA or UFA level defenseman to stablize things.

Or Liljegren

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs D is young enough, not sure what good a Kapanen (and I'm high on Kapanen) level prospect does for this team. The Leafs get a guy that is 3-4 years away from maybe becoming a top four?

Leafs need an RFA or UFA level defenseman to stablize things.

Or Liljegren

You are correct this why if he hits UFA I would back the money truck up to Kevin Shattenkirk's house because he would go a LONG way to pulling this D together

 

[Halla]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen was worth anyone noteworthy

Who is he playing with?

gauthier/timashov/moore.

49pts in his first 75 AHL games (mostly as a junior aged player), currently 2nd in AHL scoring. yeah not worth anything notable, smh.

Ive been praising this guy long before his current hot streak.
0.6ppg as a 19 year old is pretty good, yet many called him a bust

 

[Halla]

Got to think Toronto would have to add to Kapanen for a RHD.

doesnt even matter what rhd right? because its the leafs.
if this was a sens prospect he would be untouchable

 

[TML1967]

doesnt even matter what rhd right? because its the leafs.
if this was a sens prospect he would be untouchable

Depends on the add, and the player. Montour seems like a good target, and I think Kapanen + something for Montour + Stoner makes sense.

Stoner is better than most of our 3rd pairing guys currently, and plays with a bit of an edge.

 

[Halla]

Depends on the add, and the player. Montour seems like a good target, and I think Kapanen + something for Montour + Stoner makes sense.

Stoner is better than most of our 3rd pairing guys currently, and plays with a bit of an edge.

I think Kapanen and Montour are close, Stoner is worth a negative 2nd at least.

Kapanen and Hunwick for Montour,Stoner, conditional 2nd (from Andersen trade)

 

[gabeliscious]

I think Kapanen and Montour are close, Stoner is worth a negative 2nd at least.

Kapanen and Hunwick for Montour,Stoner, conditional 2nd (from Andersen trade)

Kapanen and Montour are probably closish in value.

Hunwick is making $1.2 million for this season then is ufa. Stoner is making $3.25 for this season and next. the is a lot of cap to take on for a 2nd round pick. i think the leafs are better off having that extra cap space then locking themselves up with stoner for another year.

i would be interested in a kap for montour deal though.

 

[TML1967]

Kapanen and Montour are probably closish in value.

Hunwick is making $1.2 million for this season then is ufa. Stoner is making $3.25 for this season and next. the is a lot of cap to take on for a 2nd round pick. i think the leafs are better off having that extra cap space then locking themselves up with stoner for another year.

i would be interested in a kap for montour deal though.

I agree to a point.

1) Coming off the Leafs Cap this summer is :
Polak @2.25
Robidas @3
Hunwick @1.2
Laich @4.5
Michalek @4
Greening @2.65
Total= 17.6 M

Don't know if you even think about bringing anyone from that list back. Maybe Hunwick and Polak if the kids who they are currently competing with dont develop.

2) Who needs a new contract?
Holland @1.3
Hyman @900k
Corrado, Brown, Smith, Griffith all under 700k
Zaitsev @925

So a few people will need more money (Zaitsev, Brown, Hyman top that list) but no one even close to being expensive.

Cant see this totaling more than 10ish M.

So should have about 7 million in free space, especially since Laich, Michalek and Greening are in the AHL, so not even real holes to fill.

I think with proper coaching and development, a guy like Montour could become a solid part of the Leafs top 4 long term. I have no problem taking on a guy like Stoner, who is still NHL capable as a #6/7, to make that happen.

 

[Matthews34]

Montour has nothing other than his right handed shot the leafs need so desperately. He's a small to average build for an NHL puck moving dman so thanks but no thanks we have plenty of those in the system. The leafs need a Gudbranson type dman. Kapanen alone doesn't fetch that.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

Got to think Toronto would have to add to Kapanen for a RHD.

And I think this is a ridiculous opinion

doesnt even matter what rhd right? because its the leafs.
if this was a sens prospect he would be untouchable

Funny but true

 

[TorontoTrades]

give it time and he'll be Nylander's RW on the 2nd line.

no rush.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

leafs are stacked with young prospects on the wing (Nylander,Marner,Brown,Timashov,Leipsic) to go along with vets like JVR, and Komarov.

they could use a good D prospect though. Kapanen has been on fire to start the year (4g,5a,9pts in 6 games). He is also still younger than most AHL rookies.

what would your team be willing to give up in a good ol' 1 for 1 prospect kinda deal?

Toronto has good D prospects in Dermott, Nielsen, Valiev and Greenway.

Kapanen definitely won't bring in a bluechip type prospect like say Provorov, Werenski, Theodore.

Won't Toronto needs is actually an established quality top 4 Dman to support the youth they already have (including Rielly & Zaitsev).

 

[HuGo Sham]

Not sure what other teams will give up, but we should be targetting a high potential RHD. Some of these guys are probably unavailable. In a perfect world, we get a guy who is exempt from the expansion draft.

Brandon Carlo
Noah Juulsen
Brett Pesce
Steve Santini
Josh Jacobs
Ryan Pulock
Madison Bowey
Ville Pokka
Julius Honka
Dante Fabbro
Jack Dougherty
Jordan Schmaltz
Tommy Vannelli
Brandon Montour
Anthony DeAngelo
Rasmus Andersson
Jeremy Roy

There's a guy or two there that I don't like (DeAngelo), but I trust our scouts to make the right call.

Juulsen is going to be a stud. He was called a reach and bust last year. Martin Lapointe thinks he's a can't-miss prospect. He's lights-out this year. I would've considered a 1 for 1 with Kapanen last year. Now hab fans are too excited about a sergachev/juulsen pairing

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

If the rebuilding Leafs trade Kapanen they would want a good bonafide NHLer NOW. Leafs really don't need any more NHL prospects, unless they are truly elite.

Valiev, Dermot, Nielsen aren't elite prospects but seem to have the pedigree of being NHLere.

Gardiner, Rielly and I believe Zaitsev are true NHL Dmen and Carrick too though both Zaitsev and Carrick are in a "prove it" year.

I just doubt the Leafs want to trade Kapanan for a "maybe" and other NHL teams don't want to trade a true NHL Dman for a maybe (Kapanan). Leafs will have more cap room next summer and the sumer after to acquire players, possibility through UFA, without giving up top prospects.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Lekhonen wouldn't have made the leafs roster, we have a team mate of his from Frolunda who outscored him named Andreas Johnsson who is with the Marlies and never really had a shot to make the big club.

Leafs spots for rookies were very competitive, more guys trying to make the team than spots for them by a long shot

lehkonen is better than johnsson. lehkonen is better than kapanen (right now). absurd to say he wouldn't make leafs roster

 

[Randy Randerson]

lehkonen is better than johnsson. lehkonen is better than kapanen (right now). absurd to say he wouldn't make leafs roster

can you support that with anything? Johnsson and Lekhonen are statistically very similar at the same age, save for 16 playoff games where Lekhonen played out of his mind and Johnsson stumbled, and Johnsson outproduced him over the course of the regular season by a good margin this year. Kapanen is finally producing huge points now that he has opportunity to do so, and he's the only 1st rounder in the group so residual value favours him. I'm not saying that any of them is definitively better than the other, to me they are similar tier and Kapanen would likely get an edge for pedigree, so if you have anything to support your opinion please share

He absolutely would not have made the leaf roster, would have had to beat out Nylander or Marner for a top 6 wing position. Brown made it as a 4th liner after 2 years of AHL seasoning and a good showing last year in his call up. Hyman made it for his willingness to do the dirty work. You'll notice that neither Johnsson or Kapanen got a real look at making the big club either

 

[McMatthews]

lehkonen is better than johnsson. lehkonen is better than kapanen (right now). absurd to say he wouldn't make leafs roster

Lehkonen is on par with Andreas Johnsson.

Kapanen is a noticeably better talent than either Lehkonen or Johnsson.

 

[HuGo Sham]

can you support that with anything?

He absolutely would not have made the leaf roster

there was a thread started on this exact subject last year where Finnish and Swedish fans discussed it. you can dig it up, i'm too lazy. i only came here to say i wouldn't trade juulsen for kapanen. lol
no way

 

[McMatthews]

there was a thread started on this exact subject last year where Finnish and Swedish fans discussed it. you can dig it up, i'm too lazy. i only came here to say i wouldn't trade juulsen for kapanen. lol
no way

I remember when Swedish fans were adamant that Robert Nilsson was a better talent than Alexander Steen.

 

[Randy Randerson]

there was a thread started on this exact subject last year where Finnish and Swedish fans discussed it. you can dig it up, i'm too lazy. i only came here to say i wouldn't trade juulsen for kapanen. lol
no way

seems convenient. Anyway, I stand by my opinions as I can support them

 

[Randy Randerson]

there was a thread started on this exact subject last year where Finnish and Swedish fans discussed it. you can dig it up, i'm too lazy. i only came here to say i wouldn't trade juulsen for kapanen. lol
no way

Just searched for "Lekhonen Johnson Kapanen" and it didn't bring anything up.

If that thread did exist, wouldn't its existence validate that they're all in the same tier? No one is making threads about "who's better, McDavid or Ivan Barbashev?"

And if it did happen last year, would that have occurred just as Lekhonen was lighting up the playoffs, Johnson was stumbling and Kapanen was being blocked by a bunch of other prospects on the Marlies? Timing would play a big factor

I'm open to changing my opinion, but there's got to be some support

 

[xxreact9]

Montour has nothing other than his right handed shot the leafs need so desperately. He's a small to average build for an NHL puck moving dman so thanks but no thanks we have plenty of those in the system. The leafs need a Gudbranson type dman. Kapanen alone doesn't fetch that.

Small? He's currently 6 feet tall and 192 pounds and has lots to grow.

He's a defenseman who put up 57 points in 68 AHL games last year. Kapanen put up 25 in 44. They're both off to great starts this year... but in no world or universe is their value equal. Very logical pieces to make a deal around for both teams, but again the production is drastically in favor of Montour and he's a defender to boot. San Diego Gulls are trash so there's no twisting the argument that way. He's not porous defensively, but he has a lot of work to do.

If leaf nation is this high on Kapanen, keep him because his trade value is a ways off from what y'all think it should be.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Small? He's currently 6 feet tall and 192 pounds and has lots to grow.

He's a defenseman who put up 57 points in 68 AHL games last year. Kapanen put up 25 in 44. They're both off to great starts this year... but in no world or universe is their value equal. Very logical pieces to make a deal around for both teams, but again the production is drastically in favor of Montour and he's a defender to boot. San Diego Gulls are trash so there's no twisting the argument that way. He's not porous defensively, but he has a lot of work to do.

If leaf nation is this high on Kapanen, keep him because his trade value is a ways off from what y'all think it should be.

Now compare them at the same age. Except you can't because most prospects that are 19 aren't in the AHL.

I don't understand how people cannot grasp the concept of a 19 year old in the AHL. But sure keep comparing his production to a 21 year old. Montour is great but you're comparing apples and oranges and saying Oranges are worth more because they were better when the were 2 years older than apples. Well no ****.

I suppose you would agree that Josh Leivo has more value than Nick Ritchie as well following the same logic? Or does age matter then?

 

[FerrisRox]

lehkonen is better than johnsson. lehkonen is better than kapanen (right now). absurd to say he wouldn't make leafs roster

For the record, a panel of NHL scouts agrees with you.

The Hockey News just put out their Prospects Unlimited issue and for it they assembled a panel of NHL scouts to rank the top 100 prospects under 23 in the National Hockey League.

Lehkonen was ranked #84. Kapanen wasn't ranked at all.

 

[THall4]

I remember when Swedish fans were adamant that Robert Nilsson was a better talent than Alexander Steen.

Is motivation a talent? because as a player...that's all Steen had on Nilsson.