News Article: Karlsson and Dorion/Melnyk didn't talk after November

[coladin]

I haven't had a seat on the Andy train in years so don't for a minute think this is me taking his side

that's what was said. Mendes said it. And I can't think it was any other meaning.

interesting he wanted out. a few guys got shipped. he's never been happier. kinda hard to think the guys shipped out didn't contribute to his change of heart.

why is that? I don't have a ****ing clue but based on the words used .... it is what it is.

Right. It is what it is. He wasn't "bad" in the room, but he was not easy to play with on the ice. And the goalie in question gave him a lot of stares after goals last year

 

[Ray Kinsella]

So are you saying that Eugene issues directives, talking points and instructions to the local Media as to how to cover the Senators?

So are you saying the opposite? Please, provide evidence.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

It's ludicrous to think that Eugene Melnyk controls the local media (radio, TV, newspapers) and they follow his talking points.

Three different sources reported that the offer was 8 X 11 ..... and every time I mentioned that, I worded is as "reportedly" ....... do I need to clarify that any further?

It was reported by ONE local journalist and his wording was "it's believed that..." and then everyone ran with that, which was never confirmed. Do you know the meaning of the word "gossip"? Why don't you quit all of your bs for once. All you ever do is ask open ended questions by using all the wording from the poster you're replying to and putting words in their mouth. Do you not ever get tired of this... ever? What is your goal if you have one?

 

[Ray Kinsella]

listen to it again.

Mendes aired an interview with Anderson. Simmer then set him up with a question and Mendes said "all I'm going to say is that I've interviewed Anderson countless times on and off the record and I'll tell you this. ..he's never been happier to be an ottawa senator than he is right now "

I suppose you can interpret that any way you'd like but how I interpreted that, given the discussion was all about the EK trade, was that EK being gone was contributing to that happiness. I also interpreted it to mean Mendes wasn't going to say certain things on air

That can also be interpreted as something about Anderson's attitude. One of his last interviews during the off season didn't impress me much at all. He sounded completely arrogant. It's all in perspective.

 

[The Lewler]

That can also be interpreted as something about Anderson's attitude. One of his last interviews during the off season didn't impress me much at all. He sounded completely arrogant. It's all in perspective.

Was about to post this. I could just as easily find someone that says Anderson is a dingus.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

The smear campaign is going to pick up once the season starts.

You bet it is!
And the laziest, most team-friendly media corps in the league will fall in line. Notice CeeJay didn't press the unnamed source for details. No dates, no incidents, nothing. Just lazy slop and entreaties to buy his book.
No, I'm not going to buy your book or read your Athletic stuff CeeJay. Not until you name names, post dates and blow the whole thing sky-high.

As for Erik, wish him nothing but the best, class off and on the ice, was a privilege to watch him.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think part of it is cognitive dissonance. A person will try to make their own beliefs align with one another, so if Karlsson was a great player, and we believe him to be a great locker room presence and leader, but now he's traded and the team apparently didn't see him in the future, we need to change our beliefs to make it all make sense. One option is to believe Karlsson isn't the great locker room presence and leader we thought he was, another is to blame ownership for being unable or unwilling to afford him.

Not really...

It seems more like a convenient way to avoid all of the smoke around the issue, and to minimize some fans opinions. The reality is that you can actually believe both, or any combination of any of it as it's all on a sliding scale. Personally, I find many folks who were super attached to EK are the ones unwilling to consider that he may have been part of the problem, and are finding clever ways to undermine anyone thinking or speaking otherwise.

I don't think many fans around here feel the need to trash EK for the sake of it now that he's gone, it's not really happening at all. It seems more like some people are feeling a little more free to talk about the warts because he's no longer the captain of our beloved team, and thus we no longer feel the need to be defensive about him. Several players have made comments, it's not a fan driven sentiment, and it's not even that negative either.

 

[Ice-Tray]

You bet it is!
And the laziest, most team-friendly media corps in the league will fall in line. Notice CeeJay didn't press the unnamed source for details. No dates, no incidents, nothing. Just lazy slop and entreaties to buy his book.
No, I'm not going to buy your book or read your Athletic stuff CeeJay. Not until you name names, post dates and blow the whole thing sky-high.

As for Erik, wish him nothing but the best, class off and on the ice, was a privilege to watch him.

Have you considered that journalists/bloggers don't name sources for a reason? This isn't Watergate, if people want players to candidly talk to them, they don't name names and they don't give enough details to expose them.

This is Erik Karlsson hockey drama, it's not worth anyone's career.

 

[Ice-Tray]

to nobody in particular re: the EK stuff re: "dictator to democracy" etc.

I reserve the right to be wrong. /rant

There is not nearly enough information from anywhere for any impartial person to be 100% certain about any of this. Blaming management has been the go to for almost a year now, so no surprise that they're at it again with their underhanded sneaking....

Sometimes when it quacks like a duck, it's just is a duck.

 

[Micklebot]

Not really...

It seems more like a convenient way to avoid all of the smoke around the issue, and to minimize some fans opinions. The reality is that you can actually believe both, or any combination of any of it as it's all on a sliding scale. Personally, I find many folks who were super attached to EK are the ones unwilling to consider that he may have been part of the problem, and are finding clever ways to undermine anyone thinking or speaking otherwise.

I don't think many fans around here feel the need to trash EK for the sake of it now that he's gone, it's not really happening at all. It seems more like some people are feeling a little more free to talk about the warts because he's no longer the captain of our beloved team, and thus we no longer feel the need to be defensive about him. Several players have made comments, it's not a fan driven sentiment, and it's not even that negative either.

Sure, you're right, it's not black and white, there are shades of grey, but that doesn't mean cognitive dissonance isn't at play too. It's a very real and well studied phenomenon. I think there is almost certainly some of that at play here.

You talk about other people being locked into their points of view, I'd suggest to you that you have a history of being locked into your own point of view as well.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

So are you saying the opposite? Please, provide evidence.

They're not employed by EM, and therefore do not answer to him, but to their respective employers.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

It was reported by ONE local journalist and his wording was "it's believed that..." and then everyone ran with that, which was never confirmed. Do you know the meaning of the word "gossip"? Why don't you quit all of your bs for once. All you ever do is ask open ended questions by using all the wording from the poster you're replying to and putting words in their mouth. Do you not ever get tired of this... ever? What is your goal if you have one?

The 8 X 11 was reported by both Garrioch and Brennan locally and by Doug MacLean on Hockey Central at noon.

Again, it was "reportedly" 8 X 11 by all three ........ pretty sure I made that clear each and every time.

Do you require even further explanation?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

As for Erik, wish him nothing but the best, class off and on the ice, was a privilege to watch him.

It has been mentioned a few times over the past couple of seasons, that the Captain seemed to be the first one off the ice in morning skates and practices .......... this did not go unnoticed by others on the team, and was referenced a few times in interviews

 

[Cat Herder]

Have you ever pieced together a giant puzzle without knowing what the image was you were trying to recreate?

I am feeling that as more pieces come out that Karlsson might have been just as big of an issue in the locker room as Hoffman was. I believe he was liked, but I dont think he was respected. I am getting the feeling that the room became clique like (see the tweets from the various wifes for reference). A Captain is not to be partisan, and a part of the drama but is to try and reign it in. I dont think Karlsson could reign it in and even made the drama worse.

Mark Stone's comments in this video kind of reference a broken bond

I am not saying Karlsson is 100% to blame.. but I dont think he is 100% innocent either.. we lost a great player (as the players here said) but did we lose a great team mate?? (I dont remember any player saying that)

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

It has been mentioned a few times over the past couple of seasons, that the Captain seemed to be the first one off the ice in morning skates and practices .......... this did not go unnoticed by others on the team, and was referenced a few times in interviews

Lol Karlsson played 30 minutes a night and played with broken bones.

While Anderson gave up on a team halfway through a season.

People calling in question Karlssons commitment to the club are buying into the spin job of Melnyk and Dorion. Weak.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Have you ever pieced together a giant puzzle without knowing what the image was you were trying to recreate?

I am feeling that as more pieces come out that Karlsson might have been just as big of an issue in the locker room as Hoffman was. I believe he was liked, but I dont think he was respected. I am getting the feeling that the room became clique like (see the tweets from the various wifes for reference). A Captain is not to be partisan, and a part of the drama but is to try and reign it in. I dont think Karlsson could reign it in and even made the drama worse.

Mark Stone's comments in this video kind of reference a broken bond

I am not saying Karlsson is 100% to blame.. but I dont think he is 100% innocent either.. we lost a great player (as the players here said) but did we lose a great team mate?? (I dont remember any player saying that)

Honestly maybe Karlsson was the problem. Maybe he wanted to keep guys like Anderson, Ceci, Ryan, Brassard and Boro accountable for their trash play.

Karlssons super competitive and it's only matched by Stone on the roster. So I'm not surprised if some of the shit overpaid players on the roster took offence.

 

[NorthCoast]

i agree with your point

but the point I was making was about the respective new buildings....not about market size / revenue opportunities

Ahh...sorry. Didn't read back through the posts enough.

 

[The Lewler]

Have you ever pieced together a giant puzzle without knowing what the image was you were trying to recreate?

I am feeling that as more pieces come out that Karlsson might have been just as big of an issue in the locker room as Hoffman was. I believe he was liked, but I dont think he was respected. I am getting the feeling that the room became clique like (see the tweets from the various wifes for reference). A Captain is not to be partisan, and a part of the drama but is to try and reign it in. I dont think Karlsson could reign it in and even made the drama worse.

Mark Stone's comments in this video kind of reference a broken bond

I am not saying Karlsson is 100% to blame.. but I dont think he is 100% innocent either.. we lost a great player (as the players here said) but did we lose a great team mate?? (I dont remember any player saying that)

well when you have one teammate attached to accusations of harassment after the stillbirth of captains son, then yeah, the bond between "hockey brothers" tends to be broken.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Here we go again, maybe Alfie was the problem, maybe Spezza was the problem, maybe Chara was the problem, maybe Hossa was the problem, maybe Karlsson is the problem.

The team's leading scorer for 6 years straight is the problem, and the guy that lead the team on one leg to a goal away from Stanley cup finals is the problem.

I am not dismissing that there was locker room issues, especially with the personal stuff that Karlsson had to endure (loss of a child, wife getting cyber bullied, injury etc), there was probably a lot of tense moments in that locker room and probably a lot of people are to blame for it, and are still there. But it doesn't mean that we should revert to just making shit up and looking at everything through a magnifying glass in order to justify the crappy trade. This whole "we're a team" bullshit is just propaganda made up by the team to hide the fact that they don't have the funds to retain star talent, and such star talents don't want to play under that ownership. Yes the lockeroom was broken, but that wasn't the reason he was traded.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Those possession numbers when Karlsson was on and off the ice in the 2017 playoffs...

I’m sure anyone in his shoes would be frustrated with their teammates.

 

[Silex]

Here we go again, maybe Alfie was the problem, maybe Spezza was the problem, maybe Chara was the problem, maybe Hossa was the problem, maybe Karlsson is the problem.

The team's leading scorer for 6 years straight is the problem, and the guy that lead the team on one leg to a goal away from Stanley cup finals is the problem.

I am not dismissing that there was locker room issues, especially with the personal stuff that Karlsson had to endure (loss of a child, wife getting cyber bullied, injury etc), there was probably a lot of tense moments in that locker room and probably a lot of people are to blame for it, and are still there. But it doesn't mean that we should revert to just making **** up and looking at everything through a magnifying glass in order to justify the crappy trade. This whole "we're a team" bull**** is just propaganda made up by the team to hide the fact that they don't have the funds to retain star talent, and such star talents don't want to play under that ownership. Yes the lockeroom was broken, but that wasn't the reason he was traded.

Listen, boss. I don't know who you are coming in here with your empathy and reason, but the moment a team captain shows any hint of a character flaw, he is to be deemed a 'locker room problem' and left hanging in the wind during the offseason while the GM works out a trade which will be immediately be undervalued due to some organizational philosophy that they cannot deal him to the same conference.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Listen, boss. I don't know who you are coming in here with your empathy and reason, but the moment a team captain shows any hint of a character flaw, he is to be deemed a 'locker room problem' and left hanging in the wind during the offseason while the GM works out a trade which will be immediately be undervalued due to some organizational philosophy that they cannot deal him to the same conference.

You'd think they'd want to trade that locker room problem to someone in the same conference, no?

 

[HSF]

y,a can't see karlsson being a problem

one of the worst moves this organization has made and he is going to light it up

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Can't wait to see Karlsson ruin the locker room in San Jose, and make them play as individuals as opposed to as a 'team'.

 

[coladin]

Wondering, though, is the reason Karlsson's numbers were what they are m possession, points, etc...did this come partly from his style of play? A style of play not conducive to a team concept? Not blaming him totally, because Boucher really exploited Karlsson's game, being the star that he is. But with that comes the good and bad parts of his game.

I have heard that was part of it. PP hog. Great guy, but tough to play with and players questioned his commitment . Last to arrive , first to leave is not a captain's trait, even though being gifted as he was he could get away wqith it. Is it the right message though to the rest of the guys putting in extra work?