Confirmed with Link: Kapanen re-signs for 2 years at $3.2 million AAV

[HandshakeLine]

It’s pretty crazy seeing someone think PensX’s schtick is something they too can run with. We play by Highlander rules here.

 

[Pens x]

We aren’t trading Kap, are we?

 

[JRS91]

There might be a chance Kapanen plays on the 2nd line with Rakell and Malkin.

 

[Pens x]

There might be a chance Kapanen plays on the 2nd line with Rakell and Malkin.

Then our off season was garbage.

 

[Zbynek]

Kapanen is f***ing terrible.

 

[McGroarty2]

OUT:
Rodrigues
Heinen
Boyle
Matheson
Marino

IN:
Poehling
Archibald
Petry
Rutta
Smith

I'm sure there will be some type of minor deal to get cap compliant. I can't see them going with a 22-man roster.

 

[Pens x]

OUT:
Rodrigues
Heinen
Boyle
Matheson
Marino

IN:
Poehling
Archibald
Petry
Rutta
Smith

I'm sure there will be some type of minor deal to get cap compliant. I can't see them going with a 22-man roster.

Objectively, do you feel the players coming in our out, collectively, are better?

 

[McGroarty2]

Objectively, do you feel the players coming in our out, collectively, are better?

That's difficult to answer. Rodrigues and Heinen played top 6 mins last year with Crosby, Malkin, Zucker missing so much time. Rakell also wasn't with the team. Poehling is young and could blossom here but not guaranteed. Boyle was great for a PTO. Archibald may replace a little of what Tanev provided the previous year and is cheap.
On defense, they added some size and as a whole it may be better. Dumoulin needs to stay healthy. Joseph needs to develop. Starting the year with a healthy Crosby and Malkin will do wonders for Carter not having to play so many minutes. Rakell will help alleviate any missing offense from Heinen and Rodrigues. Hoping Zucker will get/stay healthy. Kapanen also needs to rebound. Would still like to add some truculence. If they make the playoffs and are receiving elbows to the head, goalies ran and helmets being removed I would hope they can return the favor but it seems as if management is dragging their feet on acquiring truculence.

 

[Pens x]

That's difficult to answer. Rodrigues and Heinen played top 6 mins last year with Crosby, Malkin, Zucker missing so much time. Rakell also wasn't with the team. Poehling is young and could blossom here but not guaranteed. Boyle was great for a PTO. Archibald may replace a little of what Tanev provided the previous year and is cheap.
On defense, they added some size and as a whole it may be better. Dumoulin needs to stay healthy. Joseph needs to develop. Starting the year with a healthy Crosby and Malkin will do wonders for Carter not having to play so many minutes. Rakell will help alleviate any missing offense from Heinen and Rodrigues. Hoping Zucker will get/stay healthy. Kapanen also needs to rebound. Would still like to add some truculence. If they make the playoffs and are receiving elbows to the head, goalies ran and helmets being removed I would hope they can return the favor but it seems as if management is dragging their feet on acquiring truculence.

Yea, it’s kind of crazy how much this franchise hates physical players, but this will be management’s third season.

I think they are brainwashed into falling for our dopey coach and his dog crap system, which has failed over the last 5 seasons. Our coach has far too much influence over this team.

It’s insane that we have fired Sully or tried other types of players.

 

[vikingGoalie]

Umm, that’s where you lost me. And I think everyone else in the world.

If Kapanen made $1M last year and had the season he did and someone asked “what do you think is a reasonable contract for him”, anyone in their right mind would say the same $1M or maybe a raise to $1.25M.

So just because he made $3.2M last year does not mean him not getting a raise means it’s a reasonable contract. In fact, it’s a total shit-garbage contract unless it’s for a team like Chicago who’s desperate to hit the cap floor and can’t attract players without overpayment.

so 3.2M is reasonable considering his draft position, his potential and some of his history prior to this season. He has all the tools but unable to put it together. For the penguins there is no way that 3.2M is worth if he is like last season. If he's like he was in toronto he's worth that for sure. The main thrust of "reasonable" from me is that it's not a hard contract to move. Other teams around the league would be more then willing to take 1.5 seasons at that cap hit to see if they have someone that will click in their top 6.

but yea the level of play from last season not worth it. But if he's at that level this upcoming season he'll be gone long before the trade deadline. (if he's not gone before the season starts)

 

[Zbynek]

I'll try and say something positive. I am pleasantly surprised we retained Rakell. I had a feeling he wouldn't stay. We could have done something incredibly stupid with Eric Rodrigues instead. We paid more or less market value here but I have a good feeling about it.

Objectively, do you feel the players coming in our out, collectively, are better?

I actually think Petry is the best player of all the ones listed.

And one things for sure, the players coming in (Petry, Rutta, Archibald) are more likely to throw a hit than any of the players going out.

 

[jmelm]

so 3.2M is reasonable considering his draft position, his potential and some of his history prior to this season. He has all the tools but unable to put it together. For the penguins there is no way that 3.2M is worth if he is like last season. If he's like he was in toronto he's worth that for sure. The main thrust of "reasonable" from me is that it's not a hard contract to move. Other teams around the league would be more then willing to take 1.5 seasons at that cap hit to see if they have someone that will click in their top 6.

but yea the level of play from last season not worth it. But if he's at that level this upcoming season he'll be gone long before the trade deadline. (if he's not gone before the season starts)

I'm sorry, but I can't buy what you're selling. At all. Respectfully, your post is self-contradictory.

1) His draft position is utterly irrelevant at this point. None. Zero. I don't care if he was a 1st overall pick. He's been in the league long enough that it's no longer a factor.

2) "He has all the tools but unable to put it together. For the penguins there is no way that 3.2M is worth if he is like last season." YES! This is exactly the point. He's not worth it. And assuming he's going to suddenly figure it all out is a really, really stupid bet to take when you're up against the cap ceiling.

3) LOL if you think his money is easy to move. Look at what EDM just had to pay Arizona to take Kassian. And then you're saying if we gave him another chance and he played, say, half of the season here and sucked to the point we needed to "dump" him, he would be even LESS valuable and cost even MORE to trade because he will have proven that his shitty performance is the norm and the chance of him bouncing back far less likely.

4) None of of what you wrote explains the rationale or merit of giving a TWO YEAR deal. If we only want to give him "one more chance", why sign him for two more years? If he sucks and we need to dump him, it will cost WAYYY more because he has that extra year on his deal.

To summarize, unless we signed Kap because the interested team(s) wanted him with more term & cost certainty with him, then we should have let him walk and not taken the risk as I outlined above, and instead spent that extremely valuable cap space on a player we have more confidence can perform, or give one of the young guys like Puustinen/Hallander/Zohorna or other to earn that spot. We're talking about a bottom 6 forward for god's sake, we don't need to pay an underwhelming one $3.2M.

 

[Pens x]

I'll try and say something positive. I am pleasantly surprised we retained Rakell. I had a feeling he wouldn't stay. We could have done something incredibly stupid with Eric Rodrigues instead. We paid more or less market value here but I have a good feeling about it.
I actually think Petry is the best player of all the ones listed.
And one things for sure, the players coming in (Petry, Rutta, Archibald) are more likely to throw a hit than any of the players going out.

I’m told that Archibald will never play. Good old Eric Rodrigues.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah, draft position 7 or 8 years after being drafted is pretty much a non-factor, imo.

 

[Pens x]

Bragging about where someone was drafted so long ago leads you to trying to convince yourself Jankowski had potential to rebound.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Gross

 

[jmelm]

Bragging about where someone was drafted so long ago leads you to trying to convince yourself Jankowski had potential to rebound.

You just inspired an amazing idea! Why not sign Jankowski for 2 years x $3.2M as well? If he sucks ass so bad here that we're desperate to get rid of him, I'm sure that contract won't be hard to move given he was drafted in the first round 100 years ago.

Anyone know if Daigle is still eyeing a comeback? Just think about all that first overall potential....

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, draft position 7 or 8 years after being drafted is pretty much a non-factor, imo.

Excuse me. I was voted "Most Likely To Kind of Succeed" at Junior/Senior prom ("A Knight To RE-member") nearly 20 years ago, and I think you'll agree that a pedigree like that holds its value.

 

[jmelm]

We aren’t trading Kap, are we?

Don't lose hope.

Please don't lose hope.....

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Yea, it’s kind of crazy how much this franchise hates physical players, but this will be management’s third season.

I think they are brainwashed into falling for our dopey coach and his dog crap system, which has failed over the last 5 seasons. Our coach has far too much influence over this team.

It’s insane that we have fired Sully or tried other types of players.

It's kind of crazy that a franchise can be criticized for both hating physical players AND for signing a physical player like Archibald to a $900,000 one year deal.

 

[Pens x]

It's kind of crazy that a franchise can be criticized for both hating physical players AND for signing a physical player like Archibald to a $900,000 one year deal.

I was told he’ll never play though…it’s hard to hit guys from the press box, right?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Excuse me. I was voted "Most Likely To Kind of Succeed" at Junior/Senior prom ("A Knight To RE-member") nearly 20 years ago, and I think you'll agree that a pedigree like that holds its value.

 

[domaug]

PSSSST he is a 3rd liner look around the NHL what 3rd liners get paid

He's not a good hockey player. I don't care what the going rate for other 3rd line forwards is.

 

[Josey Wales]

He's not a good hockey player. I don't care what the going rate for other 3rd line forwards is.

Shorter version "NANANA"

 

[jmelm]

Shorter version "NANANA"

Shortest version: “No”