Proposal: Kaprizov to LA

[AKL]

switch that thought around. Would Meyers be in the league if he was the same size as Makar?

That's not switching it around, that's a completely different conversation.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Lol Byfield has more value than Kaprizov. He's 5 years younger, 8 inches taller, plays center, and still has ELC years to go through.
LA has no need for Kaprizov with their plethora of young forwards. They'd be smarter to build around what they have.

Holy sh*t, today I learned that Kaprizov is 5'9". He definitely doesn't look small on the ice. I would have guess 5'11" and he's really freakin' sturdy.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ah yes, which Kings prospects have proven anything on NHL level, if I might ask?

You can ask the same about any NHL prospect, smart guy.

 

[Legionnaire]

I'm not advocating for any kind of trade here for either side. My only comment was Byfield being much bigger than Kaprizov only matters if they end up as similar quality players. There are obviously other reasons each team may or may not want to make a trade.

He's 19 and shown that he can play in the league. If he peaks at 3rd line, cost controlled, Jordan Staal that's pretty darn good.

Over the years the age at which a player usually peaks has changed. It used to be 31, now 27. Some posters here have done research and analysis say it's even younger. I think it varies and there is some wiggle room.

Kaprizov is going to be 25 by the end of the season. So the question may come down to which would you prefer? A ppg winger for maybe the next six years or two way 3rd line center for 11?

Best case for Kaprizov. Looking like worst case for Byfield.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If Byfield never reaches the level Kaprizov is at now, it's irrelevant. It might matter in the future, but let's be honest here, Tyler Myers isn't more coveted than Cale Makar just because he's got a long reach.

Byfield has all the potential to be a #1C the most coveted position in hockey, comparing him to Tyler Myers, just because they have big reach is incredibly short sighted, especially given he plays a completely different position.

Myers is a f***ing caveman, makes constant boneheaded plays, his hockey IQ is awful. Of course he isn't comparable to Makar who is a is a phenom already.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Byfield has all the potential to be a #1C the most coveted position in hockey, comparing him to Tyler Myers, just because they have big reach is incredibly short sighted, especially given he plays a completely different position.

Myers is a f***ing caveman, makes constant boneheaded plays, his hockey IQ is awful. Of course he isn't comparable to Makar who is a is a phenom already.

You literally played right into their point. If Byfield doesn't reach the level Kaprizov is at now, then the size argument is irrelevant.

 

[AKL]

Byfield has all the potential to be a #1C the most coveted position in hockey, comparing him to Tyler Myers, just because they have big reach is incredibly short sighted, especially given he plays a completely different position.

Myers is a f***ing caveman, makes constant boneheaded plays, his hockey IQ is awful. Of course he isn't comparable to Makar who is a is a phenom already.

I don't think you understood what I said, but you came to the same conclusion, so I guess it's okay.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You literally played right into their point. If Byfield doesn't reach the level Kaprizov is at now, then the size argument is irrelevant.

If being the key, what IF he does? and right now he has all the potential to do so, right now the argument is absolutely relevant, which was my original point.

 

[AKL]

If being the key, what IF he does? and right now he has all the potential to do so, right now the argument is absolutely relevant, which was my original point.

Oh, guess you didn't get it after all

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don't think you understood what I said, but you came to the same conclusion, so I guess it's okay.

I understood, I also understood that you used a bad comparable to make your point.

 

[AKL]

I understood, I also understood that you used a bad comparable to make your point.

You keep saying the reason their size is relevant now is because Byfield could be as good as Kaprizov someday, so I really don't think you do understand.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Oh, guess you didn't get it after all

You compared two players who entered the league nearly 10 years apart, to two players who are entering the league a year apart (realistically one will have played 49 more games than the other) , the reach, at this point matters.

 

[AKL]

You compared two players who entered the league nearly 10 years apart, to two players who are entering the league a year apart (realistically one will have played 49 more games than the other) , the reach, at this point matters.

I compared a player who is big but not good to a player that is not big but very good, and said that size only matters if the two players are similar quality players, which as of now, Kaprizov and Byfield are not.

I knew you didn't understand. When they enter the league has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You keep saying the reason their size is relevant now is because Byfield could be as good as Kaprizov someday, so I really don't think you do understand.

No the size matters because Byfield has all the potential to be as good or better, again Kaprizov has played a whopping 49 more games.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I compared a player who is big but not good to a player that is not big but very good, and said that size only matters if the two players are similar quality players, which as of now, Kaprizov and Byfield are not.

I knew you didn't understand. When they enter the league has nothing to do with anything.

Byfield and Kaprizov are similar quality players though, you act like Kaprizov has played two more seasons, he's only played 49 more games.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If being the key, what IF he does? and right now he has all the potential to do so, right now the argument is absolutely relevant, which was my original point.

The point is that size doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, which is the conclusion that you are coming to. I'm not sure why you are up in arms about this. You are arguing the same conclusion they are arguing.

 

[AKL]

No the size matters because Byfield has all the potential to be as good or better, again Kaprizov has played a whopping 49 more games.

Byfield and Kaprizov are similar quality players though, you act like Kaprizov has played two more seasons, he's only played 49 more games.

You still don't seem to get it. Byfield was just fifth in scoring on his AHL team with 20 points in 32 games, Kaprizov was just first in scoring on his NHL team (22nd in the league in points, 8th in the league in goals). As of now, Byfield is not the level of player Kaprizov is. You seem to be confusing that with "potential" or "number of games played", and I think that's where your problem is.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Byfield and Kaprizov are similar quality players though, you act like Kaprizov has played two more seasons, he's only played 49 more games.

I don't disagree on higher potential being there for Byfield, but Kaprizov was darn near ppg in the NHL. Byfield was .625 ppg in the AHL this past year. I don't think they are equal right now in terms of quality of play.

Edit: I should also note that I wouldn't expect a 19 year old to be equal to a 24 year old.

 

[ricardfromage]

Not interested in paying assets to make this LAs problem.

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

We have a winner!

 

[ricardfromage]

Do you actually think it makes sense for Minnesota to trade Kaprizov for a package around Kupari or Vilardi?

If they’re trading Kaprizov, they need an elite young centre. It doesn’t make sense for LA to trade Byfield, so there’s no conversation. Kupari or Vilardi don’t warrant conversation.

I like Vilardi a lot by the way. He’s just not on Kaprizov’s level.

Nope.

If they are trading KK it is because he won't sign a reasonable contract and is becoming known as a bit of a problem. It has nothing to do with talent. If KK had signed a 6 for $9m contract the Wild wouldn't even considered trading their talented budding young super star (by young I mean 24yo old and not 18/19). KK seems to want nothing to do with that sort of a deal so he IS a problem at this point. Things can and likely will change but since KK regardless of his talent is making his first real contract a problem for the team that drafted him and then waited on his coming to NA and then put him in the best possible position that they could to succeed isn't worth what his talent should dictate at this point the deal would seemingly favor the other team.

So I do think that a deal that includes Vilardi, a player who is highly touted by the Kings and is very likely to be a top 6er (he plays both wings and C) for the next 8 years and or a player like Kupari who is having a very solid start to his pro hockey career would be ideal starts to a deal for KK. Not the end pieces but to start off with? Absolutely. Should Wild fans like it? I sure wouldn't but that is why they need a solution to the KK problem before BG ends up beginning to start considering offers along those lines.

 

[Kurrilino]

What the fridge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this one renewed?
We already established that there is no deal to be made.
Kaprizoff isn't even an established 1 PPG player and at least 4 years out of our age window.
Beside that i don't pay assets for someone who is interested in nothing but paychecks.

Fiala also doesn't fetch one of our top prospects.
Our guys only go for 30+ goal winger or youngsters with the potential of being 30+ goal scorers

Just close this crap for god sake

 

[Kurrilino]

What do Kings fans think of something around Fiala and Vilardi?

Fiala wants a long term deal, but for whatever reason GMBG doesn't seem to want to give him that (much to the annoyance of a bunch of Wild fans including myself).

I think that we are not giving up a 1st line center for an undersized 2nd line winger.

Fiala for Iafallo i would do though

 

[AKL]

What the fridge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this one renewed?
We already established that there is no deal to be made.
Kaprizoff isn't even an established 1 PPG player and at least 4 years out of our age window.
Beside that i don't pay assets for someone who is interested in nothing but paychecks.

Fiala also doesn't fetch one of our top prospects.
Our guys only go for 30+ goal winger or youngsters with the potential of being 30+ goal scorers

Just close this crap for god sake

So the guy who was just 8th in the league in goals with 27 goals in 55 games isn't close enough to a 30 goal winger?
I guess I'll give you Fiala though, since he's only paced for 31 goals per 82 games for the last two years, which have both been shortened, but it is what it is.

I think that we are not giving up a 1st line center for an undersized 2nd line winger.

Fiala for Iafallo i would do though

This is really rich.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think that we are not giving up a 1st line center for an undersized 2nd line winger.

Fiala for Iafallo i would do though

I fail to see where I mentioned a 1st line center in my post.

 

[Osprey]

Ah yes, which Kings prospects have proven anything on NHL level, if I might ask?

Which Wild prospects have proven anything at the NHL level? Should no one want to touch Marco Rossi "with a 10 foot pole," especially at the cost of a proven NHLer, either?