Value of: Kasperi Kapanen for a young Dman

[ResilientBeast]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen was worth anyone noteworthy

Who is he playing with?

 

[kilgro]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen was worth anyone noteworthy

Who is he playing with?

Pretty sure he's had Gauthier as his center every game and the other winger has been mostly Soshnikov with Timashov and Moore each getting some time there

 

[542365]

Not sure what other teams will give up, but we should be targetting a high potential RHD. Some of these guys are probably unavailable. In a perfect world, we get a guy who is exempt from the expansion draft.

Brandon Carlo
Noah Juulsen
Brett Pesce
Steve Santini
Josh Jacobs
Ryan Pulock
Madison Bowey
Ville Pokka
Julius Honka
Dante Fabbro
Jack Dougherty
Jordan Schmaltz
Tommy Vannelli
Brandon Montour
Anthony DeAngelo
Rasmus Andersson
Jeremy Roy

There's a guy or two there that I don't like (DeAngelo), but I trust our scouts to make the right call.

Tommy Vannelli is not a high potential player. Blues would gladly give him up for Kapanen, but the Leafs brass would laugh. Jordan Schmaltz is really the only guy for the Blues that fits the bill, but Schmaltz is a guy with a pretty clear role on the team in the coming years, so I highly doubt he'd be moved.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen was worth anyone noteworthy

Who is he playing with?

...Really? Why? He put up pretty solid numbers for a 19 year old and now he's putting up dominating numbers as a 20 year old (it's early, I know). But he's looked like a dominant player so far for the Marlies. He got bigger, he's incredibly fast and has a really good shot. You're looking at a very good prospect here. Not sure why he has a bad reputation of not having much value?

Last few games he's played with Gauthier and Soshnikov, 5 on 5 anyway.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Not sure what other teams will give up, but we should be targetting a high potential RHD. Some of these guys are probably unavailable. In a perfect world, we get a guy who is exempt from the expansion draft.

Brandon Carlo
Noah Juulsen
Brett Pesce
Steve Santini
Josh Jacobs
Ryan Pulock
Madison Bowey
Ville Pokka
Julius Honka
Dante Fabbro
Jack Dougherty
Jordan Schmaltz
Tommy Vannelli
Brandon Montour
Anthony DeAngelo
Rasmus Andersson
Jeremy Roy

There's a guy or two there that I don't like (DeAngelo), but I trust our scouts to make the right call.

Carlo is basically our lone bright spot on the backend this year. There are others that have played OK but he has really been great.

With that said, it would take a lot to pry him from Boston.

 

[tony d]

Got to think Toronto would have to add to Kapanen for a RHD.

 

[gamer1035]

Leafs will just keep Kapanen and use him as a future first line winger. No need to trade him.

 

[AhoLottaLove]

Roland McKeown plus a third round pick from Carolina.

 

[hamzarocks]

Roland McKeown plus a third round pick from Carolina.

Bad deal for the leafs. At minimum we would do a 1-1 prospect swap for hayden fleury. And even than i don't think a lot of leaf fans would want to trade kapanen unless we are getting back a young(20-24 year old) top 4 dmen player. That's why i would want pesce for kappy plus a 2nd or something.

 

[AhoLottaLove]

A young top four defenseman is worth a lot more than an undersized winger who hasn't proven that he will ever be an effective NHL player.

 

[WTFMAN99]

A young top four defenseman is worth a lot more than an undersized winger who hasn't proven that he will ever be an effective NHL player.

A young unproven defenseman isn't worth as much as a winger who has performed well in professional men's leagues.

See how easy that is to change around?

 

[SprDaVE]

A young top four defenseman is worth a lot more than an undersized winger who hasn't proven that he will ever be an effective NHL player.

6' and around 190lbs is not undersized. Come on now.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Soshnikov?

I like Soshnikov's shot but imo it's not as good as Kappys.

Soshnikov to me seems like a high-volume shooter instead.

But is there really a point in trading Kappy 1 for 1 if it's not going to return a top-pairing guy? We have Carrick, Corrado, Lindgren, Zaistev for the bottom-4 RHD spots.

 

[Gavy]

A young top four defenseman is worth a lot more than an undersized winger who hasn't proven that he will ever be an effective NHL player.

Translation:
" I don't know anything about Kapanen but I'll pretend I do"

 

[AhoLottaLove]

A young unproven defenseman isn't worth as much as a winger who has performed well in professional men's leagues.

See how easy that is to change around?

9 goals and 25 points in 44 AHL games is not performing well IMO. He didn't exactly light it up in Europe either. He's got a lot of potential. A bit more than Mckeown which is why I proposed adding the third rounder.

My proposal was unproven for unproven but Leafs fans apparently want a proven young top four defenseman for an unproven and underperforming forward prospect. I don't think that's reasonable.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen was worth anyone noteworthy

Who is he playing with?

He and Leipsic have been the engines for an AHL team that is very good on paper and have been good to start the season. He gets a mix of linemates between 5on5 and PP time, and the Marlies are a little overly-deep so the lineup changes a bit from game to game

guys that have been involved on the same goals include: Leipsic, Rychel, Greening, Nielsen, Valiev, Dermott, Gauthier, Soshnikov. He doesn't play 5on5 with Leipsic who is the other leading scorer

I think the Leafs are wise to hang on to Kapanen and gamble that he'll have a big AHL year, he had good pedigree coming into his draft as a guy with big upside and a big year in the AHL would likely raise him back to "blue chip" status

 

[Randy Randerson]

9 goals and 25 points in 44 AHL games is not performing well IMO. He didn't exactly light it up in Europe either. He's got a lot of potential. A bit more than Mckeown which is why I proposed adding the third rounder.

My proposal was unproven for unproven but Leafs fans apparently want a proven young top four defenseman for an unproven and underperforming forward prospect. I don't think that's reasonable.

Kapanen didn't get much opportunity on a crazy deep Marlies team last year, and many of the guys blocking him have graduated to open up better minutes this year

I see why teams wouldn't want to pay a premium for someone who hasn't put up big numbers, but his opportunity was limited to be able to do so as well - sort of like a KHL rookie where a .5ppg is exemplary

Leafs are wise to hold on to Kapanen, if he puts up big numbers this year his value goes way back up IMO. He does also look like he can play a depth NHL role if he doesn't pan out, willing to work in the dirty areas and has wheels, so the floor is pretty high with him (which was not the draft day scouting report)

 

[TOGuy14]

9 goals and 25 points in 44 AHL games is not performing well IMO. He didn't exactly light it up in Europe either. He's got a lot of potential. A bit more than Mckeown which is why I proposed adding the third rounder.

My proposal was unproven for unproven but Leafs fans apparently want a proven young top four defenseman for an unproven and underperforming forward prospect. I don't think that's reasonable.

You do realize he did that as a 19 year old, an age in which most players are still in the CHL? He was essentially the youngest player in the entire AHL last year.

As a 20 year old he is off to a red-hot start, clearly growing physically and on the ice.

I will admit I saw him as a bit of a tweener winger previously, but he has obviously taken some big strides from a development perspective recently and his ceiling appears to be quite high now.

 

[howkie]

Would not trade a top d-prospect for kapanen. Would want something more.....

 

[sansabri]

No to Juulsen for Kap from Habs' POV.

 

[4thline]

No to Juulsen for Kap from Habs' POV.

Understandable. Despite Kap slotting in as your top non-sergachev prospect there are a couple forwards not far behind, where as not as much depth behind Juulsen defensively

 

[BayStreetBully]

...Really? Why? He put up pretty solid numbers for a 19 year old and now he's putting up dominating numbers as a 20 year old (it's early, I know). But he's looked like a dominant player so far for the Marlies. He got bigger, he's incredibly fast and has a really good shot. You're looking at a very good prospect here. Not sure why he has a bad reputation of not having much value?

Last few games he's played with Gauthier and Soshnikov, 5 on 5 anyway.

He hasn't proven himself at the NHL level (nor even at the AHL level), nor was he a top 10 draft pick, which would have given him the benefit of the doubt league-wide.

I like Kapanen a lot. He's my favourite forward Leaf prospect. But he's worth more to us than to any other team, until he proves himself at the NHL level.

 

[sansabri]

Understandable. Despite Kap slotting in as your top non-sergachev prospect there are a couple forwards not far behind, where as not as much depth behind Juulsen defensively

Yeah, no. Kap wouldn't be our best forward prospect.

 

[4thline]

Yeah, no. Kap wouldn't be our best forward prospect.

I suppose you could argue a toss-up between him and McCarron, Kap's raw upside vs. the rarity of McCarron's overall skillset but that's about it.

 

[strandvag]

Leafs will just keep Kapanen and use him as a future first line winger. No need to trade him.

First line winger? no way. I have followed Kapanen and watched him play in Finland. At best he will be a second line winger and will have a rough time against bigger and stronger opponents.