Confirmed with Link: Kapanen re-signs for 2 years at $3.2 million AAV

[KrisLetAngry]

I just want to quickly mention bottom 6s with players that only make under 2 million can be a huge disaster.

You need players that make more.

Now I was excited for Kap and he failed last year. He had a shot this year to damage on the 3rd line or 2nd line. Whatever time he gets.

Injuries happen and I'd rather not have to bring McGinn to a top 6 role.

Also McGinns contract honestly is fair value. We just gotta deal with it.

 

[Turin]

Kapanen got 2 years because if he bounces back he’s worth more and will be more valuable to trade to the Pens, or is simply on a good deal if the Pens want to keep him, and to Kapanens side if he struggles again he has extra security.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

I just want to quickly mention bottom 6s with players that only make under 2 million can be a huge disaster.

You need players that make more.

Now I was excited for Kap and he failed last year. He had a shot this year to damage on the 3rd line or 2nd line. Whatever time he gets.

Injuries happen and I'd rather not have to bring McGinn to a top 6 role.

Also McGinns contract honestly is fair value. We just gotta deal with it.

Too many guys making too much money who don't play a playoff style game leads to exactly what you'd expect, yearly failure in the playoffs. You can get a guy to skate up and down the wing real fast for cheaper than 3.2m a year. What's Jayson Megna doing these days? To answer my own question he played 20 games for the Avs last year. That is hilarious.

 

[jmelm]

My point is he shouldn't have been signed at all.


My point is he shouldn't have been signed at all.

Such a good point, you need to say it twice!

Kapanen got 2 years because if he bounces back he’s worth more and will be more valuable to trade to the Pens, or is simply on a good deal if the Pens want to keep him, and to Kapanens side if he struggles again he has extra security.

This would make sense only if Kapanen had the slightest modicum of leverage in those negotiations, which he didn't.

 

[jmelm]

Can we finally agree Krapanen is getting traded now that we've signed Heinen??

I mean, c'mon.....there just can't be space for everyone so there has to be a shoe (or sake) to drop here.

Stop keeping us in suspense Sleepy! Wake up!!

 

[tom_servo]

I'm of two minds on Kapanen. Yes, I agree he sucked last year. But I also think that was a surprise because he was good the previous year. There's volatility here.

I don't want to be classic Mr Optimist and say "well it's possible he'll be good again" but I will say... it's possible he'll.... again... be good?

The dude is a veteran but is two years younger than Blueger. I don't think his story is cemented.

The guy, when on his game, is a rare commodity on this roster with his breakaway ability. I hope he can find confidence and some more utility (PK). But I won't cry if he's shipped out today.

 

[jmelm]

But I won't cry if he's shipped out today.

That's the key right there. Someone who you wouldn't cry about if they were shipped out is not someone you commit $6.4M over 2 years.

 

[Power Surge]

That's the key right there. Someone who you wouldn't cry about if they were shipped out is not someone you commit $6.4M over 2 years.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Can we finally agree Krapanen is getting traded now that we've signed Heinen??

I mean, c'mon.....there just can't be space for everyone so there has to be a shoe (or sake) to drop here.

Stop keeping us in suspense Sleepy! Wake up!!

Alright, wager time.

If Kasperi Kapanen is on the Penguins NHL roster on opening night against the Coyotes, you have to change your avatar to this picture of Zucker and Kapanen celebrating. You must leave it up for the remainder of the regular season.

If Kapanen is traded before the season starts, I will change my avatar to the following picture of Drew O'Connor.

Deal?

 

[tom_servo]

That's the key right there. Someone who you wouldn't cry about if they were shipped out is not someone you commit $6.4M over 2 years.

Well the last player I cried over trading was... Kovalev? Trying to think here.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Kapanen - 321games - 63g - 89a - 152pts +23
Heinen - 348 games - 62g - 92a - 154pts +15

One got paid $3.2M, and one got $1M. Now tell me that Kapanen isn't being overpaid.

Yes I also believe Kapanen is better than Heinen. Heinen is more of a 3rd line player with some upside, while Kapanen teases you with top-6dom, while not fitting the bottom 6. Doesn't mean he deserves $3.2M.

Kap is 26, he is likely whatever he will be at this stage. I don't think he is top on the list of people Hextall is trying to trade. If they wanted to trade him, they should have traded away his RFA rights before qualifying him.

 

[Peat]

Kapanen - 321games - 63g - 89a - 152pts +23
Heinen - 348 games - 62g - 92a - 154pts +15

One got paid $3.2M, and one got $1M. Now tell me that Kapanen isn't being overpaid.

Yes I also believe Kapanen is better than Heinen. Heinen is more of a 3rd line player with some upside, while Kapanen teases you with top-6dom, while not fitting the bottom 6. Doesn't mean he deserves $3.2M.

Kap is 26, he is likely whatever he will be at this stage. I don't think he is top on the list of people Hextall is trying to trade. If they wanted to trade him, they should have traded away his RFA rights before qualifying him.

I would argue that Kapanen isn't particularly overpaid but Heinen is brutally underpaid.

 

[Zbynek]

Kakko 2x$2.1 million. This deal just looks worse and worse with every signing.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

I would argue that Kapanen isn't particularly overpaid but Heinen is brutally underpaid.

Reality is likely in the middle.

 

[jmelm]

Kapanen - 321games - 63g - 89a - 152pts +23
Heinen - 348 games - 62g - 92a - 154pts +15

One got paid $3.2M, and one got $1M. Now tell me that Kapanen isn't being overpaid.

But Chicago needs to stay above the kap floor

 

[AjaxTelamon]

But Chicago needs to stay above the kap floor

I hope you're right. No idea why we qualified him, were we concerned someone was going to offer him 3.5m AAV?

 

[Zbynek]

That's the key right there. Someone who you wouldn't cry about if they were shipped out is not someone you commit $6.4M over 2 years.

Especially when we could have just walked away. That cap could be used for a deadline deal later in the season, or if the opportunity came, combo'd with moving 1 of McGinn/Blueger for a $5million winger.

People say "asset management" but he hasn't been traded yet. The more time that passes suggests this is not a sign and trade, and mgmt really believes Kap is a 3.2 million dollar guy.

I hope you're right. No idea why we qualified him, were we concerned someone was going to offer him 3.5m AAV?

The decision to qualify Kapanen truly boggles the mind, especially in the context of the Heinen and Kappo deals that were just signed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The correct option with Kapanen would have been to not qualify him and let him test UFA, and then get him signed back here on a UFA deal instead of a RFA deal. You likely could have gotten Kapanen for about $2.5 million had you done that, which is what Kubalik signed for. You run the risk of losing him to a higher bidder, but you likely would have saved around $700k AAV by going that route.

But I don't think the Heinen contract has any particularly relevance here. Heinen allegedly took less to come back here, and I don't think it's farfetched to suggest that he and Hextall have something else lined up for next off-season already. Heinen and Kapanen are probably worth about $2.5 million in the current market, so to have both of them at $4.2 million combined is solid value.

Reality is likely in the middle.

Kapanen is a bit overpaid while Heinen is a lot underpaid is probably the correct take.

 

[dogthateats]

You can’t put a price on swagger

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You can’t put a price on swagger

That dude wandered into the podium after a morning of selling bootleg DVDs in 360p out of the back of his 1999 Ford Explorer at the flea market.

 

[SEALBound]

The correct option with Kapanen would have been to not qualify him and let him test UFA, and then get him signed back here on a UFA deal instead of a RFA deal. You likely could have gotten Kapanen for about $2.5 million had you done that, which is what Kubalik signed for. You run the risk of losing him to a higher bidder, but you likely would have saved around $700k AAV by going that route.

But I don't think the Heinen contract has any particularly relevance here. Heinen allegedly took less to come back here, and I don't think it's farfetched to suggest that he and Hextall have something else lined up for next off-season already. Heinen and Kapanen are probably worth about $2.5 million in the current market, so to have both of them at $4.2 million combined is solid value.



Kapanen is a bit overpaid while Heinen is a lot underpaid is probably the correct take.

That would certainly have been a better route in hindsight.

At the end of the day, the "deal" on Heinen softens the slight overpayment on Kapanen.

$4.2mil for Kapanen and Heinen - $2.1mil each on average is about right for both considering past performances and future potentials.

 

[StaalForOne]

Reality is likely in the middle.

Right, I don't think anyone would complain with either at 2-2.5.

Heinen is criminally underpaid, Kap is slighlty overpaid.

 

[jmelm]

Kakko 2x$2.1 million. This deal just looks worse and worse with every signing.

If you think it looks bad now, just wait until he gets back on the ice in October and starts playing games again

People say "asset management" but he hasn't been traded yet. The more time that passes suggests this is not a sign and trade, and mgmt really believes Kap is a 3.2 million dollar guy.

In fairness, Puljujarvi hasn't been traded yet either. Nor has Ethan Bear, who was rumoured to have asked for a trade after the season. There are a bunch of guys who are on the block/likely to be moved that haven't yet. That's why we need to wait for the fist domino or two to drop and then we're going to see a lot of movement. Don't lose hope!

 

[HandshakeLine]

You can’t put a price on swagger

I wonder what his podcast is called?

 

[Turin]

I wonder what his podcast is called?

Cheeks Klapanen