News Article: Karlsson and Dorion/Melnyk didn't talk after November

[BatherSeason]

We are questioning them too, but the buck stops with the captain no? Especially when he is directly one of the causes of a dressing room rift. Stone is also one of the leaders who clashed with EK.

I'm not sure Pyatt was brought on for leadership, nor Thompson or Oduya. Burrows yes, and he has been well criticized all year in fact.

Boucher has also been criticized, though the coach doesn't run the leadership group. Boucher is responsible for implementing a system that is more "fun' to play in, and hopefully more effective as well, but he can't solve personal differences in the room.

Sorry, man but when you come at me in a huff like you did in response to my post I'm not sure what you expect. If you approach a discussion calmly things tend to stay that way.

Seems like character moves to me, sorry I should have used "character" and not "leadership"

Sens sign Nate Thompson to two-year, $3.3M deal

“He brings character, he helps our culture, he blocks shots, he (can play) the PK, he can play a role. He brings a lot of things we were looking for,” said Dorion. “If you look at our centre with (Kyle) Turris, (Derick) Brassard, (Jean-Gabriel) Pageau (and) Thompson, I feel we’re ahead of where we were last year.”

Johnny Oduya gets a chance to play at home with the Senators

The Senators have been pleased with Oduya’s performance so far this season.
“We added Oduya because of his experience, his ability to play top four minutes and he’s won the Cup,” head coach Guy Boucher said. “He’s the ultimate pro. This guy, before games, after games and after practice, is basically living in the gym. He’s got terrific professional habits.”

 

[Acidrain66]

My owner?

I don't need to join the bandwagon of endless insults in order to prove to folks that I don't 'love' EM. Give me a break. I don't defend his actions, and have also posted many times that I would like a new owner for the team with cash and a closed mouth. Still, I'm not all worked up about ownership and management like some, because I don't really care too much about that side of hockey, a bit but not enough for it to ruin my afternoon.

I'm not justifying the EK trade return, it is what it is and speaks for itself, I can see why he potentially needed to go though, and can understand that he was traded as a rental. I would have liked at least one known awesome piece in return but it is what it is. What I care most about is watching the team on the ice and I have liked what I have seen from them so far, given rebuild and all.

Well back too Sensung, wheres your sources on EK being a bad leader...because all I'm reading are hear says from the sun

 

[Karl Prime]

I wouldn't be surprised if EK wasn't too happy with losing Methot when it was avoidable, and wasn't too happy with losing Turris (not saying he didn't want Duchene there but a 1C swap isn't a "all-in" move). Not to mention that Marc and Kyle were leaders in the room and they were gone, and they were probably Erik's first two "supports" along with Phaneuf.

We don't have any real details one way or another, but everything that's come out is specifically about the 17-18 season. There didn't seem to be any locker room issues in his first three seasons as captain.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Lol. This has been happening for years and its quite obvious and NO, I will not provide you any proof.

So when did Eugene Melnyk acquire control of the local media, and put them in his pocket?

Never mind looking for any proof, there is not any to be found.

 

[Acidrain66]

So when did Eugene Melnyk acquire control of the local media, and put them in his pocket?

Never mind looking for any proof, there is not any to be found.

Just like your proof about EK's contract offer

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Considering Lebreton is about $4B, having the city pay $300M would be really really low.

But the Mayor has categorically stated, an numerous occasions, that no (tax) money from the city is going to given to the RLG.

In fact all proposals submitted to the NCC, for the rights to re-development Lebreton Flats had a stipulation that no public money be included in the proposal, and had to be 100% privately financed.

Yes, the cost of the soil remediation is going to be deducted from the market value of the land, by the NCC.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Just like your proof about EK's contract offer

It's ludicrous to think that Eugene Melnyk controls the local media (radio, TV, newspapers) and they follow his talking points.

Three different sources reported that the offer was 8 X 11 ..... and every time I mentioned that, I worded is as "reportedly" ....... do I need to clarify that any further?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Seems like character moves to me, sorry I should have used "character" and not "leadership"

Sens sign Nate Thompson to two-year, $3.3M deal

“He brings character, he helps our culture, he blocks shots, he (can play) the PK, he can play a role. He brings a lot of things we were looking for,” said Dorion. “If you look at our centre with (Kyle) Turris, (Derick) Brassard, (Jean-Gabriel) Pageau (and) Thompson, I feel we’re ahead of where we were last year.”

Johnny Oduya gets a chance to play at home with the Senators

The Senators have been pleased with Oduya’s performance so far this season.
“We added Oduya because of his experience, his ability to play top four minutes and he’s won the Cup,” head coach Guy Boucher said. “He’s the ultimate pro. This guy, before games, after games and after practice, is basically living in the gym. He’s got terrific professional habits.”

Well good on you to realize that 'character' and 'leadership' are different words.

 

[Acidrain66]

It's ludicrous to think that Eugene Melnyk controls the local media (radio, TV, newspapers) and they follow his talking points.

Three different sources reported that the offer was 8 X 11 ..... and every time I mentioned that, I worded is as "reportedly" ....... do I need to clarify that any further?

So when your saying that the source your spewing is concrete???

 

[Acidrain66]

Well good on you to realize that 'character' and 'leadership' are different words.

I'm sure your super excited to have your local boy Boro as your leader right??

 

[Micklebot]

Funny, where were the complaints about Karlsson's leadership when we were hearing these quotes:

"I've had the benefit of watching [Karlsson] grow as a player and a person for the last six, seven years, and what he does on and off the ice for us is unmeasurable," Anderson said. "You obviously see the points and what he does on the ice, but it's the little things that make him a great leader, a great teammate. He's starting to remind me a lot of Alfie, where guys are starting to kill themselves for him."

"When you've got your top guy buying in like that, it'll translate into an entire team [following him]," said Boucher. "[Karlsson] and Dion [Phaneuf] and Kyle [Turris], those guys have done an unbelievable job of grabbing everybody and taking them in the same direction. Yeah, he's making great plays, but it's way beyond that. This guy has become something else, in every aspect."

“Every effort for him, his approach to the team and the season, has been about leadership and winning with the collective,” Boucher said.

Since the summer we’ve had many talks together, and he’s been an unbelievable leader in all aspects. He’s been defending so hard. He’s on time. He takes young guys aside. Everything you hope for from a leader, he’s shown it. And under pressure he’s been the guy. He’s been buying into everything we’ve wanted to do. I can’t ask for better. I really can’t.”
Methot describes Karlsson as a confident leader, a superb communicator and mostly a happy-go-lucky person – but insists no one equate that with being too laid back. “He’s intense,” Methot said. “He looks loose, he looks relaxed when you’re talking to him off the ice. When you watch him on social media he seems like a down-to-earth guy, and he is, but when it comes to being on the ice and in the dressing room, he’s very demanding from his teammates. He expects a certain level of play from every member of the team.”
Karlsson will speak up if he sees something he doesn’t like, and teammates respect him for it, Methot said.

Somebody mentioned that maybe Karlsson didn't handle the pressures relating to his situation well, and that caused issues. That seems plausible, but that's not a leadership issue

 

[Blotto71]

Funny, where were the complaints about Karlsson's leadership when we were hearing these quotes:







Somebody mentioned that maybe Karlsson didn't handle the pressures relating to his situation well, and that caused issues. That seems plausible, but that's not a leadership issue

I'm only replying because I cannot like your comment twice.

So I'm going to like my own comment! (Consider this a "like").

 

[SAK11]

I wouldn't be surprised if EK wasn't too happy with losing Methot when it was avoidable, and wasn't too happy with losing Turris (not saying he didn't want Duchene there but a 1C swap isn't a "all-in" move). Not to mention that Marc and Kyle were leaders in the room and they were gone, and they were probably Erik's first two "supports" along with Phaneuf.

We don't have any real details one way or another, but everything that's come out is specifically about the 17-18 season. There didn't seem to be any locker room issues in his first three seasons as captain.

They also lost Kelly, Neil and McArthur. Plus, the loss of Bryan Murray, as well as Alfie leaving the organization. All leaders in some way.

I think Burrows' interview gave a lot of insight. The room was a mess, and it can't be attributed to just one thing. It was the loss of key players, the poor play, trade speculation, the Hoffman-Karlsson situation, the owner's comments before the outdoor game, among other things. Obviously this can't all be put on Karlsson, but as the captain he deserves some of the blame for the room getting as bad as it did. Burrows said he wishes he was more proactive in the room, and I'm sure a lot of guys feel the same way. Last year was a disaster on and off the ice, and everyone involved deserves some blame for that. By no means does Karlsson deserved to be dragged through the mud, though. And some of the baseless speculation is over the top.

 

[coladin]

He wasn't a problem in the room, guys like him. He is a fun guy to be around. Problem was more on the ice, not "bad in the room", according to people i have spoken with recently.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Funny, where were the complaints about Karlsson's leadership when we were hearing these quotes:







Somebody mentioned that maybe Karlsson didn't handle the pressures relating to his situation well, and that caused issues. That seems plausible, but that's not a leadership issue

This is likely true, also all of those guys in the leadership group mentioned are gone as well, perhaps that played a part in it. Maybe a void was created and filled with differing personalities, who knows, but something definitely happened.

It's hard to have a conversation about EK because people are so sensitive, but something was clearly up with him this year, we know this, but it doesn't mean he's a bad guy or bad player, or bad anything really, things are never black and white like that.

 

[JD1]

@Sensung

no you're certainly not my errand boy.

But if you are going to comment on why Edmonton can afford something and we cannot, solely based on revenue streams, then I'll invite you again to further research the two situations.

and if you don't want to research the situation in Edmonton or don't understand it, then you really don't understand the issue do you?

yes Micklebot posted some info. I knew those details. knowing them is why I called you out because you evidently didn't know them. I'm not going to post information and then have a title for tat with you....I've seen way too much of the behaviour before from you before. no thanks. I don't need it

if you want to comment on something, and berate people in the process, at least try to understand what you are commenting on.

and to your rhetorical question as to whether one needs a degree in accounting to comment on the teams finances...based on a lot of the comments that have come from you in the past year...having that type of education may provide you a different perspective than what you currently have. ... you wouldn't be antagonizing other people by posting about one half of an equation

 

[JD1]

I've listened to it and can't seem to confirm your B.S...but nice try

listen to it again.

Mendes aired an interview with Anderson. Simmer then set him up with a question and Mendes said "all I'm going to say is that I've interviewed Anderson countless times on and off the record and I'll tell you this. ..he's never been happier to be an ottawa senator than he is right now "

I suppose you can interpret that any way you'd like but how I interpreted that, given the discussion was all about the EK trade, was that EK being gone was contributing to that happiness. I also interpreted it to mean Mendes wasn't going to say certain things on air

 

[JD1]

Considering Lebreton is about $4B, having the city pay $300M would be really really low.

the city isn't investing anything in the arena

 

[JD1]

There are so many metrics you could use to compare and it would be an interesting discussion. Median incomes are relatively the same and Ottawa's pop is larger, but Edmonotn's GDP is much higher, but Ottawa COL is lower so the purchasing power equals out, but the private sector in Edmonton is larger, but Ottawa has a great potential viewing audience for TV deals because they have fans across a more populous/spread out East markets (Ontario, QC, Maritime's), etc, etc, etc....


Regardless it would be a pointless discussion in regards to the overall debate because I am confident that almost any economic metric that puts Edmonton ahead of Ottawa will also put Ottawa ahead of Winnipeg by virtually the same amount.

But by all means, show us something we don't understand.

i agree with your point

but the point I was making was about the respective new buildings....not about market size / revenue opportunities

 

[JD1]

Where is your evidence?? The local media have been given their marching orders in that everything any player says, to spin it to make it seem like they are happy Karlsson is gone. TGOR did it this morning. Funny that people keep ignoring the fact that the guys who do not play the game of hockey for this organization are the real ones that brought the chaos to this organization.

I didn't listen to tgor this morning. but I've read /listened to various sound bites from the two players I mentioned and I don't think it takes a lot of spin to interpret their conversations that way

 

[JD1]

Are they happy he's gone, or happy the circus is over? Karlsson admitted he felt that the writing was on the wall since January, I'm sure everybody felt the same way.

I'd say the sum total of what I've heard them say they are pleased he's gone. I could be totally wrong but that's my interpretation of what I've heard them say

 

[Gil Gunderson]

He wasn't a problem in the room, guys like him. He is a fun guy to be around. Problem was more on the ice, not "bad in the room", according to people i have spoken with recently.

Considering the analytics when he was on and off the ice, I’m not exactly shocked he wasn’t as popular on the ice.

 

[The Lewler]

And we literally called the character assassination months ago.

Don't care, not convinced.

 

[Acidrain66]

listen to it again.

Mendes aired an interview with Anderson. Simmer then set him up with a question and Mendes said "all I'm going to say is that I've interviewed Anderson countless times on and off the record and I'll tell you this. ..he's never been happier to be an ottawa senator than he is right now "

I suppose you can interpret that any way you'd like but how I interpreted that, given the discussion was all about the EK trade, was that EK being gone was contributing to that happiness. I also interpreted it to mean Mendes wasn't going to say certain things on air

This is coming from a guy demanded a trade??

 

[Ice-Tray]

Why are people getting so defensive, he's not your buddy. There has been comments from some of our key guys, not to mention the unfounded claims concerning Hoffman and his GF.

There is smoke here, but since it's EK the Ottawa Erik Karlssons fans don't want to talk about it. If it was about EM or PD these same dudes would have written 1000 posts of 'facts' by now...

Give your heads a shake, it's an interesting side topic to discuss, obviously there is something to it, and if true our team could be better this for it.... Which is better for us Ottawa Senator fans...