Kane might be in legal trouble in Buffalo (verifiable sources only, no hearsay)

[hawksrule]

Admittedly, I don't know the minutiae of US criminal law. In Canada, if you are a complainant in a criminal rape case, your name would be kept anonymous. However, if you sue someone as a result of an assault incident your name would not typically be protected (as an aside, I should mention that civil suits are much rarer in Canada than in the US b/c damages are far less).

I believe it depends on the state, as well as the age of the accuser.

But in general, everything gets out. Kobe's accuser's name was the world's worst kept secret. Whether or not the accuser's name is released in an official capacity, Kane's lawyers will make her life hell if it goes to trial.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

Kane and his family are the most embarrassed as he is front and center of the accusations. He will be questioned by organization, fans, friends, family, media, and sponsors regardless if he is innocent or guilty. Just an embarrassing situation all around regardless of the outcome. No surprise Kane is canceling his public appearances this week in Buffalo area.

I thought this was obvious too. Being accused rape is terrible especially when we're so poorly educated on what it entails.

I'm also puzzled about rape shied law in the Untied States. In most developed nations, rape victim names are not revealed even in civil cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_shield_law#United_States

 

[hawksrule]

You're kidding me right?

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sou...ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=Mark+Twain+mob+mentality+

That's what I see here.

This is the passage. Twain lambasts the mob mentality, but does not refer to it as a universal trait. But I'll leave you to your own interpretation:

The pitifulest thing out is a mob; that's what an army is--a mob; they don't fight with courage that's born in them, but with courage that's borrowed from their mass, and from their officers. But a mob without any man at the head of it, is beneath pitifulness.

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It seemed to have taken place in an entertainment establishment. It wouldn't be surprising if both weren't somewhat intoxicated. Rape cases usually aren't that clear cut.

Moreover, there's no evidence that he "forced" himself and violently raped her. Besides, those kind of "classic" cases that used to be directed at say, black men, would be difficult to keep tight-lipped nowadays.

My ?? referred to your diction. Parsimonious was a curious word choice.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...ls-lynching-rape-suspect-150307122736780.html

There has been cases in the Middle East or elsewhere. It's not typical to see opposing communities lynch one other due to some rape allegation. Is that the kind of world we want?

I thought you were referring to the US.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I don't see anyone calling Kane innocent or guilty on here. The investigation is underway.

Am I some kind of crazy man to be embarrassed that my favorite player on my favorite team is being investigated for rape?

You shouldn't feel that way, Kane is the idiot who allegedly did this crime to that women, he is the one who should feel shame and should be punished accordingly for be a massive dirtball. He has let down the good fans of Chicago

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Having been at some of the festivities back in the day where almost everyone was mentally "impaired" to some degree, it is indeed quite possible that Kane has never met this woman.

It is also possible that one or more of Kane's entourage offered the woman "access" to NHL Superstar Patrick Kane.

In exchange for "future access" the entourage member(s) exacted a price from the woman and she resisted or later felt as if she'd been duped.

Voila. P. Kane involved peripherally, his house being the location of the incident etc.

 

[hawksrule]

Having been at some of the festivities back in the day where almost everyone was mentally "impaired" to some degree, it is indeed quite possible that Kane has never met this woman.

It is also possible that one or more of Kane's entourage offered the woman "access" to NHL Superstar Patrick Kane.

In exchange for "future access" the entourage member(s) exacted a price from the woman and she resisted or later felt as if she'd been duped.

Voila. P. Kane involved peripherally, his house being the location of the incident etc.

We're guessing likely scenarios, or scenarios which merely exist in the realm of possibility?

 

[bdub24]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for all we know Kane has never even met the accuser.

Yes...YES! Not speculative at all. Try this one on for size....for all we know, Patrick Kane wasn't even in Buffalo last weekend. Am I right? I mean, who SAW him at his home when the detectives were there snapping photos and milling around and what not? I mean, hell, for all we know, it could be one of those detectives just lost his keys in Kane's shrubbery from the last time Kaner had the department over for a barbecue. Let's go further, even if Kane was in town, for all we know, Kane was never at that bar?

So it's gone from questioning the complainants motives, to questioning consensus to intercourse, to inserting the narrative that this is about Kane's property, and now to the twilight zone of Kane was not in the same reality as this person.

I will say this, some of you guys should be getting a check from HFBoards because your nonsense is upping the page views and generating mad ad revenue. Keep up the great work!

 

[Easton Modano Curve]

Yes...YES! Not speculative at all. Try this one on for size....for all we know, Patrick Kane wasn't even in Buffalo last weekend. Am I right? I mean, who SAW him at his home when the detectives were there snapping photos and milling around and what not? I mean, hell, for all we know, it could be one of those detectives just lost his keys in Kane's shrubbery from the last time Kaner had the department over for a barbecue. Let's go further, even if Kane was in town, for all we know, Kane was never at that bar?

According to Facebook Kane was in Buffalo. Unless the photo of him at the bar was part of some setup. The facts will come soon enough.

On Monday, Kane was pictured on the Facebook page for SkyBar, a club in downtown Buffalo, with the bar’s owner, Mark Croce, and Joel Feroleto, a Buffalo city councilman.

“Patrick Kane stopped by SkyBar past wknd!” the Facebook post read. “Mark told him to bring the Stanley Cup back with him this upcoming Saturday.” The post continued, “We think we convinced him.”

The post has since been deleted. A man who answered the phone Friday afternoon at SkyBar and identified himself as the manager said, “I can’t confirm or deny that,” when asked if the private party was expected to include the Stanley Cup.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/s...layer-facing-criminal-investigation.html?_r=0

 

[Marotte Marauder]

We're guessing likely scenarios, or scenarios which merely exist in the realm of possibility?

Since I've actually seen the described scenario in the past it makes it somewhat likely, moving it from just the realm of possibility.

 

[Quiddity]

Originally Posted by Quiddity
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for all we know Kane has never even met the accuser.

Yes...YES! Not speculative at all. Try this one on for size....for all we know, Patrick Kane wasn't even in Buffalo last weekend. Am I right? I mean, who SAW him at his home when the detectives were there snapping photos and milling around and what not? I mean, hell, for all we know, it could be one of those detectives just lost his keys in Kane's shrubbery from the last time Kaner had the department over for a barbecue. Let's go further, even if Kane was in town, for all we know, Kane was never at that bar?

Point being, we don't know anything. Feel free to continue with the fan fiction, however.

So it's gone from questioning the complainants motives, to questioning consensus to intercourse, to inserting the narrative that this is about Kane's property, and now to the twilight zone of Kane was not in the same reality as this person.

Yes, the time for asking questions has clearly passed...

I will say this, some of you guys should be getting a check from HFBoards because your nonsense is upping the page views and generating mad ad revenue. Keep up the great work!

Touché?

 

[Easton Modano Curve]

Point being, we don't know anything. Feel free to continue with the fan fiction, however.

Yes, the time for asking questions has clearly passed...

Touché?

1. No one is claiming Kane is innocent or guilty.
2. Patrick Kane and the Blackhawks are clearly embarrassed regardless of the outcome of this case.

I'm not sure what you are arguing at this point. That those involved shouldn't be embarrassed because it's only alleged rape?

 

[Quiddity]

I'm not sure what you are arguing at this point. That those involved shouldn't be embarrassed because it's only alleged rape?

Like I said, it's the accusation that's embarrassing.

Yes, it's a major embarrassment for the organisation and the fans. Kane's involvement in said embarrassment has yet to be determined...

The embarrassment, at this point, stems only from an accusation. Since we don't know the validity of the accusation, how do we assess the extent to which Kane "embarrassed and compromised his employer"?

Likewise, I'm not sure what you are arguing. I've repeatedly referred to it as an embarrassment.

 

[Easton Modano Curve]

Likewise, I'm not sure what you are arguing. I've repeatedly referred to it as an embarrassment.

I guess you don't remember me. I'm the guy who first responded to you about why Kane situation was embarrassing.

Your first post on page 27 seemed to question the Trib article that stated the Kane situation was an embarrassment. When I stated why it's an embarrassment the ONLY thing you responded was, "Correct me if I'm wrong, but for all we know Kane has never even met the accuser."

I'm glad you agree with everyone now who clearly sees this as an embarrassing situation. You seem to be obsessed with the fact Kane isnt accused. Obviously! That doesn't take away from embarrassment.

 

[Neo1978]

Do you honestly believe there's a legitimate chance that Kane has never met this woman and is just sitting on that fact due to council's advice?

Has there been more information given out in this case? As far as I know, we haven't been told who was at the house at the time of the incident. Or even what time the incident took place. We don't know if there was a party going on. If there were multiple men and women there.

We also don't know what the accusation actually entails. Is this a rape accusation or some lesser sexual assault accusation. And to pre-answer peoples questions, Laymen call it a rape kit, the police do not. It is a sexual assault tool used to gather forensic evidence for varying degrees of assault.

People were told not to speculate and then people have gone off and done exactly that. Somehow this was between only two people and it was a rape accusation. Who has said that? Certainly not the police.

And as for Kane, you guys are making some huge assumptions. You are assuming Kane knows at what time the incident took place. If there were multiple people at his home at the time, he might not even know at this point which female is even making the complaint. Or what level of complaint she is even making. Or against whom.

Even if there are only two people involved the police still won't tell Kane at this point what level of complaint is being made. Or what they think he did wrong. They are just investigating. So these arguments that Kane would do this or that if he was innocent or didn't think he was involved are just silly. Especially, since an innocent person is still mostly in the dark about exactly what is even going on.

 

[Quiddity]

I guess you don't remember me. I'm the guy whom first responded to you when you about why Kane situation was embarrassing.

Your first post on page 27 seemed to question the Trib article that stated the Kane situation was an embarrassment. When I stared why it's an embarrassment the ONLY thing you responded was, "Correct me if I'm wrong, but for all we know Kane has never even met the accuser."

I'm glad you agree with everyone now who clearly sees this as an embarrassing situation. You seem to be obsessed with the fact Kane is only accused. Obviously! That doesn't take away from embarrassment.

The article insinuated that Kane is responsible for the embarrassment. A lack of evidence, at this point, suggests that this is an unsubstantiated claim. It's sloppy journalism, and if the author were to arrive at a similar conclusion about the accuser, perhaps then, people would understand the gravity of perpetuating reckless presumptions.

 

[chicagoskycam]

You guys are making some giant leaps here. Kane is guilty of bringing negative publicity on himself and the organization multiple times over the years. That's a fact. Whether he is guilty of a felony or not this time, things need to change moving forward.

 

[Hawks4life]

wonder how long it will be before new information is given. speculation is running show here.

 

[Crow]

Probably a few weeks from what ive read about rape kits. It also depends on credibility though.

 

[scarchelli]

If it was serious why would one of the nhls most entertaining players have his cup day today? It is most definitely nothing, or at most [mod]

 

[Marina]

wonder how long it will be before new information is given. speculation is running show here.

It's the courts. This will likely drag.

 

[Nate070]

If it was serious why would one of the nhls most entertaining players have his cup day today? It is most definitely nothing, or at most [mod]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...on-Stanley-Cup-Day-in-Buffalo--321129951.html

Public events cancelled

 

[scarchelli]

Yea exactly. He cancelled public stuff to avoid questions. Still has his private stuff. Still his cup day. Therefore, it can't be serious.

 

[SAADfather]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/08/07/baffoe-patrick-kane-is-not-your-friend/

This is a good read

I wouldn't call that a good read. To me that read like someone who had a personal vendetta with Kane before this happened and was just licking his chops at the allegations. I will admit, when he compared this to Rose wearing the "I cant breathe" shirt, I did get a good chuckle. What a clown.

And lol come on in the beginning it says "And you need to stop with the garbage default setting of rushing to defend him. Even under the guise of “innocent until proven guilty.†Then he goes on to explain that statement by saying basically because in history these cases havent looked good for other professional athletes, we should all just go ahead and assume Kane is guilty and blindly believe this unknown girl with not very many facts available. Fantastic journalism.

[mod] I never played junior or professional hockey, but after reading the Rich Clune article and all the comments from other players after it's release, it seems that in a lot of places alcohol is a part of the culture of hockey. Then you look at all the success he's had over the years. When you win the cup, it's a nonstop party. You drink out of it, you take it to bars. You're famous, people are buying you drinks, not that you're paying for them in the first place.

For someone like Kane, he might feel he has to live up to his party boy reputation. I'm no expert, but I think rehab fails a lot because people go in thinking, "If I don't drink for a month, I'll be okay." I've been around enough alcoholics to know that that is rarely the case. It's something mental. They need a wake up call that makes them realize that they have these self-destructive traits that they need to lose. Guilty or not, hopefully this serves as that for Kane.

Sorry, for the little rant. I've seen far too many promising careers and lives ruined by alcoholism.

I played a few years of junior away from home, and yeah booze was a pretty common theme for every team I played with. One team I was on, we were drinking (HEAVILY) 4-5 nights a week. When I had a breif stint in Canada, it was even worse...

Your second paragraph is right to an extent I think. I don't think Kane is an alcoholic. I've seen my fair share of alcoholic's, he just doesnt fit the description. So to be fair AA, isn't going to do a damn thing for him. He just cant always handle his liquor so well and sometimes exhibits aggressive behavior. He's past the point where he's a kid and its cute. If this doesn't wake him the hell up, and get him to ease off the booze, nothing will.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Rape Kits for Dummies is the newest best selling book in Chicago.

 

[AlphaLackey]

My guess is that most people are comfortable with statutory rape laws applied equally to both sexes. I'm not clear how this relates to Kane?

Because the issue was brought up with regards to the possibility that both parties were equally intoxicated, and that in such situations, many people have a sexist bias that says that if both parties are at an equal level of intoxication, and both ostensibly consent to sex but cannot legally do so due to their intoxication, only the woman is a rape victim and only the man is a rapist. See which, the "Jake was drunk, Josie was drunk" PSA poster that made the rounds at Coastal Carolina University years ago.

This is very much a non-edge-case in the partying lifestyle that Kane is involved in.

I guess I need to clarify for you that the above is also an example of statutory rape, and that the relevance is to show that we as a society have barely progressed from sexist double standards on statutory rape by age, and therefore this shows he haven't progressed far from sexist double standards on statutory rape by intoxication.